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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 11:46:53 GMT -5
Presidential busts: The worst of all: Barack Obama (2009-?):www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/22/presidential-busts/No matter what side of the aisle you sit on, I don't think anyone could honestly say Obama has been good. Frankly, I think it speaks wonders how Bush's approvals have raised so greatly since 2008 (although I always said they would). Romney compared to Kerry? Nonsense. Try Obama compare to Carter. Hope and change? We hope Obama doesn't get a second term so we can change presidents..... you keep comparing obama to carter as if that is a bad thing, jimmy carter is a legend.
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Post by NYR on Jul 26, 2012 13:07:06 GMT -5
hey cheeks, your boy's doing one hell of a job in london today!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 16:02:08 GMT -5
hey cheeks, your boy's doing one hell of a job in london today! bad politics but he didn't actually say anything that was wrong. don't now how it plays in the US but over here no one knows who he is.
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Post by NYR on Jul 26, 2012 17:30:22 GMT -5
edit: wanted to add this. cheeks, jimmy carter was not as bad as you say he was. he was a nothing president. he was a lame duck president for all four years of his presidency. the only reason why he's so reviled these days is to make ronald reagan look so much better. meanwhile, reagan was not as amazing as you think he was. he raised taxes 11 times, gave money and supplies to saddam hussein and supported the mujahideen (which later turned into splinter groups like the taliban and al-qaeda), and left record deficits by the time he left office. oh yeah, and his silence about HIV/AIDS virtually led to the deaths of thousands (if not millions) while pat robertson, his director of communications, called it "nature's revenge on gay men." yeah. some president. hey cheeks, your boy's doing one hell of a job in london today! bad politics but he didn't actually say anything that was wrong. don't now how it plays in the US but over here no one knows who he is. he's done a few faux pas so far. #1: one of romney's staffers said that obama's white house doesn't appreciate or understand the "anglo-saxon heritage" that the united states has. in other words, "HEY GUYS HE'S BLACK!" putting aside the fact that romney's father was born in mexico due to his grandfather's attempts to live his live as a polygamist, obama's mother was of english, irish and scottish descent. obama's father was an english subject being born in kenya before it gained independence. romney rightfully disavowed the comments, but at the end of the day, he is the leader of his campaign and ought to make sure that statements like these never are made. #2: he spoke of his meeting with the head of MI6, which is apparently not done and against protocol. he also forgot ed miliband's name. my thoughts? meh. #3: he's at a fundraiser at the time i'm writing this. i have no problem with that. the problem i have is that former barclays CEO bob diamond played a huge part in organizing the fundraiser. he may have withdrawn since he resigned after the libor scandal, but it speaks volumes as to the type of people who want this guy to become president. #4: he criticized the preparations for the olympics so far, even suggesting that the brits aren't ready for nor are willing to embrace the games. this is the major issue. romney is out of his fucking head if he thinks saying things like that will get him anywhere. this trip may be to court international donors, but anything he says or does while abroad is a reflection of the united states. it may not be much to you, ross, but he's running for president, and not only does he make himself look like an arrogant fool when he makes statements like that, he makes the people he wants to represent look bad.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 26, 2012 18:26:22 GMT -5
Sounds like very petty stuff your complaining about.
How about Obama's two most recent comments:
1. "The private sector is doing fine" - Obama, June 8, 2012 2. "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own...If you got a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen" - Obama, July 16, 2012 (see my next post for video)
Nit picking over Mitt speaking the truth about the London Olympics (he's 100% right about security issues that have occurred over the last month!) is petty. While Obama's gaffes on the economy and economics in general actually shows an actual lack of disconnect, understanding, and overall fundamental way he sees the nation - hardly championing a free market economy, is he?
In fact, #1 above is analagous to Bush's "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie" moment during Hurricane Katrina. It's that bad, and was actually an almost verbatim of McCain's gaffe in 2008 amid the economic collapse.
Obama needs a miracle if he's going to win a second term (I know polls are close right now, but that means nothing: Kerry was in the lead this time in 2004, as was Carter....we all know how that turned out!). The climate suggests an Obama loss.
