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Post by spaneli on Mar 1, 2011 23:39:45 GMT -5
Was just debating this with lgfaver on another thread, but who has more commercial appeal?
What I mean by commercial appeal is, who has the best chance of getting a hit song. (anywhere including the US). Is it BDI or Noel?
When thinking about this, bear in my mind that these things:
1. if all things were equal. meaning small label, small promotion ect
2. appeal meaning, which has a better chance of getting played on the radio
3. note, this is really not about who is the best songwriter, but literally who has the best chance at getting a hit. (but being a good songwriter can be used as a reason, just not the defining reason)
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Post by Ltrain on Mar 1, 2011 23:47:42 GMT -5
I think Noel would have a better chance because his stuff would get played more on the radio. I think they would do this because Noel would get more respect since he wrote all of Oasis' "classic" tunes. At least that is what I think about here in the States anyway.
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Post by manualex on Mar 1, 2011 23:48:27 GMT -5
Noel, since he has something in his writing that appeals the masses(yes BDI has it too but not in the same degree/level), but BDI has the most familiar voice so they could do something for their second album.
Only good thing for us oasis fans is that we'll got twice of music, but it wont be the same. In the UK and Europe Noel has the most opportunity of having a hit since he is well known there but for the rest of the world, I will quote the man "I dont know".
Since the man hasnt even put something out and there are a lot of theories about him working with so much people it could be a mess or the other way arround, he could hit various parts of the mainstream while staying relyable.
I voted for noel, but honestly i would rly like if they both success.
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Post by worldsoutro on Mar 1, 2011 23:51:15 GMT -5
Noels voice would appeal to more people. People seem to call Liam's too nasally.
Anyway after listening to DGSS, it'll appeal to more of an Oasis crowd, where Noel has a better chnace of appealing to a bigger crowd
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 2, 2011 0:08:00 GMT -5
in the UK, it's proly Noel. i think everyone acknowledges that.
In the U.S. i would've thought BDI had the better chance but imo it had to be the lead-off single and that trains has passed .
maybe if the people @ Dangirdbird records are smart and decide to release SOTEOTN as a single here and distribute the thing to alternative radio stations around the country, they'd have a shot.
but in England i think Noel has the upper hand, who knows really... the last Oasis single(Falling Down) charted @ #10 if im not mistaken. does anyone consider that a hit? certainly not a radio hit.
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i forgot to add, it will all depend on the promo work that is done to back up the specific single at hand.
For instance, i could see Noel's leadoff single getting its video played on Vh1's top 20 weekly show, it would all have a trickle down effect(radio airplay) from then on.
Something similar to what Gavin Rossdale did with that one song(can't remember the name).
i mean it is possible and yes im only talking about the U.S. market.
I really can't comment much about the UK because i don't know how that market works.
I know that here if you want something to be a hit you have to promote the shit out of it and basically PAY off your way to get your video played on channels like vh1/mtvHits/Fuse
If Noel is willing to drop some serious bread then anything is possible for him and his solo career. The songs alone(no matter how great they are) wont do any sort of serious damage.
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Post by wonderplan on Mar 2, 2011 0:12:04 GMT -5
in the UK, it's proly Noel. i think everyone acknowledges that. In the U.S. i would've thought BDI had the better chance but imo it had to be the lead-off single and that trains has passed . maybe if the people @ Dangirdbird records are smart and decide to release SOTEOTN as a single here and distribute the thing to alternative radio stations around the country, they'd have a shot. but in England i think Noel has the upper hand, who knows really... the last Oasis single(Falling Down) charted @ #10 if im not mistaken. does anyone consider that a hit? certainly not a radio hit. yea where did it all go wrong flopped pretty badly here in the states as a radio single even though i absolutely love the song alot of noel's sung songs aren't U.S. radio friendly. it would have to be a power ballad or an all out rocker none of this self pondering dittys that noel loves to write is gonna do it IMHO |
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Post by BlueJay on Mar 2, 2011 0:19:22 GMT -5
There's more novelty and freshness in Beady Eye and I think people wont associate them with Oasis as much, but as a new band. So if they played their cards right they could have a hit.
