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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 1, 2011 22:33:57 GMT -5
again, you're making equivocal assumptions.
i respect your opinion btw(i really do) but i disagree with you BIG TIME on this one.
When Oasis released DOYS here in America, they had just signed a deal with Warner Music. They HAD to push the lead-off single and they somewhat did just that.
I am not saying that people didn't like the song, the song was obviously good but let's not make it out to be like it was the second coming of "wonderwall". the reason why it rose is not because people were cloggin up the lines, calling in to request it. its success(in the charts) was mainly due to the push it received from the label which trickled down to the alternative radio DJs.
I strongly believe that if i showed what gets played on a daily basis on my local alternative station, "standing" would fit in rather well with the rest of the programming, the same way TSOTL did back in 08. However i can tell you this, it wouldn't really stand the test of time, just like TSOTL failed to do so. Oasis still gets played a couple of times a day around here but they never play "The Shock", even if you request it, they simply refuse to do it. you know why? it's because they don't have the Warner suits telling them to "play the damn new Oasis single", that's why.
These days chart success in this country has almost ZERO to do with how good (or bad) the material is. It has all to do with how it get promoted/pushed by the label.
For example, Lenny Kravitz(a borderline rock legend in my book) is about to release a new album. He will NOT get any airplay(fuck knows why)on any type of radio station, certainly not on any top40 station. You know what he did to assure the success of his leadoff single and consequently of his album?
he signed a contract with the NBA so that everytime there is a nationally televised game, they play his new single and he also got it in the contract that he be allowed to perform live @ the All Star Game.
now THAT's how you promote a single/album, at least here in America.
now, what will happen(just like what happened with "Dig in" a few years back) is that top40 stations will pick up on it because that song will become so popular that they'll no other choice but to play it.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 1, 2011 22:48:18 GMT -5
again, you're making equivocal assumptions. i respect your opinion btw(i really do) but i disagree with you BIG TIME on this one. When Oasis released DOYS here in America, they had just signed a deal with Warner Music. They HAD to push the lead-off single and they somewhat did just that. I am not saying that people didn't like the song, the song was obviously good but let's not make it out to be like it was the second coming of "wonderwall". the reason why it rose is not because people were cloggin up the lines, calling in to request it. its success(in the charts) was mainly due to the push it received from the label which trickled down to the alternative radio DJs. I strongly believe that if i showed what gets played on a daily basis on my local alternative station, "standing" would fit in rather well with the rest of the programming, the same way TSOTL did back in 08. However i can tell you this, it wouldn't really stand the test of time, just like TSOTL failed to do so. Oasis still gets played a couple of times a day around here but they never play "The Shock", even if you request it, they simply refuse to do it. you know why? it's because they don't have the Warner suits telling them to "play the damn new Oasis single", that's why. All I can say is that the way "commercial viabilty" in music (when it comes to the US) has been taught me, I've always been told that for a song to be commercially viable it has to have a majority of: a sweeping melody, a hook, line, chorus. 1 great melody, 1 great hook, 1 great line, and 1 great chorus. Even on an indie station in the US, hthis holds true.Even if you don't think that those elements are great on some hit songs, they are meant to have those elements. And I can't find that on DGSS, but I can find it on DOYS. I can find all those elements on a Noel Gallagher track, I can't find them on a Liam/Bell/Archer track. Does it help to have a "brand" yes, but that doesnt mean that you have to play it, even if people are clogging up the phone lines. Is it great to have in a commercial, yes. But that doesn't mean people have to play it. You play it because it can sell. Whether it stands the test of the time is irrelevant. There aren't many people who have hits recently that I even remember, but they got hits because at the time they could be commercially successful. The second their songs weren't that anymore, they didn't get airplay. The reason a major label throws their weight in your direction is because you can sell. If Oasis songs weren't some what viable, do you think that Warner Bros. would have signed them. No. Either way, it depends on how much the music industry thinks you can sell. Could BDI sell even with the a "brand" and the weight of the a major label behind it? I don't think so. Just because I don't think it has any kind of appeal to an audience here in the US. I guess in the end, the true test will come when Noel releases hit solo album. If he gets some kind of a hit on the modern rock charts without the full weight of a major label behind him or the "Oasis" brand, then we'll have our answer. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 1, 2011 23:05:16 GMT -5
see, you have an erroneous concept of what make or can make a song a "hit".
have you heard Rihanna's last single?
it has no rhythm whatsoever, the melody is nonexistent, the chorus is sounds more like what.. a bridge? not even, try a verse.
seriously.... maybe once upon a time it worked the way you are saying but i repeat, in this day and age, all of that simply does not apply.
i agree tho, that (for examply) a song with a catchy hook that gets put on a commercial has potentially a better chance to be successful than a song that lacks the aforementioned elements but as far as RADIO airplay goes, it's a whole 'nother story.
Your Noel bias is far too evident and to be honest i don't mind it as long as it doesn't also mean you hate Liam(obviously you don't).
But to say that LAG songs don't have great lines/hooks/melodies ? that's just laughable dude.
if anything this album has better hooks and melodies than DOYS, not to mention a lot more more energy.
