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Post by uboasis on Dec 28, 2010 15:20:42 GMT -5
Back in 1994 Liam was perceived as a Rockstar Holligan, who was a great frontman but probably destined for a life of trouble. It was also perceived that he was completely dependent of his brother. He was getting arrested. In 2000, he was going through a messy divorce and was writing songs like Little James.
Who would have thought that in 2010 he'd be:
- The first Gallagher to get going on a new album
- Running a successful fashion line
- Not throwing his money away to drugs and other stuff.
- Backing a movie about Apple Records in the late 60s
- Would be (by all accounts) a very good and responsible father.
- Probably become the more 'fan friendly' Gallagher brother.
- Writing songs that are at least halfway decent
- Would recognize he needs Andy and Gem and not make the band all about him (although the media does).
What's great about it, is that even though he's become a more well-rounded person that people would have perceived in 1994-2000, he still has that cockiness about him that fans like. More importantly, he's still making good music.
I think he deserves a lot of credit.
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 28, 2010 15:30:50 GMT -5
agreed, i think he DOES deserve a lot of credit... not long ago, i wrote him off as 'mr. pretty green' , it seemed to me that his passion for the music had died, but from what i have seen... and heard recently, it looks like liam's love for the music has never been greater... clearly he has put in a lot of time and effort into making this beady eye thing work  now he has: as you said, a successful clothing line, a loving family, and a powerhouse band that will surely silence even the harshest of critics. he's really got it together! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 18:04:29 GMT -5
too right, he does seem to give fans alot more time of day (than Noel) and seldom creates controversy. plus he always gives credit to Gem & Andy, who the media ignore completely.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Dec 28, 2010 18:41:17 GMT -5
Liam is growin up.
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Post by mrshakermaker94 on Dec 28, 2010 19:39:40 GMT -5
When oasis split up, i always thought that liam would be bitter and not letting it go. But he's shown a different side to himself by being mature about it. He could have been giving it beans it the media but credit to him, he got busy with the film, pretty green, beady eye and obviously his family. He seems to appreciate andy and gem more than i ever remember noel doing, like he mentioned in an interview about andy being on fire and saying that its a band not just about him. Team liam and proud  |
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Post by putthisin ® on Dec 28, 2010 20:43:46 GMT -5
I thinks it's great him growing up, but he's loosing his charismatic self. Well, a part of it at least.
It's like he were a different person comparing to the 90's when he would laugh at and break the nose to the guy who would predict his future.
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Post by bradhorse on Dec 28, 2010 20:47:07 GMT -5
I believe Liam has matured some, although in nearly twenty years if he hadn't mature any then I'd be very worried.
I think what he did at the Brits was wrong, and that was very recently so maybe he hasn't matured all that much. For WTSMG all Liam did on the album was be told 'okay you sing these words here' and then he did... bit of a monkey-see monkey-do scenario. Yet when the album wins best album of (however many?) years he goes on and makes a deliberate point of not thanking Noel (the guy who, as we all know, wrote the entire album). Now it would'v been fair enough if he'd just not thanked anyone and said 'This means a lot to me' or whatever but he came out and thanked everyone except Noel... to make a point about it and try and score some points in a point scoring excercise he thinks he's on.
To be fair to Liam I have seem him in other interviews and he's just like 'Yeah maybe I was in the wrong, but I think he wanted out and fair play to him, we're gonna do our thing and he's gonna do his' which is a far more mature attitude... But when it's a big event or he knows there's going to more than the hardcore Oasis listeners paying attention Liam always lives up to his wee-man syndrome (he's the younger brother deemed lucky to have his older brother) and tries to put Noel down and make himself look big.
It's pop, though classic, psychology but Liam is a man with an inferiority complex towards Noel that he probably doesn't even know he has. I think if Noel and Liam were in the same room for 6 hours and sat and shared a drink or a few joints and just talked about their career with the knowledge that nothing ever scaped the confinds of that room then Liam would be very, very, very complimentary of Noel... it just so happens that because of who he is, or pretends to be, he can't ever admit it.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 28, 2010 21:36:15 GMT -5
^ some good points there.