Noel wont have a hit - he will be very similar to Paul Weller and Bob Dylan, his album will sell as he is a very respected songwriter and people will pay lots to see him live - but none of the songs will find their way on mainstream radio or climbing up the singles chart.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 2, 2011 0:20:55 GMT -5
in the UK, it's proly Noel. i think everyone acknowledges that. In the U.S. i would've thought BDI had the better chance but imo it had to be the lead-off single and that trains has passed . maybe if the people @ Dangirdbird records are smart and decide to release SOTEOTN as a single here and distribute the thing to alternative radio stations around the country, they'd have a shot. but in England i think Noel has the upper hand, who knows really... the last Oasis single(Falling Down) charted @ #10 if im not mistaken. does anyone consider that a hit? certainly not a radio hit. yea where did it all go wrong flopped pretty badly here in the states as a radio single even though i absolutely love the song alot of noel's sung songs aren't U.S. radio friendly. it would have to be a power ballad or an all out rocker none of this self pondering dittys that noel loves to write is gonna do it IMHO ^this. Another good example is a song that's now consider by many, an Oasis classic: The Importance of being Idle. That song is good, but alternative radio DJs would laugh if you told them to play that. it's just not the type of song that gets airplay here. In contrast a song(maybe not as good) like ABWR or KTDA would fare much better and have a fighting chance. |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 2, 2011 0:28:31 GMT -5
^^To be fair, you guys are expecting Noel to stay in the confines of the Oasis sound. BDI certainly didn't do that, and its not a 100% chance that Noel does it either.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 2, 2011 0:42:10 GMT -5
Actually, i am banking on the fact that he'll come out with something similar to those remixes Oasis released as b sides for DOYS
who knows. doesn't matter what he comes out with, if he does a good job promoting the thing and advertises the hell out of it, it will sell.
Hell, Beady has literally done ZERO advertising, yet somehow they have a top 5 album in the global iTunes chart(top 4 in Uk/top 6 in US/ top 2 Canada/#1 Japan) you get the picture.
then again, we're talking SINGLE here, not album. so it would depend on what he releases as a single. he might have an overall different sound than what it was with Oasis, but if he releases something like say Falling Down, he has no chance in hell of having a hit in the uk, much less in the U.S.
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Post by songbirdsally on Mar 2, 2011 3:19:41 GMT -5
Noel wont have a hit - he will be very similar to Paul Weller and Bob Dylan, his album will sell as he is a very respected songwriter and people will pay lots to see him live - but none of the songs will find their way on mainstream radio or climbing up the singles chart. Spot on, i think! |
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Post by King Blougaredoc on Mar 2, 2011 3:56:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Noel NEVER wrote a hit single, why is he gonna change now?
Oh, wait...
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Post by kenneth on Mar 2, 2011 6:00:09 GMT -5
I certainly would'nt rule out Noel delivering a new commercial hit single. Both Little By Little and The Importance Of Being Idle did really good on the charts as well as getting lots of radio play as well.
Personally, I think Waiting For The Rapture would've done a lot better on the charts, especially if they released the alternate version of it. I think that song appeals a lot more to a more broad audience (And commercially), than Falling Down did. But fair play to Noel I guess for not going for the safe bet?
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Post by space75gr on Mar 2, 2011 6:11:10 GMT -5
I think Noel would have a better chance because his stuff would get played more on the radio. I think they would do this because Noel would get more respect since he wrote all of Oasis' "classic" tunes. At least that is what I think about here in the States anyway. i agree. even if almost all Beady Eye tracks could be hits! |
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Post by MacaRonic on Mar 2, 2011 6:11:57 GMT -5
I certainly would'nt rule out Noel delivering a new commercial hit single. Both Little By Little and The Importance Of Being Idle did really good on the charts as well as getting lots of radio play as well. I hope he releases a tune of that kind of appeal and quality but I don't think he's going to do that. I think Noel is gunna try a new direction, similar to DOYS but more acoustic, depressing kinda style. So therefor, I think with Beady Eye's energy, they've more chance of creating a hit commercially. TBOBI was pure genius but also a one off and LBL was written nearly a decade ago. I hope and I'd prefer if I'm wrong. |
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Mar 2, 2011 9:03:21 GMT -5
BDI's album would be more consistent overall imo.