I don't have time to get into a Carter/Reagan debate right now, but will do so later. I'll just leave it at this for right now: you're so far off with both assessments. Carter has to be the worst president of modern times, bar none. He was THAT bad.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 26, 2012 18:41:40 GMT -5
This is appalling:
What an utter moron. Did he really say this? Did the President of the United States really utter these words? Shameful. I've never heard something so stupid in my life, and this is coming off of 8 years of Bush's stumbling speeches.
Romney responds:
These are the issues November will be about. It won't be about Romney's security concern over the London Olympics, It won't be about an off the cuff remark by a Romney campaign staffer, it won't be about Romney forgetting the name of a person.
It will be about the economy and the lack of improvement during the Obama years.
And if you want to talk about disconnect, how about Obama interjecting himself to local issues - the obvious one regarding Gates, but there have been several including the most recent Trayvon Martin incident. Or how about all his lavish parties and vacations while the rest of his citizens remain unemployed? Or how about how he has played more golf than Bush did in 8 years - in fact, Bush stopped after the Iraq War began as a sign of respect.....You can call Romney out of touch, but I throw that right back at Obama.
And you mentioned Romney having one shady acquaintance? How about Obama? He has several, and they're more than acquaintances. He sat in the church of, supported, and befriended the radical Rev. Wright, for over 20 years, for example. Again, I throw this assertion right back at Obama, too.
Let's be honest, Obama fucked up. He entered into the arena in 2008 with so much discontent for Republicans. He should have ushered in another era of liberal rule, but he simply messed everything up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 18:49:35 GMT -5
This is appalling: What an utter moron. Did he really say this? Did the President of the United States really utter these words? Shameful. I've never heard something so stupid in my life, and this is coming off of 8 years of Bush's stumbling speeches. Romney responds: These are the issues November will be about. It won't be about Romney's security concern over the London Olympics, It won't be about an off the cuff remark by a Romney campaign staffer, it won't be about Romney forgetting the name of a person. It will be about the economy and the lack of improvement during the Obama years. And if you want to talk about disconnect, how about Obama interjecting himself to local issues - the obvious one regarding Gates, but there have been several including the most recent Trayvon Martin incident. Or how about all his lavish parties and vacations while the rest of his citizens remain unemployed? Or how about how he has played more golf than Bush did in 8 years - in fact, Bush stopped after the Iraq War began as a sign of respect.....You can call Romney out of touch, but I throw that right back at Obama. And you mentioned Romney having one shady acquiescence? How about Obama? He has several, and they're more than acquiescence. He sat in, supported, and befriended Rev. Wright, for example. Again, I throw this assertion right back at Obama, too. Let's be honest, Obama fucked up. He entered into the arena in 2008 with so much discontent for Republicans. He should have ushered in another era of liberal rule, but he simply messed everything up. I whole-heartedly disagree with Obama here, but Romney is a c unt aswell... "its insulting to every entrepreneur in America" Errr no son, its insulting to every entrepreneur in the world.... America isnt the only country on earth
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Post by NYR on Jul 26, 2012 19:06:09 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 26, 2012 19:14:55 GMT -5
It's ironic because that's all Jon Stewart does to make money. As for the last part re: Fox and Friends: It's an early morning segment. I watch it for 10mins when I'm getting ready in the morning. They have important headlines, etc but it's relaxed as well. Put it this way: It's much better than NBC's Today Show (which has the same concept), but would we ever see Jon Stewart mock that liberal network out of context and understanding on a daily (even more ironic...) basis? Of course not. Please. Liberals quoting Jon Stewart is just as bad as Conservatives constantly quoting Rush Limbaugh.
