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Post by OasisFan199 on Dec 26, 2010 18:40:55 GMT -5
OK - old guy here. When the Smiths broke up, everyone thought Morrissey's commercial success was over. Marr was the musical brains of the Smiths, Morrissey the lyricist and showman.
When Morrissey released Viva Hate, suddenly, Morrissey took off commercially. He wrote a classic album that held its own with the Smiths legacy. Marr went on to be a critical success, but a commercial enigma.
Fast forward. Oasis breaks up. Everyone says Liam is done...charismatic frontman, terrible lyricist etc.
BE looks like it will be MEGA. From all I have heard (30 sec previews, FLW, BLT, SOTS) BE is going to be great. The question is Noel going to be like Marr?
I believe BE will show that Liam has legs much like Morrissey did in the late 80s/ 90s.
GO LIAM!!
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Post by error on Dec 27, 2010 7:15:33 GMT -5
Don't get it, mate:
Morrissey wrote the best lyrics and he was the lead singer.
In Oasis it's definitely Noel who wrote the best lyrics.
So I don't think you can compare, that would only make sense if Liam was the guy who also wrote the best lyrics.
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Post by mrjonboyd on Dec 27, 2010 8:59:41 GMT -5
I think you can look at Noel, Liam, Gem & Andy's separate song contributions to Oasis and decide. For me if any of them had the legs of Noel they would have delivered more frequent and better songs than Noel. They didnt.
Thats not to say they wont be capable of some good moments but in terms of career i think noel has a better shot. He's capable of consistently writing mainstream songs without alienating people in the way that Liam has throughout his career.
For what its worth i think Noel was desperate to get rid of the shackles of being in Oasis and i think we'll see more experimental psychedelic moments from him.
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Post by Unlikely Lad on Dec 27, 2010 10:38:06 GMT -5
Morrissey's lyrics are some of the best arounf in my humble opinion, It's really not fair to compare him to Liam.
On the other hand, Liam's got Gem and Andy to support him, I feel Beady will be good, as good as most of the bands out there atm. Granted, this is not much of a compliment to make at the present time..
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Post by gdforever on Dec 27, 2010 11:29:02 GMT -5
I think the comparison is pretty flawed.
The Smiths songwriting was collaborative. Liam and Noel were not.
One of The Smith biggest strengths was their lyrics and that was Moz all over. Liam didn't contribute anything to most of the Oasis hits other than his voice
Also Moz's voice was an integral part of the Smiths sound. In Oasis Noel sang 1 single/album after DM and 2 of the them made it to #1 plus album tracks. His voice is recognizable to fans on a casual listener in a was that Marrs wouldn't have been.
We know what Noel sounds like on his own. It's not going to be a shock. He's been doing it for years.
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Post by LlAM on Dec 27, 2010 11:40:21 GMT -5
Compare it to Rodney Willaims' situation when he left Take That.
Everyone thought his days as a popstar were counted.
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Post by hangthedj on Dec 27, 2010 11:48:25 GMT -5
When Liam writes a song at the same level as Suedehead, you can start comparing them, until then...
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Post by Smige on Dec 27, 2010 14:07:59 GMT -5
To be fair, though, Morrissey never wrote the music to his songs. The music to Suedehead was written by Stephen Street.
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Post by worldsoutro on Dec 27, 2010 15:29:23 GMT -5
No way is Beady eye even close to The Smiths..
"I feel Beady will be good, as good as most of the bands out there atm. Granted, this is not much of a compliment to make at the present time.. "
spot on!
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Post by gdforever on Dec 27, 2010 18:18:18 GMT -5
No way is Beady eye even close to The Smiths.. "I feel Beady will be good, as good as most of the bands out there atm. Granted, this is not much of a compliment to make at the present time.. " spot on! Oasis would = the Smiths In this analog Liam= Moz solo Noel = Marr solo |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 22:28:04 GMT -5
No way is Beady eye even close to The Smiths.. "I feel Beady will be good, as good as most of the bands out there atm. Granted, this is not much of a compliment to make at the present time.. " spot on! You should probably listen to more music then; diversify the palette as some might say. |
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Post by OasisFan199 on Dec 27, 2010 22:58:36 GMT -5
OK...as gdforever said...
Oasis = The Smiths
Liam = Morrissey
Noel = Liam
Alternatively:
Oasis = Stone Roses
Liam = Ian Brown
Noel = John Squire
Either way, the front man "wins"...because to many the voice is the obvious face of a band. For the average viewer (not the rabid fan) Liam is the face of Oasis. And that will help Liam win fans over. And given he has the strong songwriters of Gem & Andy, he will be in good shape.
TO the guy who said when Liam writes a Suedehead then we can talk. Agree. Those first few singles that Moz released were so strong...and so successful.
