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Post by Sternumman on Jun 25, 2014 18:34:25 GMT -5
I think they all opt out. Three years 40 mil doesn't make sense for him. Adding one more year for the same $$ as his two years remaining. I think he resigns for 4 years for about 52 mil. Gives them more cap space and security for him. Do you realistically think Wade has four more years left in him and would he function as number 2/3 option? I know the Heat have to take care of him because he is a legend (and a face of the franchise) but if he's still playing 2/3 or 3/4th of a season and doesn't expand upon his game I think Lebron has better options. That is unless the Heat work some magic (which they probably will) and revitalize the bench/add another key contributor. grantland.com/the-triangle/the-power-of-lebron-and-the-pressure-on-miami-2/"There’s one superstar in Miami, and two guys who are overpaid and getting older." Really looking forward to see how Wade responds from this Finals. He is taking a lot heat and how he responds with his play and with his contract will be huge for the heat going forward. I'm not sure if he has four years left in him but the Heat will take care of him and I dont see them giving him less than that. The funny thing about his bad finals was just a week before everyone was talking about how good of an ECF he had. he shot .545 .462 from 3 4.3 reb 4.7 ass 1.7 steals and 19.8 pts per game. Rumor is they are trying to move up and get Napier. Which would allow them to unload Cole and still give them cap space to get some free agents. But I really have no clue.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 26, 2014 19:25:13 GMT -5
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Jun 26, 2014 22:21:45 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Jun 26, 2014 22:21:45 GMT -5
Simmons ain't the best on air but I love his columns and his podcasts are decent.
Hood, Hairston, Napier and Anderson are going to be steals. With the Heat bring in Napier it looks like Mario is on his way out. Wiggins is a good fit for the Cavs they need a nice wing stopper and Wiggins should be able to address that need from the get go.
Parker will get his chance to morph into a star with the Bucks.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:58:45 GMT -5
Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jun 26, 2014 22:58:45 GMT -5
Good to see Exum drafted by the Utah Jazz rather than Cleveland (as was rumoured), at least there's room to develop there rather than be under LeBron coming back rumour clouds.
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Jun 27, 2014 7:49:03 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 27, 2014 7:49:03 GMT -5
Simmons ain't the best on air but I love his columns and his podcasts are decent. Hood, Hairston, Napier and Anderson are going to be steals. With the Heat bring in Napier it looks like Mario is on his way out. Wiggins is a good fit for the Cavs they need a nice wing stopper and Wiggins should be able to address that need from the get go. Parker will get his chance to morph into a star with the Bucks. Supposedly Parker wanted to be drafted by the Bucks because its close to Chocago but that is an awful franchise. If the Heat can still get Kyle Lowry they would have improved their guards incredibly Besides Simmons crying about the Heat the NBA drafting Isaiah Austin from Baylor was the best moment of the night.
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Jun 27, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -5
Post by Cast on Jun 27, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -5
Simmons ain't the best on air but I love his columns and his podcasts are decent. Hood, Hairston, Napier and Anderson are going to be steals. With the Heat bring in Napier it looks like Mario is on his way out. Wiggins is a good fit for the Cavs they need a nice wing stopper and Wiggins should be able to address that need from the get go. Parker will get his chance to morph into a star with the Bucks. Supposedly Parker wanted to be drafted by the Bucks because its close to Chocago but that is an awful franchise. If the Heat can still get Kyle Lowry they would have improved their guards incredibly Besides Simmons crying about the Heat the NBA drafting Isaiah Austin from Baylor was the best moment of the night. I doubt Parker will stay long time but Bucks give him a chance to do what he does best and that is score. They can become a decent defensive team over these next couple year and Chicago is close by. A good situation for him. Not sure what to expect from Napier. He was a superb college player who as a storybook like narrative to his career thus far but I'm not sure he is a starter on a contending team. He is a determined winner though and he'll be a great teammate and addition for any team. As a NC native It would've been great to see Napier and Kemba play next to each other with the Hornets but I'm happy with the PJ Hairston pick. Dude is the latest headcase coming out of UNC (kinda reminds me of a better McCants) but he can shoot it and his body is perfect for the NBA. Nice pick up for them if he can get his shit together.
