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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 12, 2011 7:43:41 GMT -5
Nice. Now every thread end up in rip off discussion
Fuck. Just google 'plagiarism in rock music'. It will widen your horizons.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 12, 2011 7:43:50 GMT -5
Because a song didn't take long to write is not certain to reflect on its quality. Songbird is a beauty of a song and even if you don't like it I can't believe that you can't appreciate its quality. I've seen your posts before, and the same as the oasistoonfan, it doesn't matter what they put out. You'll be there ready to sling some mud at it. How have Beady Eye sunk low? This sort of thing escapes me. On the contrary! I was eagerly awaiting the first Beady Eye songs and was really disapointed. The I thought I'd wait for the rest...I like Four Letter Word and thought "Ah that's more like it". Then the previews were leaked...ugh... You have to be able to appreciate things for what they are. I'm not a fan that will love everything Oasis/Beady Eye will put out. If Liam had the talent to write a great song in 10 minutes, that wouldn't even be a point. Songbird could've been written by a 12 year old teenager learning how to play guitar. The text is cute, played on two chords. Quality? Nah. But you say you've seen my posts before. I've been here for years and if you go through my posts you'll see that I'm not awaiting to slag anyone off. I'm even sad to say the stuff I say about Beady Eye. But as of yet, everything they put out bar Four Letter Word, as a fan, I've been going "Ah come on..." everytime. |
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Post by The Chief on Jan 12, 2011 7:44:25 GMT -5
Nice. Now every thread end up in rip off discussion Fuck. Just google 'plagiarism in rock music'. It will widen your horizons. Yeah that's absolutely true though. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jan 12, 2011 7:47:15 GMT -5
The man has maybe wrote 3 good songs in his life (Songbird, BOADC and IOT). Where are we all expecting these masterpieces to come out of? We've heard three original BE songs. BTL is a load of shite regardless of who wrote it. FLW is IMO a very good song. Not brilliant, not a classic but good. The Roller is average. It's rips far too heavily from IK. There's nothing wrong with riping off something just not this heavily and before you say it, no. I don not like Shakermaker. I hate Shakermaker, its utter shit imo. But as a Led Zep fan I find it hard to understand that you would criticise a little rip off so much. Dazed And Confused anyone? The difference with Led Zeppelin is when they ripped someone off they made the songs better. Jimmy Page (more often than not) added entirely original guitar parts to songs and they made them their own. Noel to an extent is very good at ripping someone off and making it his own (look at the 3 or 4 rip off in DLBIA and see how he makes it his own). I'm going to criticise BE no matter what they put out? Really? Well maybe if they put out some good songs I'd give them credit. As I've said I really like FLW (should have been the single). I'll also give them credit for their oasis contributions: Songbird, Born on a Different Cloud, I'm Outta Time, Turn Up the Sun (Keep the Dream Alive could have been brilliant if the outro wasn't three days long and I never liked Eyeball Tickler). So that's 4 good songs from 3 4 albums? And you're wondering why i've been critical of the band? BE aren't very good based on what we've heard so far and the majority on this forum would admit it too if the leads singers surname wasn't Gallagher. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jan 12, 2011 7:49:06 GMT -5
Nice. Now every thread end up in rip off discussion Fuck. Just google 'plagiarism in rock music'. It will widen your horizons. Yeah that's absolutely true though. I don't mind plagiarism in rock providing it's done right, Liam needs to learn to rip someone off a bit better (and rip off someone other than John Lennon) |
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Post by spyrosfab4 on Jan 12, 2011 7:52:33 GMT -5
Why do i have the feeling that SOTEON,despite its laughable ''get back'' ripoff,is gonna be A FUCKING MONSTER ROCKER???