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Post by Marcos on Dec 28, 2010 22:27:52 GMT -5
I think what he did at the Brits was wrong, and that was very recently so maybe he hasn't matured all that much. For WTSMG all Liam did on the album was be told 'okay you sing these words here' and then he did... bit of a monkey-see monkey-do scenario. Yet when the album wins best album of (however many?) years he goes on and makes a deliberate point of not thanking Noel (the guy who, as we all know, wrote the entire album). Now it would'v been fair enough if he'd just not thanked anyone and said 'This means a lot to me' or whatever but he came out and thanked everyone except Noel... to make a point about it and try and score some points in a point scoring excercise he thinks he's on. I agree with everything you said except this sentence. Noel wrote the songs but Liam gave them life. Can you really imagine the entire MG sung by Noel? As much as I love Noel's voice, that would suck big time! You're right about what he did at the Brits. That was wrong! But I guess Liam was just being Liam at that moment  |
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Post by ETrilk on Dec 28, 2010 22:29:42 GMT -5
I think this is a brilliant post. I've always been a Liam fan (not to slag Noel of course) and am loving this new band. Can't wait for the record and more importantly can't wait to see them play a small venue in Chicago... the U.S.'s most friendly town for the Gallagher brothers.
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Post by bradhorse on Dec 28, 2010 22:52:28 GMT -5
I think what he did at the Brits was wrong, and that was very recently so maybe he hasn't matured all that much. For WTSMG all Liam did on the album was be told 'okay you sing these words here' and then he did... bit of a monkey-see monkey-do scenario. Yet when the album wins best album of (however many?) years he goes on and makes a deliberate point of not thanking Noel (the guy who, as we all know, wrote the entire album). Now it would'v been fair enough if he'd just not thanked anyone and said 'This means a lot to me' or whatever but he came out and thanked everyone except Noel... to make a point about it and try and score some points in a point scoring excercise he thinks he's on. I agree with everything you said except this sentence. Noel wrote the songs but Liam gave them life. Can you really imagine the entire MG sung by Noel? As much as I love Noel's voice, that would suck big time! I apologise, I obviously came a bit anti-Liam there. In my honest opinion Liam Gallagher's vocals at his peak are the greatest vocals in rock history. I love that man's voice, even nowadays when he's a bit too nasaly and really to be honest struggling for notes I would still rather listen to his voice over every other artist in the world. I genuinely and honestly love Liam's vocals. But being born with the ability to sing is no talent, well it is but in a way that means it takes no real effort or work ethic. To me the true geniuses and heroes in life are the people who are born with a bit of talent and work hard at it and become the greatest in their field. In my opinion Liam was born with a God-given set of vocal chords that were truely incredible but during the studio sessions he didn't put any effort in when he was more than 3 feet from the microphone. Hell, I've got an oasis book that says (i'm paraphrasing) that during the recording of Champagne Supernova, Liam was barely even paying attention and had been on the drink and to the pub and had even brought people back with him to the studio and then gone on to do his vocal. I'm sorry, but if a man can go out on the drink and then go back to the studio and record the vocal that he did for Champagne Supernova then he is gifted, not talented. Liam never worked for his succes, Noel worked hard and deserves to be where he is. Sorry I've written a bit of an essay there but I've had a few festive beverages and everyone knows what that's like. I love liam's voice an equal amount that I do Noel's songwriting... All the best Oasis tunes were Noel-written and Liam-sung and that's why I hope one day these two stubborn brothers can get over themselves and make music together again. |
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 28, 2010 23:23:44 GMT -5
I'm really impress by how Liam is becoming a business man, doing Pretty Green, Beady Eye and other side projects. On the other hand, Noel is being a lazy bastard nowdays, they kind of inverted their roles.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Dec 29, 2010 0:43:47 GMT -5
I'm really impress by how Liam is becoming a business man, doing Pretty Green, Beady Eye and other side projects. On the other hand, Noel is being a lazy bastard nowdays, they kind of inverted their roles. Its because Noel doesnt really have anything to prove, while Liam still has a lot |
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Post by noelliamnoel on Dec 29, 2010 0:53:47 GMT -5
Do you all think Liam was born with the songwriting talent (like his older brother), or do you think he slowly acquired the skill from watching Noel all those years?
It's clear that Noel was given a gift from God, but when and how did Liam "learn" to be a mature songwriter? Btw, Wigwam could be my new favorite song (just based on the 30 sec of its beauty).