But I think the hit tunes will come from Noel. He has the experience.
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Post by start at the end on Mar 2, 2011 9:47:09 GMT -5
Seeing there's not a single "great" song on DGSS, you have to go with Noel and still the chances of him having a "hit" in the US are slim...UK should be much better.
Like virtually every other descriptor, the term "hit" is subjective as hell.
I'd say it's a tune that makes the top ten and gets a least a month of heavy rotation on pop rock radio.
And nothing indicates bdi will see either with any track off this album, regardless of how much some on this site proclaim the lp or any song on it as "great".
BTL, FLW, and TRoller have already rolled out to luekwarm reviews and public response...or worse.
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 2, 2011 10:53:45 GMT -5
Noel without a doubt, i think hes gonna prove alot of people on here wrong and come out with several "classics" on his album, i think hes been thinking about this for quite some years now and has put lots of ideas away for himself, i can only talk about the UK and the UK generally love him, the Radio stations adore him especially Radio 1, and commercially people just like him much more than Liam, his voice is improving at the same pace as Liams is declining and his song structures and hooks are second to none when he gets it right.
This is just my opinion, i hope they both do great, and personally id like to see Noels album to have a "Record machine" sort of vibe - but oviously with a bigger production.
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Post by doco on Mar 4, 2011 20:16:14 GMT -5
I certainly would'nt rule out Noel delivering a new commercial hit single. Both Little By Little and The Importance Of Being Idle did really good on the charts as well as getting lots of radio play as well. Personally, I think Waiting For The Rapture would've done a lot better on the charts, especially if they released the alternate version of it. I think that song appeals a lot more to a more broad audience (And commercially), than Falling Down did. But fair play to Noel I guess for not going for the safe bet? TIOBI is one of the best Oasis songs, everything about it is top class. I think Falling Down is a class tune but WFTR has a sing-a-long quality to it. Noel up until the last Oasis album was writing the far better songs and I think its a gulf in class that BDI will never bridge. Noel could go down the Neil Young route with an acoustic/electric split in his live shows and sell out venues till the day he drops whereas I dont think BDI will have that level of sustainability. I think theyre a one trick pony that will only ever sound like Oasis and we'll love them for it but they'll fade into the background in the mainstream |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 4, 2011 21:20:51 GMT -5
As we've already heard what BDI have to offer...I'm going to go with Noel.
Some of those songs on DGSS are pretty good...but I don't think any of them have the potential to be a radio hit.
Noel may or may not be able to pull it off...@ the very least I think that he is going to be better @ the promotion. He knows the work it takes to make it in the music business and get your tunes played. I think the fact that he is the one that has been interacting with the press and journalists the most over the past 20 years, he has been the one going into radio stations and doing interviews and consequently he has relationships of sorts with DJ's...which might help with the support he gets on radio.
I just think he'll play the game better...which isn't saying much considering we are talking about vs. Liam who really couldn't seem to give a shit.
Also I've made this point before...Liam's voice, even @ it's best, isn't what hit vocal sound like nowadays.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 4, 2011 22:03:48 GMT -5
I went with Noel, mainly cos we already know BDI's fate.
I actually think BDI have several commercial friendly songs, but their marketing and promotion let them down. Seriously, this is a very catchy album with hooks scattered all over the place.
I do have a feeling that Noel will go all experimental and depressing on us, though. Songs like his sound checks - Everyone on the Run, and If I Have A Gun - won't measure up well. I seriously hope we don't get an album filled with dreary acoustic Noel songs. If Oasis won't ever reunite, he needs to release a proper version of RM, and similar minded songs as well.
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