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Post by start at the end on Feb 14, 2011 19:44:03 GMT -5
critically.
I realize we have a trio of lukewarm to good numbers out there thus far, but this thing is going to get panned three-fold worse than any Oasis offering by the times it's over.
Some of it will undoubtedly be the predictable, canned, anti-Oasis/Liam garbage- especially with the Genius on Permanent Hiatus.
But really, most of what it will be deserved. Face it, there's not a"great" song to be found on the LP. There's perhaps 5 that are ok to good, and the balance veer from tolerable to hideous, with Standing on the Edge of Noise and BTL being particularly dreadful.
But hold the phone, I actually think the album is alright, when cast upon the rock landscape as a whole (what's left of, anyway). The former paragraph is really weighted by the past 17 years of majorally "B" and "A" level records.
And too bad if you don't like the comparison...it's fucking inescapable, and more imperatively, legitimate.
Between Liam being as likeable as a cactus-condom and the overall quality of this release, the knives will be out more than ever.
If it matters, for me, I'd say it barely exceeded my expectations, I mean really, what the fuck were people thinking, given the last decade of their output in Oasis? Just look at the 12 or so songs over the last 10 years...now we're getting 13 in 4 months?
Anyway, this is the bands forum, so spare me the needless bullshit flaming, I'm here cause I'm a fan. I'll continue to spin the disc and buy it when it comes out, but I'm not out of my fuckin' mind, either.
cheers.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 14, 2011 19:48:30 GMT -5
But it hasn't been panned, its recieved a relatively warm welcome in England at least. If you are applying that to America you might have a point. But I personally am not bothered about that.
Its no classic, but its pretty good. Which is what most reviews have said so far.
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Post by start at the end on Feb 14, 2011 19:54:06 GMT -5
^ I prolly largely agree with you., somewhere. But really, I'm not seeing/hearing itm thus far. Big let-downs could be the cause, too. Wigwam is forgettable. The Beat Goes On is a "classic". Please.
I like Kill for a Dream, BAS, Roller, and FLW, but I'm not finding much else to bring the album much above middling.
Here's to hoping 2/3's of it is a grower, lol, and I'm dead wrong.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Feb 14, 2011 19:59:18 GMT -5
Anyone with Keane, Jet & The Hives down as the "collective saving of rock n' roll" should not really be allowed an opinion on ... anything!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 14, 2011 20:01:15 GMT -5
I don't think there a classic on it, that doesn't to me at least mean its not good. There nothing thats gonna be on a classic 2011 cd in 30 years by my reckoning. But theres some good stuff on it and some big steps forward from what they have come up with previously.
Its by no means perfect but it is more consistent than there combined attempts on previous records.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Feb 14, 2011 20:10:01 GMT -5
Classics aren't born overnight... everyone thought Morning Glory was rubbish when we first heard it back in October 95...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 14, 2011 20:15:30 GMT -5
Yeah Morning Glory it aint. I like it and I hope it does well, I just don't think theres a huge classic of the morning glory type.
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Post by jilliam on Feb 14, 2011 20:16:49 GMT -5
Classics aren't born overnight... everyone thought Morning Glory was rubbish when we first heard it back in October 95... THIS.  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 14, 2011 20:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 14, 2011 20:30:23 GMT -5
As for your original post - you're right to a certain extent. There are some people who have a vendetta against all things Oasis related (Cough US Rolling Stone Magazine Cough) exemplified in The Fly review (which simply bashed the band for the sake of it without really giving the musical output a chance).
But I think you're wrong in the long run. Noel was always seen as the brains of the band. When he walked, and Oasis continued under another moniker, not only did the press laugh but even some of us hard core fans on here were in denial. The Chief left, and the great song writer that penned the classic Little James was now taking over? Surely going to be diabolical. Then BTL was released, which was seen as refreshing but came as a shock to us Oasis followers.
My point? Beady Eye have already dissolved any overtly legitimate criticisms that would have been thrown their way because they surpassed expectations. Everyone expected them to fall right on their face. So while DGSS may not be seen as a classic, it will def. be seen as a success.
Also, one last point, while they may be nicking parts from other songs more blatantly - see The Roller - they don't sound like Oasis. It's much more upbeat and poppy. This notion would thus counter act the other criticism held frequently by Oasis haters - that they never tried anything different, that everything sounded the same.