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Post by bradhorse on Dec 29, 2010 0:58:59 GMT -5
Do you all think Liam was born with the songwriting talent (like his older brother), or do you think he slowly acquired the skill from watching Noel all those years? It's clear that Noel was given a gift from God, but when and how did Liam "learn" to be a mature songwriter? Btw, Wigwam could be my new favorite song (just based on the 30 sec of its beauty). That's a very good point (to me anyway). I've not really thought about how over the years Liam has acquired the skill of songwriting... fair play to you friend. |
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Post by oneeye on Dec 29, 2010 2:28:16 GMT -5
Do you all think Liam was born with the songwriting talent (like his older brother), or do you think he slowly acquired the skill from watching Noel all those years? It's clear that Noel was given a gift from God, but when and how did Liam "learn" to be a mature songwriter? Btw, Wigwam could be my new favorite song (just based on the 30 sec of its beauty). That's a very good point (to me anyway). I've not really thought about how over the years Liam has acquired the skill of songwriting... fair play to you friend. well Liam has loads to write about (if he can remember them) ;D Like with the guitar - I think Liam gradually picked things up from the rest of the band - but only after 2000 when Gem and Andy joined, before that I dont think he was too bothered. |
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Post by idledreamer on Dec 29, 2010 4:31:48 GMT -5
I thinks it's great him growing up, but he's loosing his charismatic self. Well, a part of it at least. It's like he were a different person comparing to the 90's when he would laugh at and break the nose to the guy who would predict his future. yes, but people change... liam's not the same person he was 15 years ago, neither are you or i --- or anyone else reading this post... if they said they are they would be lying. |
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Post by sultrysummer on Dec 29, 2010 4:35:41 GMT -5
But when it's a big event or he knows there's going to more than the hardcore Oasis listeners paying attention Liam always lives up to his wee-man syndrome (he's the younger brother deemed lucky to have his older brother) and tries to put Noel down and make himself look big. It's pop, though classic, psychology but Liam is a man with an inferiority complex towards Noel that he probably doesn't even know he has. I think if Noel and Liam were in the same room for 6 hours and sat and shared a drink or a few joints and just talked about their career with the knowledge that nothing ever scaped the confinds of that room then Liam would be very, very, very complimentary of Noel... it just so happens that because of who he is, or pretends to be, he can't ever admit it. I assume you are talking the post-split period here? I'd be very surprised if Liam was praising Noel now - but then, bar the Brits incident which I agree was below-the-belt, Liam hasn't been Noel-bashing either. And Noel, as we all know, hasn't said a word. In a larger context, however, I'm always surprised how Noel and Liam are viewed as always putting each other down. Having followed them since 1994, there are masses of interviews where they are almost sickeningly:-) complimentary of each other and full of praise. Noel, from 1997: " Liam is the only one in the entire world that can express my songs in the way he does. And he is the only one who can bring a sense of warmth to my songs. I'll say without exaggeration that, he is a special person in all ways possible as a human being." Again, from 1997: I wanna confound me, I wanna confound him (Liam). When I play him the demos of the next album I want him to tell me that he ain’t gonna sing it because it’s naff, and I’ll think, well, we’re getting somewhere now… As long as he (Liam) likes it… When I’m sure about something, then I only need him to like it, to say, ‘Yes, you’re right.’ And he can sit down and say what he likes, like ‘I’m just the singer’, but it’s his band.And: "(Noel) Gallagher goes on to say that Liam always "knows what I'm goin' on about, even when I'm goin' on about nothing. We have the same sort of semi-delinquent state of mind. And I've always realized the importance of him--it's just that Liam doesn't think that I do. Liam seems to think that I think he's a shithead, but I don't." Pause. Then a declaration. "I don't think he's any more--or any less--than the greatest singer in show business. Simple as that."Noel, in 2002: "I respect Liam's opinion more than anybody else's on the planet.”And these are just a few examples. If this is not love & approval & complimentary, then I don't know what is. As for Liam's songwriting, in many cases Noel seems to be his biggest fan, taking into account the reviews Liam's early songs got. E.g. from 2002: " "What's really changed is that I'm no longer the main songwriter. I'm one of the songwriters and the best songwriter may well be Liam. His three songs are absolutely mega. I mean, really. You wait until you hear them, people are going to be very, very surprised at how good he is."And from 2005: "He's got... well, the…the