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Jun 28, 2014 10:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 28, 2014 10:52:45 GMT -5
Supposedly Parker wanted to be drafted by the Bucks because its close to Chocago but that is an awful franchise. If the Heat can still get Kyle Lowry they would have improved their guards incredibly Besides Simmons crying about the Heat the NBA drafting Isaiah Austin from Baylor was the best moment of the night. I doubt Parker will stay long time but Bucks give him a chance to do what he does best and that is score. They can become a decent defensive team over these next couple year and Chicago is close by. A good situation for him. Not sure what to expect from Napier. He was a superb college player who as a storybook like narrative to his career thus far but I'm not sure he is a starter on a contending team. He is a determined winner though and he'll be a great teammate and addition for any team. As a NC native It would've been great to see Napier and Kemba play next to each other with the Hornets but I'm happy with the PJ Hairston pick. Dude is the latest headcase coming out of UNC (kinda reminds me of a better McCants) but he can shoot it and his body is perfect for the NBA. Nice pick up for them if he can get his shit together. He'll be there around seven years. His second contract he'll be a restricted free agent and if hr's a star there is no way the Bucks dont match any offer. I dont watch college basketball so I have no idea what any of these kids will be as pros. Only saw highlights of Napier from the championship game. UD opted out of his contract to free up more cap space for Riley. Haslem is one of the most unselfish people I've ever seen in sports. He's left so much money on the table to stay with the Heat it's unfathomable. He's never been the best player on any team he's played on but there is a reason he is the co-captain. One day that #40 will be hung in the rafters. Fans of other teams won't understand but UD is Miami. Wade and Bosh will opt out by Sunday night.
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Jun 28, 2014 15:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by Sternumman on Jun 28, 2014 15:14:21 GMT -5
I doubt Parker will stay long time but Bucks give him a chance to do what he does best and that is score. They can become a decent defensive team over these next couple year and Chicago is close by. A good situation for him. Not sure what to expect from Napier. He was a superb college player who as a storybook like narrative to his career thus far but I'm not sure he is a starter on a contending team. He is a determined winner though and he'll be a great teammate and addition for any team. As a NC native It would've been great to see Napier and Kemba play next to each other with the Hornets but I'm happy with the PJ Hairston pick. Dude is the latest headcase coming out of UNC (kinda reminds me of a better McCants) but he can shoot it and his body is perfect for the NBA. Nice pick up for them if he can get his shit together. He'll be there around seven years. His second contract he'll be a restricted free agent and if hr's a star there is no way the Bucks dont match any offer. I dont watch college basketball so I have no idea what any of these kids will be as pros. Only saw highlights of Napier from the championship game. UD opted out of his contract to free up more cap space for Riley. Haslem is one of the most unselfish people I've ever seen in sports. He's left so much money on the table to stay with the Heat it's unfathomable. He's never been the best player on any team he's played on but there is a reason he is the co-captain. One day that #40 will be hung in the rafters. Fans of other teams won't understand but UD is Miami. Wade and Bosh will opt out by Sunday night. Make that Saturday afternoon. No way they both opted out if they thought LeBron was leaving.
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Jun 28, 2014 15:49:10 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 28, 2014 15:49:10 GMT -5
He'll be there around seven years. His second contract he'll be a restricted free agent and if hr's a star there is no way the Bucks dont match any offer. I dont watch college basketball so I have no idea what any of these kids will be as pros. Only saw highlights of Napier from the championship game. UD opted out of his contract to free up more cap space for Riley. Haslem is one of the most unselfish people I've ever seen in sports. He's left so much money on the table to stay with the Heat it's unfathomable. He's never been the best player on any team he's played on but there is a reason he is the co-captain. One day that #40 will be hung in the rafters. Fans of other teams won't understand but UD is Miami. Wade and Bosh will opt out by Sunday night. Make that Saturday afternoon. No way they both opted out if they thought LeBron was leaving. Bosh would. Wade maybe. Wade is the one who wis really stuck in the middle. If LeBron is leaving then he probably wouldn't opt-out, but does he want to be the only person who doesn't opt-out if LeBron and Bosh leaves? Probably not. Even if he doesn't plan on leaving. He knows he has to take a pay-cut no matter what to save face. Even for all he has done for the Heat, he'd be public enemy number one if LeBron and Bosh left and he didn't even attempt to restructure his contract. I don't think Wade will leave because no one will give him the contract that the Heat could anyways, but I don't think him opting out says anything about LeBron. But I could definitely see Bosh opting out with the attempt of actually looking around at his options. While I think the chances of him leaving is minimal, I do think there is a chance he will definitely search his options. Bosh is the actual wildcard in all of this, more so than Lebron. He is still healthy and in his prime and could command top dollar with other contenders. Him opting out is certainly not a fait accompli. In the end, I think they'll sign back at lower deals to get bench help, but I don't think it's a sure thing. If the last time these three guys were free agents teaches anybody anything, including the Heat, it's that nothing is a sure thing.