While there will always be the Oasis/BDI haters and reviews, I don't think we're going to see an onslaught this time. Remember, Oasis' popularity was surging again from DBTT and DOYS after taking a mighty hit following BHN into the barren and uninspired HC years.
Frankly, I don't see this album getting panned by many. And even if it does, so what? Haters be mad.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Feb 14, 2011 20:55:20 GMT -5
^ Good post
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Post by ToneBender on Feb 14, 2011 20:57:59 GMT -5
NL4E, that was one of your best posts to date. Well said.
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Post by jasroy on Feb 14, 2011 21:09:32 GMT -5
definitely one of nl4e's better efforts
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Post by start at the end on Feb 14, 2011 21:19:26 GMT -5
Anyone with Keane, Jet & The Hives down as the "collective saving of rock n' roll" should not really be allowed an opinion on ... anything! yeah, great point. One's a near Australian Oasis-clone, ones a 3 chord garage band...and keane was a joke. we'll see where the reviews stand in 2 weeks. |
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Post by start at the end on Feb 14, 2011 21:26:23 GMT -5
Well. One's just flat out wrong...Mojo gave it 3 stars, not 4...and 2 are from questionable sources...FHM?! lol. Still, I won't reason it all away, as I said there's been a good little spurt, pre-release. Many times it seems the earlier views are the most gracious...don't know if giving a few rags the "early" scoop has anything to do with it. Like I said, I hope to be wrong. |
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Post by stomko on Feb 14, 2011 21:33:44 GMT -5
NL4E said it very well.
Oasis was always a group that couldn't live up to hype and expectations. People always wanted (or cheered against) more. They were always trapped in the shadow of the gossip (sibling rivalry/The Beatles influence/feuds etc).
Not to say feuds and Beatles comparisons won't continue, but this seems to be the first time we've seen Liam as an underdog. Low expectations and cynicism may be the things that propel this band to some success.
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Post by start at the end on Feb 14, 2011 21:41:57 GMT -5
So after 7 reviews, we're at 3.14/5
Decent start I suppose. And when looking at the three's output in Oasis, I guess I would have assumed a 3/5 effort if they brought in someone (like Lillywhite) to get all their guns together.
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Post by start at the end on Feb 14, 2011 21:47:51 GMT -5
NL4E said it very well. Oasis was always a group that couldn't live up to hype and expectations. People always wanted (or cheered against) more. They were always trapped in the shadow of the gossip (sibling rivalry/The Beatles influence/feuds etc). Not to say feuds and Beatles comparisons won't continue, but this seems to be the first time we've seen Liam as an underdog. Low expectations and cynicism may be the things that propel this band to some success. Yeah, but this isn't exactly news. Anyone can look at it from three angles: 1. WTF can these guys do without Noel? Then, because the bar drops, the album magically morphs to a 4/5 cause it's "decent". 2. Regardless of the above, the "Oasis hate" is alive and well, so the "decent" album's now a 2/5. 3. Someone simply finds the album to be somewhere between "serviceable" and "ok" and calls it a 3/5. Assuming pure randomness, perhaps it's no surprise we're nearly squarely on a 3/5, thus far. |
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Feb 14, 2011 21:57:11 GMT -5
To be honest buddy who started this thread. "For Anyone" is a Beautiful song. This will be a Massive hit if its released. It may not be everyones cup of tea but this song has maximum potential to be a folky Smash hit. Gorgeous song. Songbirds baby sister.
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Post by start at the end on Feb 14, 2011 22:01:37 GMT -5
As I said, I like 5 of the songs. Perhaps they'll move ahead a bit...but thus far the Roller, FLW, and the BTL are about the same after 20 listens as they were after 2.