jump in class from Little James to Songbird was amazing, because Songbird is such a great song and it's really, really simple, and the jump again in class from Songbird to Guess God Thinks I'm Abel, and the meaning is massive, so he's getting there, but you've got to kind of whisper, let's whisper it between me, you and the rest of the world, you know, because he can get a bit big headed, you know. But he's doing great. I mean, I love his... love his songs, you know, and that's probably the biggest compliment I can pay him."As for Liam's - often quite bizarre - declarations of love & respect towards Noel, there are so many of them I'd probably better stop here:-). Suffice it to say that I really don't think the problem was/is that they "didn't communicate enough". What I've always felt is that what they wanted from each other (Liam more than Noel, IMO) was something so out-of-this-world total and overwhelming that it could never materialize. |
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Post by sultrysummer on Dec 29, 2010 5:10:18 GMT -5
That's a very good point (to me anyway). I've not really thought about how over the years Liam has acquired the skill of songwriting... fair play to you friend. well Liam has loads to write about (if he can remember them) ;D Like with the guitar - I think Liam gradually picked things up from the rest of the band - but only after 2000 when Gem and Andy joined, before that I dont think he was too bothered. Since I'm now in full quotes mood please bear with me:-). Re: Liam's songwriting, along the years Liam: “Noel won’t let me write, but I can’t really yet anyway.” (1994)“ Noel - again - has a different view, saying that he was the one trying to get Liam to write: “He wasn't interested. He absolutely was not interested. He couldn't play the guitar then. And he isn't... he's not what you would call a bone fide guitarist, you know, he can't, I don't think he can play anybody else's songs, you know, he can only play his own, I fucking love that about him. I'm quite envious about that, that he's got his thing for him and it's for him alone and... but no, he was not interested until I kind of said, look, you might try getting your fucking finger out, you know."These sound quite depressing, but it's getting better... First, Noel is adamant that he is the one who taught Liam: With Liam I taught him how to write songs anyway, so he's gonna write in the same style as I. (From 2001) In 2002, Noel is full of praise: “Yeah, well, it's like that with our records, you know. A lot of people say to me, oh, you're always dissing your own records, but it's like, I'm allowed... I'm allowed to pull them apart, but no one else is, you know. But I love Liam and he... his songwriting is... he's surprised me that he's thrown himself into the songwriting and he's that good, I have to say, he surprised me in that department."Also, based on this Noel quote from late 2008, it seems Beady Eye has a long list of songs to complete: “Liam’s really good. Y’know the thing about Liam is, you’ve not even heard the half of it. If he could even be bothered to finish some of the songs he started. Honestly, they’re amazing. But he suffers from the curse of the Gallaghers, it’s just like, ‘Fucking hell, can’t finish it’. I’ve got demos of his at home with about 40 tunes which, if he could be bothered finishing, would be amazing.” " |
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Post by skinfullofdope on Dec 29, 2010 5:49:03 GMT -5
after being a massive oasis fan virtually right from the begining i was gutted when they broke up and i had serious doubts about the whole pretty green/beady eye thing! but i have been proved wrong!i bought a pretty green t-shirt from selfridges in brum and i was invited to a v.i.p party hosted by liam himself!! free champagne all night,and i got to meet the man himself! shook his hand had my picture taken had a chat with him and he even complemented me about my shoes! he's a top man,the coolest dude is music and was very friendly and happy to talk with all the people!so fair play to him i say!.....and i wish him all the best!
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Post by putthisin ® on Dec 29, 2010 7:16:29 GMT -5
I thinks it's great him growing up, but he's loosing his charismatic self. Well, a part of it at least. It's like he were a different person comparing to the 90's when he would laugh at and break the nose to the guy who would predict his future. yes, but people change... liam's not the same person he was 15 years ago, neither are you or i --- or anyone else reading this post... if they said they are they would be lying. We're all the same person. What changes is our personality. My post was based on this idea. And, with Liam, it's not a matter of whether he grew up or not. What has growing up anything to do with dressing leopard print jackets and shoes? Anyway, I think I'm moving away from the original post. Let him do all the things he committed to. He's got the money, the will, and the talent. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 10:32:58 GMT -5
I have just read this entire thread, and one thing is very obvious to me. . . you all are so far up Liam's arse you cannot see light without a flashlight.