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Post by NYR on Jul 26, 2012 19:39:08 GMT -5
yes, jon stewart, a comedian, mocks people. however, tell me where in this clip he takes anything out of context. then we'll talk. the daily show constantly mocks msnbc, as they should. it's a ridiculous channel with a bunch of blowhards who feel like they need to do the liberal version of fox news for no other reason than "because." here's a link of stewart completely destroying olbermann. too old a clip? here's one from this past month.you're right that fox and friends, is of a similar format to the today show, but it's for conservatives only. you're misrepresenting it by leaving that part out. i've never seen the today show produce a four minute anti-obama attack video that even rupert murdoch thought went over the line. i'm taking it that you don't like how i've attacked romney and linked to a liberal comedian. that is absolutely nothing like how you often quote and link to rush limbaugh, fox news, townhall.com and the daily caller, right? or do you just not like it when the other side does it?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 26, 2012 19:43:03 GMT -5
yes, jon stewart, a comedian, mocks people. however, tell me where in this clip he takes anything out of context. then we'll talk. the daily show constantly mocks msnbc, as they should. it's a ridiculous channel with a bunch of blowhards who feel like they need to do the liberal version of fox news for no other reason than "because." here's a link of stewart completely destroying olbermann. too old a clip? here's one from this past month.you're right that fox and friends, is of a similar format to the today show, but it's for conservatives only. you're misrepresenting it by leaving that part out. i've never seen the today show produce a four minute anti-obama attack video that even rupert murdoch thought went over the line. i'm taking it that you don't like how i've attacked romney and linked to a liberal comedian. that is absolutely nothing like how you often quote and link to rush limbaugh, fox news, townhall.com and the daily caller, right? or do you just not like it when the other side does it? I almost never link to Rush. I don't know what townhall or the daily caller are - if I linked to either in the past it was very infrequently, or even a one-off. I also limit my Fox News links on here. If you must know, I read the articles on Real Clear Politics daily, and out of most they link to, I've become a real fan of the Washington Post.....
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Post by NYR on Jul 26, 2012 20:03:26 GMT -5
yes, jon stewart, a comedian, mocks people. however, tell me where in this clip he takes anything out of context. then we'll talk. the daily show constantly mocks msnbc, as they should. it's a ridiculous channel with a bunch of blowhards who feel like they need to do the liberal version of fox news for no other reason than "because." here's a link of stewart completely destroying olbermann. too old a clip? here's one from this past month.you're right that fox and friends, is of a similar format to the today show, but it's for conservatives only. you're misrepresenting it by leaving that part out. i've never seen the today show produce a four minute anti-obama attack video that even rupert murdoch thought went over the line. i'm taking it that you don't like how i've attacked romney and linked to a liberal comedian. that is absolutely nothing like how you often quote and link to rush limbaugh, fox news, townhall.com and the daily caller, right? or do you just not like it when the other side does it? I almost never link to Rush. I don't know what townhall or the daily caller are - if I linked to either in the past it was very infrequently, or even a one-off. I also limit my Fox News links on here. If you must know, I read the articles on Real Clear Politics daily, and out of most they link to, I've become a real fan of the Washington Post..... here are links you've shared with us... rush limbaugh live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=life&action=display&thread=54657karl rove live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=life&action=display&thread=57334fox news live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=life&action=display&thread=58957right squared live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=life&action=display&thread=57935obama-fail.com live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=life&action=display&thread=57876national review live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=life&action=display&thread=65673weekly standard live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=life&action=display&thread=69266i think you get my point.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 26, 2012 20:06:48 GMT -5
Also, for what it's worth, not for the first time Stewart is wrong. The clip didn't omit anything from the middle of the speech (although I, of course, don't support what ABC is trying to insinuate)...... abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/did-obama-say-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that/P.S. Stewart would be best advised to look up "grammatical" in a dictionary as these weren't grammatical gaffes..... P.P.S. Romney isn't hanging his whole campaign on this one Obama speech. He's hanging his campaign on the past 4 years of poor economic growth. P.P.P.S. Stewart is so pretentious and thinks he's smarter and more important than he really is.