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Jun 28, 2014 17:17:10 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 28, 2014 17:17:10 GMT -5
Make that Saturday afternoon. No way they both opted out if they thought LeBron was leaving. Bosh would.Wade maybe. Wade is the one who wis really stuck in the middle. If LeBron is leaving then he probably wouldn't opt-out, but does he want to be the only person who doesn't opt-out if LeBron and Bosh leaves? Probably not. Even if he doesn't plan on leaving. He knows he has to take a pay-cut no matter what to save face. Even for all he has done for the Heat, he'd be public enemy number one if LeBron and Bosh left and he didn't even attempt to restructure his contract. From one month ago LeBron, Wade, and UD already officially opted out. espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11149842/dwyane-wade-tells-miami-heat-test-free-agencyBosh (who has the same agent as Wade & UD) will later today or tomorrow officially to make it look less suspicious then doing at the same exact time as Wade. This notion that Wade has to take a pay cut regardless to save face is ridiculous. He was entitled to that $ it was the contract the team agreed to pay him. Is he worth $40m over the next two years? Sadly no but that doesnt mean he's required to take less money now. But he's not selfish like Kobe and the four of them are going to take less $ to stay with the Heat and have the cap space flexibility to help the roster.
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Jun 28, 2014 17:26:33 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 28, 2014 17:26:33 GMT -5
on SportsCenter, the idea of Pau Gasol going to Miami was mentioned - that would be a great pick up, he's Chris Bosh but better. fuck, let Chris Bosh leave if that happens.
God bless.
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Jun 28, 2014 17:29:43 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 28, 2014 17:29:43 GMT -5
Bosh would.Wade maybe. Wade is the one who wis really stuck in the middle. If LeBron is leaving then he probably wouldn't opt-out, but does he want to be the only person who doesn't opt-out if LeBron and Bosh leaves? Probably not. Even if he doesn't plan on leaving. He knows he has to take a pay-cut no matter what to save face. Even for all he has done for the Heat, he'd be public enemy number one if LeBron and Bosh left and he didn't even attempt to restructure his contract. From one month ago LeBron, Wade, and UD already officially opted out. espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11149842/dwyane-wade-tells-miami-heat-test-free-agencyBosh (who has the same agent as Wade & UD) will later today or tomorrow officially to make it look less suspicious then doing at the same exact time as Wade. This notion that Wade has to take a pay cut regardless to save face is ridiculous. He was entitled to that $ it was the contract the team agreed to pay him. Is he worth $40m over the next two years? Sadly no but that doesnt mean he's required to take less money now. But he's not selfish like Kobe and the four of them are going to take less $ to stay with the Heat and have the cap space flexibility to help the roster. 1.) A month ago no one was talking about all three of these guys needing to opt-out. A month ago no one was even talking about Wade taking a pay cut, so so much for a month. 2.) "Suspicion" being the reason Bosh hasn't officially opted out just seems flimsy to me, even if it is true. 3.) Yes, I believe Wade had to take a pay-cut. If he wanted to win, if he wanted to be a team player, if he wanted to remain the face of the organization as a guy willing to do the right thing, he had to take a pay-cut. To me, he didn't have much of a choice. It was either take a pay-cut to win or sit on his money, watch the team fall apart, and accept most of the blame, which would have been given to him, especially if his regression as a star player continued. Could Wade really escape blame if he's 34 years old, still collecting his near max contract, playing less than 60 games, with barely a team to speak of because of his salary? I don't think so. Championships buy you a lot, it doesn't buy that. He had to opt-out no matter what. Wade didn't have much choice in the matter. Because in the end, what would have been the alternative for him?