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Post by manualex on Dec 27, 2010 23:53:00 GMT -5
^ Yet we havent heard of BDI outside of our wonderland(in the same way Moz was at his time) shame but they wont make it like Moz
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Post by worldsoutro on Dec 28, 2010 0:00:07 GMT -5
No way is Beady eye even close to The Smiths.. "I feel Beady will be good, as good as most of the bands out there atm. Granted, this is not much of a compliment to make at the present time.. " spot on! You should probably listen to more music then; diversify the palette as some might say. I do, nothing really new though... I started digging around the 60's to the 90's and was shocked of how many good bands I missed. I love Oasis but some of tghe bands I have been listening too blow them out of the water.. I wasnt saying FLW was bad its a solid song just nothing to jeez over |
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Post by good-rebel on Dec 28, 2010 2:34:54 GMT -5
Morrissey's lyrics are the best so far; but come on you people aint gonna compare him to Liam?
As it is Liam's got Andy and Gem; I believe BDI gonna be great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2010 3:26:37 GMT -5
You should probably listen to more music then; diversify the palette as some might say. I do, nothing really new though... I started digging around the 60's to the 90's and was shocked of how many good bands I missed. I love Oasis but some of tghe bands I have been listening too blow them out of the water.. I wasnt saying FLW was bad its a solid song just nothing to jeez over Should start listening to new music, plenty of excellent stuff. I'd be saddened by the state of modern music if Beady Eye was the best it could muster, but 2010 was a fantastic year for music. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 28, 2010 12:23:06 GMT -5
OK...as gdforever said... Oasis = The Smiths Liam = Morrissey Noel = Liam Alternatively: Oasis = Stone Roses Liam = Ian Brown Noel = John Squire Either way, the front man "wins"...because to many the voice is the obvious face of a band. For the average viewer (not the rabid fan) Liam is the face of Oasis. And that will help Liam win fans over. And given he has the strong songwriters of Gem & Andy, he will be in good shape. TO the guy who said when Liam writes a Suedehead then we can talk. Agree. Those first few singles that Moz released were so strong...and so successful. I don't think you can compare the Smiths or The Stone Roses to Oasis though. Brown and Moz were the sole vocalists. Undisputed frontman. Noel sang @ least 1 single off every album except DM plus album tracks and a shit-load of bsides. Plus Noel did basically all of the promo. That unique to me. |
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Post by putthisin ® on Dec 28, 2010 12:32:16 GMT -5
Many of you are leaving Andy and Gem out of the equation, and why I don't know
Liam wouldn't go anywhere if he was to go solo.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 28, 2010 14:48:46 GMT -5
Many of you are leaving Andy and Gem out of the equation, and why I don't know Liam wouldn't go anywhere if he was to go solo. That's true. But as someone pointed out Moz has had help with his music as well. It's true that an album produced from just Liam solo wound be much less appealing to me than with Andy and Gem. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Dec 28, 2010 16:34:46 GMT -5
OK...as gdforever said... Oasis = The Smiths Liam = Morrissey Noel = Liam Alternatively: Oasis = Stone Roses Liam = Ian Brown Noel = John Squire Either way, the front man "wins"...because to many the voice is the obvious face of a band. For the average viewer (not the rabid fan) Liam is the face of Oasis. And that will help Liam win fans over. And given he has the strong songwriters of Gem & Andy, he will be in good shape. TO the guy who said when Liam writes a Suedehead then we can talk. Agree. Those first few singles that Moz released were so strong...and so successful. Noel differs from Squier and Marr though. Noel has already sang on 3 number 1 songs. |
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Post by martinpaul on Dec 29, 2010 5:32:49 GMT -5
Average songs + voice + prescence will always win out over better songs with no voice or prescence.
Let's be honest here, Noel isn't a Neil Young or a Paul Weller who can play for 2 hours, sing a range of songs and put on a great show.
Noel is a phenomonal songwriter who got lazy in his selection of which songs went onto albums and clearly lost the drive or hunger a long time ago.
I'm sure Noel's debut album will have some brilliant songs on there and I'm 100% sure watching him live will be dull as dishwater because he doesn't have the vocal range, slow acoustic lighters in the air songs will ge great but uptempo, rocking or even punkier numbers just won't be there and if they are they will be shit because he has a passable voice nothing better
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Dec 29, 2010 8:12:06 GMT -5
Average songs + voice + prescence will always win out over better songs with no voice or prescence. Let's be honest here, Noel isn't a Neil Young or a Paul Weller who can play for 2 hours, sing a range of songs and put on a great show. Noel is a phenomonal songwriter who got lazy in his selection of which songs went onto albums and clearly lost the drive or hunger a long time ago. I'm sure Noel's debut album will have some brilliant songs on there and I'm 100% sure watching him live will be dull as dishwater because he doesn't have the vocal range, slow acoustic lighters in the air songs will ge great but uptempo, rocking or even punkier numbers just won't be there and if they are they will be shit because he has a passable voice nothing better Yeah, because Noel could never have songs like Waiting for the Rapture in his set... Oh wait... |
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