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 12, 2011 7:52:58 GMT -5
Because a song didn't take long to write is not certain to reflect on its quality. Songbird is a beauty of a song and even if you don't like it I can't believe that you can't appreciate its quality. I've seen your posts before, and the same as the oasistoonfan, it doesn't matter what they put out. You'll be there ready to sling some mud at it. How have Beady Eye sunk low? This sort of thing escapes me. On the contrary! I was eagerly awaiting the first Beady Eye songs and was really disapointed. The I thought I'd wait for the rest...I like Four Letter Word and thought "Ah that's more like it". Then the previews were leaked...ugh... You have to be able to appreciate things for what they are. I'm not a fan that will love everything Oasis/Beady Eye will put out. If Liam had the talent to write a great song in 10 minutes, that wouldn't even be a point. Songbird could've been written by a 12 year old teenager learning how to play guitar. The text is cute, played on two chords. Quality? Nah. But you say you've seen my posts before. I've been here for years and if you go through my posts you'll see that I'm not awaiting to slag anyone off. I'm even sad to say the stuff I say about Beady Eye. But as of yet, everything they put out bar Four Letter Word, as a fan, I've been going "Ah come on..." everytime. Why should a songs quality be decided by how many chords it contains? A 12 year old didn't write it though Liam Gallagher did, and I've heard nothing else that it really sounds like. And Take Part Of The Queue for example, blatant Golden Brown rip off and I don't really like it at all, its not my thing. But I do appreciate what a well written song it is and why people would love it. Its not hard to make that distinction. I'm beginning to think The Roller is distinctly average imo, but its well produced and I can see why people would enjoy it so much. I think its pretty obvious that the Noel fans here slate Liam's work because its Liam. In a bizzare way they post like a big brother slagging off the little one. He's an idiot, a 12 year old could do that......etc |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 12, 2011 8:01:06 GMT -5
It's still and always confusing that both of you have a same avatar, UGHF and NL4E.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 12, 2011 8:52:39 GMT -5
On the contrary! I was eagerly awaiting the first Beady Eye songs and was really disapointed. The I thought I'd wait for the rest...I like Four Letter Word and thought "Ah that's more like it". Then the previews were leaked...ugh... You have to be able to appreciate things for what they are. I'm not a fan that will love everything Oasis/Beady Eye will put out. If Liam had the talent to write a great song in 10 minutes, that wouldn't even be a point. Songbird could've been written by a 12 year old teenager learning how to play guitar. The text is cute, played on two chords. Quality? Nah. But you say you've seen my posts before. I've been here for years and if you go through my posts you'll see that I'm not awaiting to slag anyone off. I'm even sad to say the stuff I say about Beady Eye. But as of yet, everything they put out bar Four Letter Word, as a fan, I've been going "Ah come on..." everytime. Why should a songs quality be decided by how many chords it contains? A 12 year old didn't write it though Liam Gallagher did, and I've heard nothing else that it really sounds like. And Take Part Of The Queue for example, blatant Golden Brown rip off and I don't really like it at all, its not my thing. But I do appreciate what a well written song it is and why people would love it. Its not hard to make that distinction. I'm beginning to think The Roller is distinctly average imo, but its well produced and I can see why people would enjoy it so much. I think its pretty obvious that the Noel fans here slate Liam's work because its Liam. In a bizzare way they post like a big brother slagging off the little one. He's an idiot, a 12 year old could do that......etc Well to me the number of chords in a song can sometimes be a gauge of quality. It depends how it's done. You can have very little chords in a song and make something spectacular with it. A lot of the Beatles songs have very little or basic chords and no one's gonna argue on the quality of those songs. Same with a lot of Noel's stuff. Songbird is, to me, both enjoyable and skipable. But that's all a question of taste. A lot of Oasis fans don't like Born on a different cloud. I love it. A lot of people complain about I'm Outta Time's lyrics. But that song is awesome to me. I think that, at the end of the day, it's all a matter of taste which is why I commend Liam for saying "if you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't buy it". Because you cannot reach everyone. Anyhow, I'm going a bit all over the place with my arguments here  |
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Post by alwaysnow on Jan 12, 2011 11:03:14 GMT -5
I think that, at the end of the day, it's all a matter of taste which is why I commend Liam for saying "if you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't buy it". Because you cannot reach everyone. Yeah, I think that's it. What I don't like is people assuming why do other people like a song (or not), and dismissing the opinion of others. In the end, it's all coming down to personal taste, and feeling the music or not. Take for example someone said that Liam, Andy and Gem's contributions to Oasis were just fillers. Well, it's been clear the strongest songwriter has always been Noel, but to me, I've quite enjoyed LAG's songs in general (and that's why I've always been excited to listen to what Beady Eye have to offer). They are different and fresh to my ears. I would rank very high an album with a tracklist made up of Turn Up The Suns, Guess God Thinks I'm Abels and To Be Where There's Lifes. |
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Post by The Chief on Jan 12, 2011 13:06:13 GMT -5
That was me who said that But I have the bad habit of thinking people will take for granted that I mean TO ME PERSONALLY they're mostly fillers. |
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Post by alwaysnow on Jan 12, 2011 13:40:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I kinda use it too much since it's obvious we are just expressing our opinions.  |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 12, 2011 15:02:45 GMT -5
I think that Songbird was a great tune, for what it was. A small acoustic ditty. It's not rocket science or experimental...but it was good. My favorite thing about it is the fact the it only has 2 minutes of ideas...so it is only 2 minutes long.
What I have like least about some LG songs have been the fact that though they have a good base a a couple good ideas they outstay their welcome...most of them seem to tread water quite a bit before they finish. That includes FLW and BTL. (don't know if FLW has anything to do with Liam...but BTL was the bigger offender anywasy and we know that was Liam)
As for Andy and Gem. They have nothing to prove as musicians but neither have impressed overly in the songwriting department. (other than TUTS which was pretty great)
I'll finished by saying everything above is IMO
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Post by caats19 on Jan 12, 2011 16:17:01 GMT -5
i think songbird is like a mini classic. And i like to think i'm generally objective when it comes to oasis. I think HC is absolutely awful, but songbird is great.