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Jun 28, 2014 17:39:02 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 28, 2014 17:39:02 GMT -5
on SportsCenter, the idea of Pau Gasol going to Miami was mentioned - that would be a great pick up, he's Chris Bosh but better. fuck, let Chris Bosh leave if that happens. God bless. Eh, no. Gasol was horrid on his team Defense. I'm still not convinced that all of his troubles had to do with him being on the Lakers. He could still be a good player, but I don't think he's better than Bosh at this point. Next to LeBron, Bosh is the best asset the Heat have. Bosh has barely shown any regression physically and only shown it stat wise by being within a big three system. Gasol has had his FG% drop to 480 and his mpg to 31.4. Even with three scorers, Bosh has remained at 16.2 ppg, that's only 1.2 points below Gasol. Mind you, Gasol was on a team where he might as well have been the lead scorer. Gasol would be an improvement in rebounding, but I don't think he's as good offensively as Bosh and he doesn't stretch the floor as much. Also, he's three years older than Bosh.
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Jun 28, 2014 17:45:18 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 28, 2014 17:45:18 GMT -5
From one month ago LeBron, Wade, and UD already officially opted out. espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11149842/dwyane-wade-tells-miami-heat-test-free-agencyBosh (who has the same agent as Wade & UD) will later today or tomorrow officially to make it look less suspicious then doing at the same exact time as Wade. This notion that Wade has to take a pay cut regardless to save face is ridiculous. He was entitled to that $ it was the contract the team agreed to pay him. Is he worth $40m over the next two years? Sadly no but that doesnt mean he's required to take less money now. But he's not selfish like Kobe and the four of them are going to take less $ to stay with the Heat and have the cap space flexibility to help the roster. 1.) A month ago no one was talking about all three of these guys needing to opt-out. A month ago no one was even talking about Wade taking a pay cut, so so much for a month.
2.) "Suspicion" being the reason Bosh hasn't officially opted out just seems flimsy to me, even if it is true. 3.) Yes, I believe Wade had to take a pay-cut. If he wanted to win, if he wanted to be a team player, if he wanted to remain the face of the organization as a guy willing to do the right thing, he had to take a pay-cut. To me, he didn't have much of a choice. It was either take a pay-cut to win or sit on his money, watch the team fall apart, and accept most of the blame, which would have been given to him, especially if his regression as a star player continued. Could Wade really escape blame if he's 34 years old, still collecting his near max contract, playing less than 60 games, with barely a team to speak of because of his salary? I don't think so. Championships buy you a lot, it doesn't buy that. He had to opt-out no matter what. Wade didn't have much choice in the matter. Because in the end, what would have been the alternative for him? A month ago? This has been speculated for a long time. From last year. www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/8/19/4636368/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-nba-free-agency-2014
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Jun 28, 2014 17:45:24 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 28, 2014 17:45:24 GMT -5
on SportsCenter, the idea of Pau Gasol going to Miami was mentioned - that would be a great pick up, he's Chris Bosh but better. fuck, let Chris Bosh leave if that happens. God bless. Eh, no. Gasol was horrid on his team Defense. I'm still not convinced that all of his troubles had to do with him being on the Lakers. He could still be a good player, but I don't think he's better than Bosh at this point. Next to LeBron, Bosh is the best asset the Heat have. Bosh has barely shown any regression physically and only shown it stat wise by being within a big three system. Gasol has had his FG% drop to 480 and his mpg to 31.4. Even with three scorers, Bosh has remained at 16.2 ppg, that's only 1.2 points below Gasol. Mind you, Gasol was on a team where he might as well have been the lead scorer. Gasol would be an improvement in rebounding, but I don't think he's as good offensively as Bosh and he doesn't stretch the floor as much. Also, he's three years older than Bosh. i'd rather have Gasol. not a big fan of Chris Bosh's game, he basically just shoots jump shots, fuck that. God bless.
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Jun 28, 2014 17:54:22 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 28, 2014 17:54:22 GMT -5
But was anyone demanding that they opt-out? No. If they had won the championship this season, there would not have been the fervent need to opt-out. One could make the case that they could have played out their contracts if they hadn't loss this series. It was only after LeBron demanded whole-sale change, that the idea of them opting out became more than just a theory. In the article you posted, is there a demand for them to opt-out to take less money? No. Was there a demand for them to do so a month prior? No. As I said, no one was talking about these guys NEEDING to opt-out. Once again, how much difference a month makes.