For Anyone could be one of those movers I suppose, but it's pretty inconsequential...is it 2 minutes, even? With some pretty brutal lyrics, if I recall correctly.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 14, 2011 22:55:13 GMT -5
NL4E said it very well. Oasis was always a group that couldn't live up to hype and expectations. People always wanted (or cheered against) more. They were always trapped in the shadow of the gossip (sibling rivalry/The Beatles influence/feuds etc). Not to say feuds and Beatles comparisons won't continue, but this seems to be the first time we've seen Liam as an underdog. Low expectations and cynicism may be the things that propel this band to some success. Yeah, but this isn't exactly news. Anyone can look at it from three angles: 1. WTF can these guys do without Noel? Then, because the bar drops, the album magically morphs to a 4/5 cause it's "decent". 2. Regardless of the above, the "Oasis hate" is alive and well, so the "decent" album's now a 2/5. 3. Someone simply finds the album to be somewhere between "serviceable" and "ok" and calls it a 3/5. Assuming pure randomness, perhaps it's no surprise we're nearly squarely on a 3/5, thus far. I would agree. NL4E just argued that the album will get great reviews because they weren't shit. That's like when every review post 2000 said "well compared to the SOTSOG, HC is great" or "well compared to HC, DBTT is amazing." Creating a separate bar, because something didn't turn out to be complete shit, is a dead end street. I think they'll get some good reviews, just because they didn't release pure shit. But that's not a good reason to get good reviews. I think they'll get bad reviews just for the hell of it. And I also think they'll get some middle of the road reviews. As I've been saying for a couple of months, SPIN will be the key. If they get a lukewarm review from SPIN, then expect the daggers to fly. A LOT, of daggers. |
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Post by caats19 on Feb 14, 2011 23:09:40 GMT -5
quite honestly, i think the critics will receive it well. I liked that mojo review that said liam earns respect with this album. Vulture liked it too.
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Post by oasisfanboy on Feb 14, 2011 23:11:46 GMT -5
Yeah, but this isn't exactly news. Anyone can look at it from three angles: 1. WTF can these guys do without Noel? Then, because the bar drops, the album magically morphs to a 4/5 cause it's "decent". 2. Regardless of the above, the "Oasis hate" is alive and well, so the "decent" album's now a 2/5. 3. Someone simply finds the album to be somewhere between "serviceable" and "ok" and calls it a 3/5. Assuming pure randomness, perhaps it's no surprise we're nearly squarely on a 3/5, thus far. I would agree. NL4E just argued that the album will get great reviews because they weren't shit. That's like when every review post 2000 said "well compared to the SOTSOG, HC is great" or "well compared to HC, DBTT is amazing." Creating a separate bar, because something didn't turn out to be complete shit, is a dead end street. I think they'll get some good reviews, just because they didn't release pure shit. But that's not a good reason to get good reviews. I think they'll get bad reviews just for the hell of it. And I also think they'll get some middle of the road reviews. As I've been saying for a couple of months, SPIN will be the key. If they get a lukewarm review from SPIN, then expect the daggers to fly. A LOT, of daggers. With respect, what is SPIN, and why the buggery is it important? |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 14, 2011 23:20:40 GMT -5
I would agree. NL4E just argued that the album will get great reviews because they weren't shit. That's like when every review post 2000 said "well compared to the SOTSOG, HC is great" or "well compared to HC, DBTT is amazing." Creating a separate bar, because something didn't turn out to be complete shit, is a dead end street. I think they'll get some good reviews, just because they didn't release pure shit. But that's not a good reason to get good reviews. I think they'll get bad reviews just for the hell of it. And I also think they'll get some middle of the road reviews. As I've been saying for a couple of months, SPIN will be the key. If they get a lukewarm review from SPIN, then expect the daggers to fly. A LOT, of daggers. With respect, what is SPIN, and why the buggery is it important? Did you really just "what is SPIN?"? LOL Pretty well known and well respected music magazine. One of the largest in fact. SPIN is also one of the few MAJOR American muisc mags, that like and respect Oasis' music. If they give a lukewarm review, then its basically like dominoes. SPIN and Billboard usually go hand in hand. And whatever SPIN gives, Rolling Stone always give at least a full star lower. SPIN really was the measuring stick in America, for Oasis. They gave them fair and honest reviews, gave them pretty high rankings in their end of the decade, year, and all-time music lists, and gave them probably the most interview spots for any US mag. They're, pretty important. |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Feb 14, 2011 23:24:11 GMT -5
With respect, what is SPIN, and why the buggery is it important? Did you really just "what is SPIN?"? LOL Pretty well known and well respected music magazine. One of the largest in fact. SPIN is also one of the few MAJOR American muisc mags, that like and respect Oasis' music. If they give a lukewarm review, then its basically like dominoes. SPIN and Billboard usually go hand in hand. And whatever SPIN gives, Rolling Stone always give at least a full star lower. SPIN really was the measuring stick in America, for Oasis. They gave them fair and honest reviews, gave them pretty high rankings in their end of the decade, year, and all-time music lists, and gave them probably the most interview spots for any US mag. They're, pretty important. Ta m'duck. Fingers crossed for a decent review if it's gonna help over here, then. |
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