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Post by NYR on Jul 27, 2012 9:15:24 GMT -5
it was a grammatical misstep. the "that" obama referred to was the "roads and bridges." ( source) however, thanks to obama's poor phrasing, the "that" could easily be read to mean "a business". and it was poor enough that the republicans didn't even have to twist words; just remove the lead-in. “…but none of us make it on our own. somebody — an outstanding entrepreneur like a steve jobs — somewhere along the line he had a teacher who helped inspire him. all those great internet businesses wouldn’t have succeeded unless somebody had invested in the government research that helped to create the internet. we don’t succeed on our own. we succeed because this country has, in previous generations, made investments that allow all of us to succeed.” mitt romney said that. it's exactly obama's point, but with proper phrasing. assuming that said entrepreneur went to public school, who's behind that? assuming that same entrepreneur has to drive to work, who builds and maintains the roads he drives on? the government. ---------------------------------------- boris johnson mocked romney in front of 60,000 people at an olympics rally in hyde park; david cameron destroyed him on the salt lake city olympics, and is an utter joke to the brits. they're calling him the american borat, for fuck's sake! they think that obama has the election in the bag already, and this visit only cemented that. now, obama is far from perfect. you know that, and i know that. but let's try to keep the magnitude of mitt's blunders in perspective here. this trip was supposed to demonstrate his foreign policy superiority over obama. within two days, mitt has half the uk practically laughing him out of the country. edit: also, about obama's relationship with bill ayers, ayers himself said he only knew obama slightly, and wished he knew him better. jeremiah wright may have said some crazy ass things as a reverend, but that's irrelevant to this; do you really want to compare a crazy reverend to executives at banks who helped destroy the world's economies?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 11:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 11:38:26 GMT -5
P.P.S. Romney isn't hanging his whole campaign on this one Obama speech. He's hanging his campaign on the past 4 years of poor economic growth. not been easy for obama he did come after bush managed to destroy both your economy and reputation. tax rises for the rich are part of the answer just don't point out the obvious around a republican.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 27, 2012 18:59:54 GMT -5
The whole Olympic "mess" surrounding Romney is simply just due to the media wanting a story. It will drop out of the news cycle in a couple days, and it means nowt. He spoke the truth. What's sad is that people are criticizing him because they didn't like hearing the truth, even though they knew it to be true..... Remember in the failed 2009 Xmas Day Underwear Bomber, Janet Napolitano (Secretary of Department of Homeland Security) claimed that the failure showed the system worked? She was laughed out of town - the system didn't work! The attack failed because the terrorist was incompetent (like Richard Reid before him). Why do I bring this up? Because Romney putting on rose tinted glasses and saying that the Olympics planning has been a success would have been equally bullshit. (Another analogy being when McCain in 2008 and Obama last month, said the economy was strong/doing fine). At least Romney wasn't afraid to utter the truth.....Additionally, Cameron's response (citing Salt Lake as the middle of nowhere) was pathetic and not how a statesman should act, either. Come on now. Piers Morgan put it best in this video: Romney is also now up 5% in Rasmussen, which had Obama leading McCain 5% at this time in 2008. Too soon to know if it's a significant trend though. ( www.businessinsider.com/romney-obama-poll-rasmussen-tracking-election-2012-7). People in the UK may think Obama will win, but that's not even remotely the case in the US (you know, where it actually matters). Europeans still support Obama, mainly because they haven't directly experienced his incompetent regime, again, it differs in the US where the views of Obama have purpose and consequence. This election is about the economy, and not about stupid tabloid stories that float in and out of the bi-weekly news cycle. Lastly, regarding the "grammatical" misstep: Even ignoring that reference, how about earlier in his speech where he says hard work doesn't yield success? Is that really how a president should be speaking? It's shocking and appalling. (By the by, where was Jon Stewart and the liberals defending Bush's grammatical missteps? Oh, right, when Bush misspoke it was because he was stupid. I despair sometimes at all these double standards). Maybe NYR should become familiar with Obama's gaffes: freebeacon.com/wreck-it-barack/
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Post by masterplan200 on Jul 27, 2012 21:56:59 GMT -5
^Truth=lying when you're a politican, buddy. Same with Tony Abbott at the moment here (he lies just to get power, his own party is sick of him in Canberra and I don't mean the federal mob). People will do anything just to get power sometimes.