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Post by spaneli on Jun 28, 2014 17:59:29 GMT -5
Eh, no. Gasol was horrid on his team Defense. I'm still not convinced that all of his troubles had to do with him being on the Lakers. He could still be a good player, but I don't think he's better than Bosh at this point. Next to LeBron, Bosh is the best asset the Heat have. Bosh has barely shown any regression physically and only shown it stat wise by being within a big three system. Gasol has had his FG% drop to 480 and his mpg to 31.4. Even with three scorers, Bosh has remained at 16.2 ppg, that's only 1.2 points below Gasol. Mind you, Gasol was on a team where he might as well have been the lead scorer. Gasol would be an improvement in rebounding, but I don't think he's as good offensively as Bosh and he doesn't stretch the floor as much. Also, he's three years older than Bosh. i'd rather have Gasol. not a big fan of Chris Bosh's game, he basically just shoots jump shots, fuck that. God bless. I could see that. Sometimes I think Bosh needs to go in the post more. He shoots far too much. But I'd still rather have him over Gasol.
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Jun 28, 2014 18:30:55 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 28, 2014 18:30:55 GMT -5
But was anyone demanding that they opt-out? No. If they had won the championship this season, there would not have been the fervent need to opt-out. One could make the case that they could have played out their contracts if they hadn't loss this series. It was only after LeBron demanded whole-sale change, that the idea of them opting out became more than just a theory. In the article you posted, is there a demand for them to opt-out to take less money? No. Was there a demand for them to do so a month prior? No. As I said, no one was talking about these guys NEEDING to opt-out. Once again, how much difference a month makes. Obviously I'm not an NBA insider but I live in the market and have been following the team for a long time. There has been talk about them opting out and restructuring for well over a year. Nobody was demanding them to opt out but anyone who follows this team would know they would need more cap space to make moves in the future. They were going to make changes anyway. The only player under contract for next year is Norris Cole. They havent had the flexibility in the previous year to add quality players. Will Riley do almost everything in his powers to keep LeBron here? Absolutely but to think they were just gonna sit by this offseason and make no adjustments to their roster is shortsighted.
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Jun 28, 2014 19:04:01 GMT -5
Post by spaneli on Jun 28, 2014 19:04:01 GMT -5
But was anyone demanding that they opt-out? No. If they had won the championship this season, there would not have been the fervent need to opt-out. One could make the case that they could have played out their contracts if they hadn't loss this series. It was only after LeBron demanded whole-sale change, that the idea of them opting out became more than just a theory. In the article you posted, is there a demand for them to opt-out to take less money? No. Was there a demand for them to do so a month prior? No. As I said, no one was talking about these guys NEEDING to opt-out. Once again, how much difference a month makes. Obviously I'm not an NBA insider but I live in the market and have been following the team for a long time. There has been talk about them opting out and restructuring for well over a year. Nobody was demanding them to opt out but anyone who follows this team would know they would need more cap space to make moves in the future. They were going to make changes anyway. The only player under contract for next year is Norris Cole. They havent had the flexibility in the previous year to add quality players. Will Riley do almost everything in his powers to keep LeBron here? Absolutely but to think they were just gonna sit by this offseason and make no adjustments to their roster is shortsighted.There's a difference between flexibility and demanding to upgrade at every position, as LeBron did. As I said, no one was demanding it. And there was a chance that with everyone coming off contract, except Norris Cole, that the big 3 could have not opted out, drafted, done what they had been doing the previous years, by getting vets at the minimum and through the mid level exception and been content had they won the championship and not lost in dominating fashion. No matter what you say, all three opting out wasn't near a guarantee and certainly didn't have greater than 50/50 odds of happening prior to these finals. There wasn't even remotely a true fever, which is different from talk, of the three opting out prior to them losing the championship, and Lebron was the only one demanding whole sale change, as in an upgrade at every position, and even that came because of the finals lost. Would they have stood pat? No. NO ONE has said that in this thread. But would everyone have had a meltdown big enough for the big three to feel they absolutely needed to opt out in order to re-tool had they not lost in the finals? Would Pat