I love Liam the singer/musician, but Liam the person is pretty well an asshole most of the time. And it's not about Liam vs. Noel, and never was about that. To me, too much is made of people's personal lives in conjunction with their music. While life fuels music, it doesn't make the music. So while i love the music, I don't have to love the person necessarily.
Most of you appear to be giving credit to Liam for things he really never did, namely make those great songs back in the 90's. He had nothing to do with it, and that is documented. The voice is iconic, but a great song is hard to fuck up! So let's take a step back and appreciate Liam for what he TRULY is:
a Singer who dabbles in songwriting from time to time.
Cheers!
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Post by oneeye on Dec 29, 2010 10:46:19 GMT -5
I have just read this entire thread, and one thing is very obvious to me. . . you all are so far up Liam's arse you cannot see light without a flashlight. I love Liam the singer/musician, but Liam the person is pretty well an asshole most of the time. And it's not about Liam vs. Noel, and never was about that. To me, too much is made of people's personal lives in conjunction with their music. While life fuels music, it doesn't make the music. So while i love the music, I don't have to love the person necessarily. Most of you appear to be giving credit to Liam for things he really never did, namely make those great songs back in the 90's. He had nothing to do with it, and that is documented. The voice is iconic, but a great song is hard to fuck up! So let's take a step back and appreciate Liam for what he TRULY is: a Singer who dabbles in songwriting from time to time. Cheers! Firstly, I think you have to "get" where Liam is from to be able to understand his attitude etc - I'm from a similar area and totally understand his attitude. But on top of that he acquired fame and fortune which in some peoples eyes makes them annoyed at people. Oasis wouldn't have been as successful had the songs been sung by anyone else. Fact! Not only did the music scene need the guitars - it also needed Liam and Noels' attitude! |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 29, 2010 11:31:41 GMT -5
I have just read this entire thread, and one thing is very obvious to me. . . you all are so far up Liam's arse you cannot see light without a flashlight. I love Liam the singer/musician, but Liam the person is pretty well an asshole most of the time. And it's not about Liam vs. Noel, and never was about that. To me, too much is made of people's personal lives in conjunction with their music. While life fuels music, it doesn't make the music. So while i love the music, I don't have to love the person necessarily. Most of you appear to be giving credit to Liam for things he really never did, namely make those great songs back in the 90's. He had nothing to do with it, and that is documented. The voice is iconic, but a great song is hard to fuck up! So let's take a step back and appreciate Liam for what he TRULY is: a Singer who dabbles in songwriting from time to time. Cheers! How do you know 'Liam the person is pretty well an asshole most of the time?' ffs. All the fan experiences i've seen on the net of meeting Liam say he's nothing less than a gentleman. You seem to buy into the 'media liam'. I've heard Noel sing full Oasis gigs and barring a few good moments, or the little acoustic tour which by its uniqueness was good. The songs don't carry the same punch without Liam. |
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Post by oneeye on Dec 29, 2010 12:40:41 GMT -5
I have just read this entire thread, and one thing is very obvious to me. . . you all are so far up Liam's arse you cannot see light without a flashlight. I love Liam the singer/musician, but Liam the person is pretty well an asshole most of the time. And it's not about Liam vs. Noel, and never was about that. To me, too much is made of people's personal lives in conjunction with their music. While life fuels music, it doesn't make the music. So while i love the music, I don't have to love the person necessarily. Most of you appear to be giving credit to Liam for things he really never did, namely make those great songs back in the 90's. He had nothing to do with it, and that is documented. The voice is iconic, but a great song is hard to fuck up! So let's take a step back and appreciate Liam for what he TRULY is: a Singer who dabbles in songwriting from time to time. Cheers! How do you know 'Liam the person is pretty well an asshole most of the time?' ffs. All the fan experiences i've seen on the net of meeting Liam say he's nothing less than a gentleman. You seem to buy into the 'media liam'. I've heard Noel sing full Oasis gigs and barring a few good moments, or the little acoustic tour which by its uniqueness was good. The songs don't carry the same punch without Liam. alot of people say the same - they don't see that side of Liam and only go by what they see on the news and in papers. |
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