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Post by The Morning Son on Mar 6, 2011 12:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by Bring It On Dan on Mar 6, 2011 12:49:05 GMT -5
Fucking gash.
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Post by oneeye on Mar 6, 2011 12:55:39 GMT -5
I think the band would be happy with that, considering the "in thing" today are those 2 at no's 1 & 2
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Post by Stemot on Mar 6, 2011 12:56:33 GMT -5
Yeah, that's not bad TBH considering those two are the media wank subjects at the minute.
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Post by MacaRonic on Mar 6, 2011 12:57:17 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me anymore. I appreciate people's taste but 75% of the general public have no clue what music is, they are a bunch of lobotomized lambs that are in dire need of an ear waxing session.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 6, 2011 13:03:35 GMT -5
I don't mind it. I don't who the hell Jessie J is, but I do really like Adele. She is a really good artist and deserves to be up there.
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Post by oneeye on Mar 6, 2011 13:07:18 GMT -5
I don't mind it. I don't who the hell Jessie J is, but I do really like Adele. She is a really good artist and deserves to be up there. Jessie J is posh girl who pretends to be all "gansta" and shit. She IS shit |
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Post by The Morning Son on Mar 6, 2011 15:16:29 GMT -5
I'm with you there Spaneli, I have no problem with Adele.
She's got a good voice, a nice sound and writes the majority of the songs on her own so fair play to her.
It just this pop music that is so generic and over produced and has 4 or 5 people writing for one person with a voice....rubbish. Beady Eye are a band of talented musicians and deserve to be near the top of the charts and that goes for all those who write and play themselves.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 6, 2011 17:40:46 GMT -5
I don't mind it. I don't who the hell Jessie J is, but I do really like Adele. She is a really good artist and deserves to be up there. same here, i have no fucking clue who jesse j but Adele... i mean, it's not so much that i like her(music), it's more respect than anything else. Can't hate on a fat girl who can sing, can't really use that as an excuse for her success, can we? |
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Post by songbird11 on Mar 6, 2011 18:11:36 GMT -5
If it had been the 8th oasis album with noel it had definitely have been number 1.the charts are shit.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 6, 2011 18:44:04 GMT -5
If it had been the 8th oasis album with noel it had definitely have been number 1.the charts are shit. But if it WAS the 8th oasis album it would have had some songs by Noel and has he's pretty much always been the best songwriter of the four then yes, it would have sold more but it would hve had more to do with the fact that the album would have been BETTER.  |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Mar 6, 2011 19:02:41 GMT -5
^^ Noel = Best songwriter, shittest tracklisting picker. Still, I still speak of the day I heard The Nature of Reality!
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Post by jamiemilne on Mar 6, 2011 19:07:40 GMT -5
im i the only one who likes the nature of reality lol ?
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Post by themagpie on Mar 6, 2011 19:19:22 GMT -5
your not alone.... im a fan of the nature of reality!!
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Post by deasy on Mar 6, 2011 19:35:14 GMT -5
So am I
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 6, 2011 21:46:20 GMT -5
If it had been the 8th oasis album with noel it had definitely have been number 1.the charts are shit. But if it WAS the 8th oasis album it would have had some songs by Noel and has he's pretty much always been the best songwriter of the four then yes, it would have sold more but it would hve had more to do with the fact that the album would have been BETTER. lol you're just kidding yourself. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 6, 2011 22:51:02 GMT -5
But if it WAS the 8th oasis album it would have had some songs by Noel and has he's pretty much always been the best songwriter of the four then yes, it would have sold more but it would hve had more to do with the fact that the album would have been BETTER. lol you're just kidding yourself. You seriously don't rate Noel even a little bit higher as a songwriter than LAG? Not to say the latter are bad by any stretch... |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Mar 6, 2011 23:33:22 GMT -5
Come on gd, you know it's more complicated than a simple comparison:
1) Noel as songwriter > LAG as songwriters.
2) Noel in Oasis = diminished LAG & bizarre tracklisting decisions.
3) Noel + diminished LAG = 7/10 albums.
4) Freshly motivated LAG - Noel = 7/10 album.
5) Noel on own = unknown.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 6, 2011 23:39:03 GMT -5
^^I think GD was saying that Noel is a better songwriter than anyone in LAG, which it looks like you're not arguing with.
In her post she didn't refer to the album dynamics, just that if lgfaver didn't think that Noel is a better songwriter than anyone in LAG.
I could be wrong though, wasn't my post. But I don't think she was referring to whether BDI would be a better band with Noel. Just that Noel is a better songwriter.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Mar 6, 2011 23:49:01 GMT -5
Noel is in a different songwriting universe to LAG. He's a absolute genius.
But the point specifically was : would Noel's presence have improved DGSS? I argue no - not because he don't bring the songs, but largely because he casts a shadow so long it diminishes the influence of the rest. And added to that, I honestly think Noel's tracklisting choices are appalling.