Riley needed to have had that press conference? I don't think so. As I said, I think if they had won, there was a very good chance that they might not have felt like they needed to opt-out. And even with you living in Miami and following the team, you couldn't have said the same either way with certainty before the finals loss. No matter what, A LOT changed in a month. It put the big three on a course where they HAD to opt-out. Not talk of opt-out, not maybe opt-out, but HAD to opt-out. That's a course they had not been on prior to a month ago. At least not with any certainty. I don't think anyone could dispute that whether they live in Miami or Chicago or New York. That finals changed a lot. So, while I believe Bosh will stay. I won't completely trust a statement he made a month ago that had not taken into account a brutal finals loss. A statement he made when there was a good chance he wasn't going to opt-out. When the only changes that seemed to be needed were those that could be fixed through vet. minimum's, mid-level exceptions, and drafting. When Pat Riley didn't need to hold a post-finals press conference. And when LeBron wasn't asking for upgrades at EVERY position. I don't care what article or statements you find through all of the big three tenure, those things won't be taken into account. Those things happened this past month and they can't be ignored as if the big three opting out was always the plan and this was always going to happen.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 28, 2014 19:35:02 GMT -5
Obviously I'm not an NBA insider but I live in the market and have been following the team for a long time. There has been talk about them opting out and restructuring for well over a year. Nobody was demanding them to opt out but anyone who follows this team would know they would need more cap space to make moves in the future. They were going to make changes anyway. The only player under contract for next year is Norris Cole. They havent had the flexibility in the previous year to add quality players. Will Riley do almost everything in his powers to keep LeBron here? Absolutely but to think they were just gonna sit by this offseason and make no adjustments to their roster is shortsighted.There's a difference between flexibility and demanding to upgrade at every position, as LeBron did. As I said, no one was demanding it. And there was a chance that with everyone coming off contract, except Norris Cole, that the big 3 could have not opted out, drafted, done what they had been doing the previous years, by getting vets at the minimum and through the mid level exception and been content had they won the championship and not lost in dominating fashion. No matter what you say, all three opting out wasn't near a guarantee and certainly didn't have greater than 50/50 odds of happening prior to these finals. There wasn't even remotely a true fever, which is different from talk, of the three opting out prior to them losing the championship, and Lebron was the only one demanding whole sale change, as in an upgrade at every position, and even that came because of the finals lost. Would they have stood pat? No. NO ONE has said that in this thread. But would everyone have had a meltdown big enough for the big three to feel they absolutely needed to opt out in order to re-tool had they not lost in the finals? Would Pat Riley needed to have had that press conference? I don't think so. As I said, I think if they had won, there was a very good chance that they might not have felt like they needed to opt-out. And even with you living in Miami and following the team, you couldn't have said the same either way with certainty before the finals loss. No matter what, A LOT changed in a month. It put the big three on a course where they HAD to opt-out. Not talk of opt-out, not maybe opt-out, but HAD to opt-out. That's a course they had not been on prior to a month ago. At least not with any certainty. I don't think anyone could dispute that whether they live in Miami or Chicago or New York. That finals changed a lot. So, while I believe Bosh will stay. I won't completely trust a statement he made a month ago that had not taken into account a brutal finals loss. A statement he made when there was a good chance he wasn't going to opt-out. When the only changes that seemed to be needed were those that could be fixed through vet. minimum's, mid-level exceptions, and drafting. When Pat Riley didn't need to hold a post-finals press conference.And when LeBron wasn't asking for upgrades at EVERY position. I don't care what article or statements you find through all of the big three tenure, those things won't be taken into account. Those things happened this past month and they can't be ignored as if the big three opting out was always the plan and this was always going to happen. pretty certain all GM's have an end of the year press conference like that but most aren't a big deal and aren't televised live unless it's for the Heatles. --------- my only hope is that the east will be more competitive next season...hopefully Derrick Rose comes back strong, Carmelo goes to Chicago and teams like the Hornets and Wizards should only get better. God bless.