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Post by NYR on Jul 27, 2012 22:31:40 GMT -5
The whole Olympic "mess" surrounding Romney is simply just due to the media wanting a story. It will drop out of the news cycle in a couple days, and it means nowt. He spoke the truth. What's sad is that people are criticizing him because they didn't like hearing the truth, even though they knew it to be true..... Remember in the failed 2009 Xmas Day Underwear Bomber, Janet Napolitano (Secretary of Department of Homeland Security) claimed that the failure showed the system worked? She was laughed out of town - the system didn't work! The attacked failed because the terrorist was incompetent (like Richard Reid before him). Why do I bring this up? Because Romney putting on rose tinted glasses and saying that the Olympics planning has been a success would have been equally bullshit. (Another analogy being when McCain in 2008 and Obama last month, said the economy was strong/doing fine). At least Romney wasn't afraid to utter the truth.....Additionally, Cameron's response (citing Salt Lake as the middle of nowhere) was pathetic and not how a statesman should act, either. Come on now. Piers Morgan put it best in this video: Romney is also now up 5% in Rasmussen, which had Obama leading McCain 5% at this time in 2008. Too soon to know if it's a significant trend though. ( www.businessinsider.com/romney-obama-poll-rasmussen-tracking-election-2012-7). People in the UK may think Obama will win, but that's not even remotely the case in the US (you know, where it actually matters). Europeans still support Obama, mainly because they haven't directly experienced his incompetent regime, again, it differs in the US where the views of Obama have purpose and consequence. This election is about the economy, and not about stupid tabloid stories that float in and out of the bi-weekly news cycle. Lastly, regarding the "grammatical" misstep: Even ignoring that reference, how about earlier in his speech where he says hard work doesn't yield success? Is that really how a president should be speaking? It's shocking and appalling. (By the by, where was Jon Stewart and the liberals defending Bush's grammatical missteps? Oh, right, when Bush misspoke it was because he was stupid. I despair sometimes at all these double standards). Maybe NYR should become familiar with Obama's gaffes: freebeacon.com/wreck-it-barack/the whole olympic mess surrounding romney is simply due to the fact that you just don't criticize a country when you're there. it's unstatesmanlike and unbecoming of the country you are trying to represent. ever been to utah? iit's a beautiful state, but don't tell me it isn't the middle of nowhere. napolitano is a criminal who ought to be in jail. same with that phone hacker piers morgan. regime? really? hard work DOESN'T yield success. it should, but there's something that often prevents it. it's called life. you're really defending george w. bush's speaking skills here? the same bush who said, "i couldn't imagine somebody like osama bin laden understanding the joy of hanukkah," or "rarely is the question asked, 'is our children learning?'" or "i know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully?" the same guy who got us into this mess in the first place? give me a break. if you want to compare bush to obama on anything, they're more similar on policy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 22:44:10 GMT -5
This thread is the exact reason why debating politics is pointless. Have you guys actually read through these posts and seen how messed up they are? I know I have made some statements on here, some lengthier than others, but these novels you guys are writing back and forth are ridiculous. It's almost like fighting over whether or not the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus would be a better leader of the USA.
It's crazy talk going on around here.
(by-the-way, my money would be on Santa Claus)
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Post by NYR on Jul 28, 2012 11:17:27 GMT -5
well, clearly it would be santa!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 10:16:39 GMT -5
Mitt Romney would not stand in the way of an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, a senior adviser to the presumptive Republican presidential candidate has said. i sure hope he has caveats
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Post by globe on Jul 29, 2012 16:43:13 GMT -5
Quoting Piers Morgan? LOLZ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 16:58:30 GMT -5
The mormons didn't they baptize those that died in the holocaust?
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Post by NYR on Jul 31, 2012 14:02:57 GMT -5
The mormons didn't they baptize those that died in the holocaust? they have in the past, the collective outrage has pretty much brought that to a halt. it's official policy not to do so, though that doesn't stop mormons from doing so. i think anne frank has been posthumously baptized a bunch of times; this was a recent example.
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