Let's not pretend that this album isn't better than at least 2 Oasis albums that were written exclusively by Noel.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 1, 2011 23:14:45 GMT -5
see, you have an erroneous concept of what make or can make a song a "hit". have you heard Rihanna's last single? it has no rhythm whatsoever, the melody is nonexistent, the chorus is sounds more like what.. a bridge? not even, try a verse. seriously.... maybe once upon a time it worked the way you are saying but i repeat, in this day and age, all of that simply does not apply. i agree tho, that (for examply) a song with a catchy hook that gets put on a commercial has potentially a better chance to be successful than a song that lacks the aforementioned elements but as far as RADIO airplay goes, it's a whole 'nother story. Your Noel bias is far too evident and to be honest i don't mind it as long as it doesn't also mean you hate Liam(obviously you don't). But to say that LAG songs don't have great lines/hooks/melodies ? that's just laughable dude. if anything this album has better hooks and melodies than DOYS, not to mention a lot more more energy. Let's not pretend that this album isn't better than at least 2 Oasis albums that were written exclusively by Noel. Let me put it like this. Let's look at the Gorillaz vs Blur. Blur has almost zero commercial appeal, Gorillaz have a lot. Same writer writing. Why does one have more appeal than the other? Because one is meant to have more appeal. You can't tell me that if you take the most commercial appealing song of Blur's (other than Song 2) and say that it is more appealing than something by the Gorillaz. And the Gorillaz really didnt have a "brand" or a really major label. They are just ways that you can craft songs that can make them more appealing. BDI doesn't have that same appeal, nor do their songs. In the end it boils down to this, band name aside, just on the basis of the songs, if you were a radio DJ and you had choice between which would get more airplays: Lyla vs anything off of DGSS, which would you choose? It would be pretty hard not to choose Lyla. Because to me it just has more appeal to a wide audiesnce. That's the only point that I'm making when I say that Noel's stuff just has more appeal to a mass audience. On its own merits, it has a better chance than most to get played on the radio. ahaha, love that every so often I get called either a Liam lover or a Noel lover. I just argue my point. edit: the choruses and the lyrics on DGSS are pretty either decent or bad imo. The melodies are pretty good, but incomplete. 1 line of melody repeating over and over, is not what I call a great melody. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 1, 2011 23:39:46 GMT -5
i am not a music expert but i know what i like and i know what i don't like.
Maybe the melodies in DGSS are not "great" but i know they are better than those on DOYS, even the ones in the first half of the album.
I think you're overrating Lyla a bit. It's a hell of a song live but the album version is flat imo, i'd even go as far as calling it bland.
SOTEOTN has way more attitude and more "punch" if you will.
in the end it's always gonna come down to someone's opinion. You obviously think Lyla is the shit and i prefer SOTEOTN.
To be honest if Lyla wasn't a song by Oasis i wouldn't even have it on my iTunes library.
You don't like BDI's album too much, i think it's pretty damn good.
let's just end this and agree to disagree.
peace out bro.
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Post by Ltrain on Mar 1, 2011 23:41:26 GMT -5
I disagree with Standing. It would get slagged off for being a "get back" rip off and you don't have to listen too deep to hear that. Four Letter Word would of been better In my opinion but both are better than TBGO or KFAD as a single in the States. Also TRC would do okay here I think. KFAD wouldn't be so bad imo. As for "Standing". you're giving the causal US iTunes user too much credit if you think they'd recognize it as a Beatles rip-off. If you read arefully, the reviews for TBGO saying it sounds too much like the beatles can't even make out what song it resembles, they just know it sounds a hell of a lot like the Fab4 which it does. "Standing on the edge of the noise" is an upbeat song that sounds modern, way more so than any other of the tracks on the album. It would really fit well within Alternative stations playlists. that's my opinion anywyas. and for the person who "For Anyone" doesn't sound much like OAsis, let's get real here, it's basically "Songbird part 2". That song wouldn't get a single spin here in the states and for the record, Sonbird never did either. I was not talking just about the people at Itunes. I meant if it was released just as a single and was on the radio. It would get ripped apart for being "Get back" the alternative version, lol. It's a good song but it also would get a lukewarm reception. And I do think people at Itunes would of recognized it. A lot of people know that song. |
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Post by Ltrain on Mar 1, 2011 23:44:28 GMT -5
And as for DOYS, I never heard TSOTL on the radio here, not even once. And I usually listen to the radio a lot when Oasis came out with a new single to see if they would play it. I have not heard a new Oasis song played on the radio here since they played acquiesce back in 1998 for the Masterplan. Sad really
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 2, 2011 0:26:06 GMT -5
wow, that is said indeed.
TSOTL received quite a few spins here in Dallas when it first came out.
It even hit #1 on the playlist on 102.1 The Edge(DFW), getting like 4 spins a day.
That obviously faded rather quickly as the Warner suits stopped demanding it got major airplay since the album had already sold as many copies as it was gonna sell.
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Post by worldsoutro on Mar 2, 2011 19:13:25 GMT -5
Too bad alot of people dont seem to like this!
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Post by DCUnited on Mar 2, 2011 20:32:26 GMT -5
And as for DOYS, I never heard TSOTL on the radio here, not even once. And I usually listen to the radio a lot when Oasis came out with a new single to see if they would play it. I have not heard a new Oasis song played on the radio here since they played acquiesce back in 1998 for the Masterplan. Sad really Do You Live in Baltimore? WTMD 89.7 plays Oasis/Beady Eye 103.1 WRNR also. DC101 played Shock of the Lightning a lot when it came out. |
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