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Jun 29, 2014 6:41:21 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 29, 2014 6:41:21 GMT -5
Obviously I'm not an NBA insider but I live in the market and have been following the team for a long time. There has been talk about them opting out and restructuring for well over a year. Nobody was demanding them to opt out but anyone who follows this team would know they would need more cap space to make moves in the future. They were going to make changes anyway. The only player under contract for next year is Norris Cole. They havent had the flexibility in the previous year to add quality players. Will Riley do almost everything in his powers to keep LeBron here? Absolutely but to think they were just gonna sit by this offseason and make no adjustments to their roster is shortsighted.There's a difference between flexibility and demanding to upgrade at every position, as LeBron did. As I said, no one was demanding it. And there was a chance that with everyone coming off contract, except Norris Cole, that the big 3 could have not opted out, drafted, done what they had been doing the previous years, by getting vets at the minimum and through the mid level exception and been content had they won the championship and not lost in dominating fashion. No matter what you say, all three opting out wasn't near a guarantee and certainly didn't have greater than 50/50 odds of happening prior to these finals. There wasn't even remotely a true fever, which is different from talk, of the three opting out prior to them losing the championship, and Lebron was the only one demanding whole sale change, as in an upgrade at every position, and even that came because of the finals lost. Would they have stood pat? No. NO ONE has said that in this thread. But would everyone have had a meltdown big enough for the big three to feel they absolutely needed to opt out in order to re-tool had they not lost in the finals? Would Pat Riley needed to have had that press conference? I don't think so. As I said, I think if they had won, there was a very good chance that they might not have felt like they needed to opt-out. And even with you living in Miami and following the team, you couldn't have said the same either way with certainty before the finals loss. No matter what, A LOT changed in a month. It put the big three on a course where they HAD to opt-out. Not talk of opt-out, not maybe opt-out, but HAD to opt-out. That's a course they had not been on prior to a month ago. At least not with any certainty. I don't think anyone could dispute that whether they live in Miami or Chicago or New York. That finals changed a lot. So, while I believe Bosh will stay. I won't completely trust a statement he made a month ago that had not taken into account a brutal finals loss. A statement he made when there was a good chance he wasn't going to opt-out. When the only changes that seemed to be needed were those that could be fixed through vet. minimum's, mid-level exceptions, and drafting. When Pat Riley didn't need to hold a post-finals press conference. And when LeBron wasn't asking for upgrades at EVERY position. I don't care what article or statements you find through all of the big three tenure, those things won't be taken into account. Those things happened this past month and they can't be ignored as if the big three opting out was always the plan and this was always going to happen. How'd you come up with those odds? I'm a 100% sure you pulled them out of the air. As Let It🩸 said Riley has a press conference at the end of every season.
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Jun 29, 2014 6:49:03 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 29, 2014 6:49:03 GMT -5
my only hope is that the east will be more competitive next season...hopefully Derrick Rose comes back strong, Carmelo goes to Chicago and teams like the Hornets and Wizards should only get better. God bless. Melo to Chicago would be interested. Not sure if he could keep up with Thibs defense. Might wear him out. If Rose doesn't come back at full strength this year he could be the next Brandon Roy. Jason Kidd to the Bucks? He should know better than to mess with Russian gangsters.
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Jun 29, 2014 9:28:36 GMT -5
Post by Let It🩸 on Jun 29, 2014 9:28:36 GMT -5
my only hope is that the east will be more competitive next season...hopefully Derrick Rose comes back strong, Carmelo goes to Chicago and teams like the Hornets and Wizards should only get better. God bless. Melo to Chicago would be interested. Not sure if he could keep up with Thibs defense. Might wear him out. If Rose doesn't come back at full strength this year he could be the next Brandon Roy. Jason Kidd to the Bucks? He should know better than to mess with Russian gangsters. i'm sure Carmelo will eventually tear apart the Bulls if he does go to Chicago like he does with every team he's on but it'll be entertaining til then. ------ just saw on SportsCenter that in Lebron's 11 year career he's never been the highest paid player on any team he's been on, with the Cavs - Ben Wallace, Shaq and Larry Hughes made more money than him and the last four years in Miami, he and Chris Bosh have been tied with the highest salary. God bless.
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Jun 29, 2014 10:11:12 GMT -5
Post by Sternumman on Jun 29, 2014 10:11:12 GMT -5
Melo to Chicago would be interested. Not sure if he could keep up with Thibs defense. Might wear him out. If Rose doesn't come back at full strength this year he could be the next Brandon Roy. Jason Kidd to the Bucks? He should know better than to mess with Russian gangsters. i'm sure Carmelo will eventually tear apart the Bulls if he does go to Chicago like he does with every team he's on but it'll be entertaining til then. ------ just saw on SportsCenter that in Lebron's 11 year career he's never been the highest paid player on any team he's been on, with the Cavs - Ben Wallace, Shaq and Larry Hughes made more money than him and the last four years in Miami, he and Chris Bosh have been tied with the highest salary. God bless. Does it matter when he made $53m off the court last year, not including the $30m he reportedly netted in the Beats sale to Apple? His net worth is about $250m if he's that concerned about being the highest player on the team give home a few bucks more than Bosh to make him happy.
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