Liam's acoustic slower songs have always been better than his rockers. I'm not sure what else people would expect besides what we're getting. Sounds good to me.
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 12, 2011 16:25:45 GMT -5
BOADC is great, can't believe Liam wrote it with 3 key changes. Songbird is his definitive song til now. IOT is also very good, nice singing.
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Post by BlueJay on Jan 13, 2011 1:40:11 GMT -5
Because a song didn't take long to write is not certain to reflect on its quality. Songbird is a beauty of a song and even if you don't like it I can't believe that you can't appreciate its quality. I've seen your posts before, and the same as the oasistoonfan, it doesn't matter what they put out. You'll be there ready to sling some mud at it. How have Beady Eye sunk low? This sort of thing escapes me. On the contrary! I was eagerly awaiting the first Beady Eye songs and was really disapointed. The I thought I'd wait for the rest...I like Four Letter Word and thought "Ah that's more like it". Then the previews were leaked...ugh... You have to be able to appreciate things for what they are. I'm not a fan that will love everything Oasis/Beady Eye will put out. If Liam had the talent to write a great song in 10 minutes, that wouldn't even be a point. Songbird could've been written by a 12 year old teenager learning how to play guitar. The text is cute, played on two chords. Quality? Nah. But you say you've seen my posts before. I've been here for years and if you go through my posts you'll see that I'm not awaiting to slag anyone off. I'm even sad to say the stuff I say about Beady Eye. But as of yet, everything they put out bar Four Letter Word, as a fan, I've been going "Ah come on..." everytime. Shoot You Down, This Is the One and Elephant Stone - all classic roses songs, all had just 3 chords. Get Back by Beatles, Hound Dog by Elvis, Pride by U2 all had 2 chords. Waterloo Sunset, apparently the most beautiful song ever written according to some high profile critics - 3 chords. Hell, Within You, Without You had 1 chord. Oh yeah and Columbia, classic oasis song - 3 chords. You must understand that the quality of a song lies not in the complexity of the musical theory, but in how effective it is in resonating with the listener. A thousand brilliant melodies could be constructed over the two chords of G and Em - Songbird is one of them.  |
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Post by The Chief on Jan 13, 2011 7:03:29 GMT -5
Yes I know that's what I added in another post! But as far as Songbird is concerned, it's definitely a toe tapper, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm only saying it's not the Godsent song everyone, including Noel, makes out of it. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 13, 2011 9:02:22 GMT -5
Yes I know that's what I added in another post! But as far as Songbird is concerned, it's definitely a toe tapper, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm only saying it's not the Godsent song everyone, including Noel, makes out of it. God told me the other day it was one of his favourite songs tbf. |
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Jan 13, 2011 9:40:03 GMT -5
On the contrary! I was eagerly awaiting the first Beady Eye songs and was really disapointed. The I thought I'd wait for the rest...I like Four Letter Word and thought "Ah that's more like it". Then the previews were leaked...ugh... You have to be able to appreciate things for what they are. I'm not a fan that will love everything Oasis/Beady Eye will put out. If Liam had the talent to write a great song in 10 minutes, that wouldn't even be a point. Songbird could've been written by a 12 year old teenager learning how to play guitar. The text is cute, played on two chords. Quality? Nah. But you say you've seen my posts before. I've been here for years and if you go through my posts you'll see that I'm not awaiting to slag anyone off. I'm even sad to say the stuff I say about Beady Eye. But as of yet, everything they put out bar Four Letter Word, as a fan, I've been going "Ah come on..." everytime. Shoot You Down, This Is the One and Elephant Stone - all classic roses songs, all had just 3 chords. Get Back by Beatles, Hound Dog by Elvis, Pride by U2 all had 2 chords. Waterloo Sunset, apparently the most beautiful song ever written according to some high profile critics - 3 chords. Hell, Within You, Without You had 1 chord. Oh yeah and Columbia, classic oasis song - 3 chords. You must understand that the quality of a song lies not in the complexity of the musical theory, but in how effective it is in resonating with the listener. A thousand brilliant melodies could be constructed over the two chords of G and Em - Songbird is one of them. Get Back has 3, more if you count the variations on the A, D, and G. Hound Dog has 3 (C, F, and G) Pride (In The Name Of Love) has 5 (B, E, A, F#m, D) Waterloo Sunset has 6 (D, A, G, Em, B, E7) and more if you count the A7 as separate from A and the Em7 as separate from the Em chord. Obviously simple songs can be brilliant, and those are still relatively simple, but obviously none of those had the number of chords you stated. |
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Post by NYR on Jan 13, 2011 18:36:04 GMT -5
^ absolutely right. +k
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