So - out of his shadow, LAG are free, on the same page, and have produced a really good album where the mode score is about 7. Nothing incredible, but nothing below mediocre.
Later Oasis albums were far more schizophrenic, verring from the absolute classic (Idle, SCYHO) to the frankly throwaway (TNOR, FON). In these cases, it's the median about 7.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 7, 2011 1:01:02 GMT -5
No, the point the I was questioning specifically was "You seriously don't rate Noel high as a songwriter than LAG?" Which is why I specifically asked that. I was specifically asking lgfavre...not just because of this post but many others as well. He is very derogatory towards those that sit leaning on the Noel side of the fence. He's one of those that keeps saying people on the board would love anything Noel put out no matter how dross it is. I am seriously wondering whether he actually rates modern Noel as on par with modern LAG in capability to turn out a tune.
I think that a couple Noel great tunes would have elevated the album. All things being equal. I know that all things aren't equal. You are absolutely correct that the album may not have been overly improved by Noel's input. I don't go in for guessing alternate scenarios for albums...I find it useless. I doubt you will see me in the inevitable "combined DGSS and Noel solo album to create the perfect 8th Oasis album" either.
On a side not re: your point about BDI vs. Oasis in terms of consistency and average scores. I know the 2 types albums end up with an average of the same score. But I personally would rather the second type with the classics that I can thrash over and over and the dross that I can ignore...than the first option where no tune makes me wanna listen over-and-over. Both are lacking the ingredients of a great album...but @ least I can believe the second type of artist has the potential to make that classic album next time...
(disclaimer: I know some people will listen to some tunes over and over on DGSS...it's just I don't)
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 7, 2011 1:40:39 GMT -5
lol you're just kidding yourself. You seriously don't rate Noel even a little bit higher as a songwriter than LAG? Not to say the latter are bad by any stretch... no... u obviously don't get it. what im saying is it's not about the quality of the album at all. the sales don't have shit to do with the quality of the album. if it would've been and OASIS album(just by name), it would've sold loads more. If Noel hadn't left the band, no matter if the album would've been way worse it would have still sold more copies. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Mar 7, 2011 7:58:07 GMT -5
^^I think GD was saying that Noel is a better songwriter than anyone in LAG, which it looks like you're not arguing with. In her post she didn't refer to the album dynamics, just that if lgfaver didn't think that Noel is a better songwriter than anyone in LAG. I could be wrong though, wasn't my post. But I don't think she was referring to whether BDI would be a better band with Noel. Just that Noel is a better songwriter.  Again, yourself and "GD" go hand in hand. Are ye sure ye are not the same person? I think I might start standing up for myself under a different name. By the way, maybe a little off topic but I think Noel is the best songwriter since Lennon/McCartney. A genius when it comes to crafting a song but IMO, if LAG where in charge of tracklisting DOYS we'd of gotten a better album. I hope I'm wrong but I think Noel's notions could be the only thing that could possible destroy his forthcoming debut. Someone needs to start letting Noel know that "Four Letter Word pisses all over a song like The Nature Of Reality" and to "Fuck the flow of an album, it's all about the tunes" |
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Post by wonderplan on Mar 7, 2011 8:52:50 GMT -5
You seriously don't rate Noel even a little bit higher as a songwriter than LAG? Not to say the latter are bad by any stretch... no... u obviously don't get it. what im saying is it's not about the quality of the album at all. the sales don't have shit to do with the quality of the album. if it would've been and OASIS album(just by name), it would've sold loads more. If Noel hadn't left the band, no matter if the album would've been way worse it would have still sold more copies. agreed, when this band gets out there with more exposure things will start taking off. they're testing the waters & so far so good they've met damn good success for a new name on the scene. give it a few months. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 7, 2011 9:40:35 GMT -5
If it had been the 8th oasis album with noel it had definitely have been number 1.the charts are shit. But if it WAS the 8th oasis album it would have had some songs by Noel and has he's pretty much always been the best songwriter of the four then yes, it would have sold more but it would hve had more to do with the fact that the album would have been BETTER. Isn't it more about name recognition rather than quality control? Look at BHN, for example. Had amazing success at selling not due to the quality of the tracks, but rather because of the hype that had formed in previous years, and was thus eventually and subsequently panned. I think if this was an Oasis album with Noel still in the band, but the songs remaining the same, it would have sold more just because of the name attached to it. [For the record, I do think Noel is of course a better song writer than LAG, but that's neither here nor there, as there are other elements to the discussion that have already been discussed] I also think it was a good idea to rename the band. Oasis are Noel and Liam, and always will be. But I digress. Lastly, I don't see how you can compare charts these days. Majority of people download, and I'm sure there's a demographical breakdown that may show older people download illegally more than young kids, which could very well explain - at least partially - the obsession with the likes of Justin Beiber. Could it all just be a grossly exaggerated aberration? |
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Again, yourself and "GD" go hand in hand. Are ye sure ye are not the same person? I think I might start standing up for myself under a different name.
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