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Post by oneeye on Dec 7, 2010 11:31:37 GMT -5
I Am The Walrus
Birthday
Dig It
Drive My Car
Flying
I'm Down
Just some examples from the worlds greatest band!
I was going to supply some other bands but it's really not necessary.
Overreaction in a big way me thinks!!!!!!
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Post by LlAM on Dec 7, 2010 12:16:05 GMT -5
I Am The Walrus Birthday Dig It Drive My Car Flying I'm Down Just some examples from the worlds greatest band! I was going to supply some other bands but it's really not necessary. Overreaction in a big way me thinks!!!!!! Did The Beatles have a track called Chuck & Elvis? |
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Post by oneeye on Dec 7, 2010 12:31:34 GMT -5
I Am The Walrus Birthday Dig It Drive My Car Flying I'm Down Just some examples from the worlds greatest band! I was going to supply some other bands but it's really not necessary. Overreaction in a big way me thinks!!!!!! Did The Beatles have a track called Chuck & Elvis? who cares, they're just song titles. Noel got mocked for years because he mentioned lyrics in songs So why not just be straight forward and put them as a title - may as well if they do get criticised for it! |
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 7, 2010 13:05:57 GMT -5
None of those Beatles songs are bad names. You really have no argument here, because there's no defending Beatles and Stones. Chuck And Elvis is a great analogy to make. That would be equally stupid, but no, the Beatles did not have a song title like that.
It's fine if you admit the name's shit and say "who cares, they're just song titles" but don't act like Beady Eye are just doing what every band does.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2010 13:10:18 GMT -5
The title's don't make the songs, rather the songs make the titles.
No one is going to remember a shit song with a fantastic name. But people will remember a fantastic song with a shit name, and over time that shit name will become less shit as the song itself takes center stage.
If Beatles and Stones is somehow the next "Live Forever" - for the sake of an analogy - no one is going to care about the name!
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 7, 2010 13:15:22 GMT -5
^ True, no one will deny that. But are you going to bank on Beatles and Stones being the next Live Forever? Again, let's not set the bar that high, for the boys' sake. Say the next I'm Outta Time, because Liam had fuck all to do with writing Live Forever.
And like I said in another thread, the reason we analyze things like this is because Liam has not proven he can write quality lyrics consistently. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial. He can churn out a decent tune here and there, but he admits himself he struggles with lyrics.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 7, 2010 15:10:21 GMT -5
The fact is that it's a bit of a crap name. It doesn't mean it's going to be a crap song. Butjust because we don't know what the song sounds like doesn't mean we can't say the name is crap. If the song is great then we may forget how crap it is....but right now we only have the titles. It simple and shallow analysis @ this point because we don't have any information with substance. With the information given we can only say it's a dodgy title. I don't think anyone is realistically indicting the song on that basis.
So why don't the mourners stop moaning about others moaning about the name. It's very annoying everytime anyone says anything negative about BDI there is a thread popping up to have a go @ those people and saying that they shouldn't judge them. We are fans...we ARE going to judge them regularly and ruthlessly. Just like we did Oasis.
The best we can hope is that it was just a working title that stuck (like The Hindu Times...although HT is a better title IMO) and that Beatles and Stones doesn't appear directly in the lyrics.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2010 18:51:14 GMT -5
The best we can hope is that it was just a working title that stuck (like The Hindu Times...although HT is a better title IMO) and that Beatles and Stones doesn't appear directly in the lyrics. Granted "Beatles and Stones" may be cringe worthy in lyrical mentioning, but let's think back to TSOTL. People were so upset with the name "The Shock of the Lightning", so much so that one member promised to burn down his house if the title appeared in the lyrics. After listening to the song, I think said member decided to keep his house - what a tune! TSOTL proves my entire point. Everyone criticized the name, and overreacted before hearing it. Then we all enjoyed it, and it's one of the best on DOYS, now no one cares about the name. The name isn't seen as bad anymore because the song is a proper belter. Again, if the song is good, the name will become popular as people will associate the name to a good tune. It's that simple. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 7, 2010 19:56:29 GMT -5
The best we can hope is that it was just a working title that stuck (like The Hindu Times...although HT is a better title IMO) and that Beatles and Stones doesn't appear directly in the lyrics. Granted "Beatles and Stones" may be cringe worthy in lyrical mentioning, but let's think back to TSOTL. People were so upset with the name "The Shock of the Lightning", so much so that one member promised to burn down his house if the title appeared in the lyrics. After listening to the song, I think said member decided to keep his house - what a tune! TSOTL proves my entire point. Everyone criticized the name, and overreacted before hearing it. Then we all enjoyed it, and it's one of the best on DOYS, now no one cares about the name. The name isn't seen as bad anymore because the song is a proper belter. Again, if the song is good, the name will become popular as people will associate the name to a good tune. It's that simple. That is a stupid analogy. TSOTL was and is a fine title. There is nothing wrong with it in my books and never was. BaS is a whole other level of bad. The member that promised to burn his house down was obviously psychotic...so I hardly rate their opinion. I already said that noone would hate a good song because of a bad name. But I tell u this...Beatles and Stones may be an awesome song...and I may forget how stupid a name it is most of the time...but I will never think it's not a bit cringe-worthy when I actually sit back and think about it. Frankly I am glad for the common practice of abbreviating titles...means I have to think about the actual song name less often. LOL |
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Post by mkoasis on Dec 8, 2010 3:27:07 GMT -5
Actually, NL4E is right, TSOTL got a hell of a bashing when the title was first revealed. I recall the THT did too.
Ok so you don't like the name, that's fine. But wait till you hear the song before you decide whether its that bad. You might be surprised.
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Post by oneeye on Dec 8, 2010 3:34:37 GMT -5
Actually, NL4E is right, TSOTL got a hell of a bashing when the title was first revealed. I recall the THT did too. Ok so you don't like the name, that's fine. But wait till you hear the song before you decide whether its that bad. You might be surprised. it wasn't the Shock of the Lightning title that got a bashing, it was the Beatles reference - Magical Mystery Tour! |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 8, 2010 5:05:01 GMT -5
Actually, NL4E is right, TSOTL got a hell of a bashing when the title was first revealed. I recall the THT did too. Ok so you don't like the name, that's fine. But wait till you hear the song before you decide whether its that bad. You might be surprised. The name is bad. TSOTL is not inherently a bad name IMO. I have no idea why people would hate it that much. I wouldn't judge a song by name at any rate. I will judge a name by a name though...which is what we are doing here. Beatles and Stones is pretty crap as a name. Why do people have such a hard time accepting small criticisms related to BDI? It was the same when anyone dared say that BTL had subpar lyrics. At the end of the day the title doesn't matter...the tune matters, we all agree on that...so what does it matter if we acknowledge now that the name is a bit cringeworthy? If it is a great song we may forget a name. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. If that happens it will take care of itself. It's incredible that some people want to shut down any criticism because someday we might think differently. This is such a tiny bit of criticism. Noone is going to say the album is worse for having a track with a dodgy name on it. TODAY all we have is the titles. It's a forum. Everything we post is opinion. we are going to have opinions about the information we are given meaning the titles. There is nothing wrong with that! The constant insistence that we must like everything, and if we don't like it now we shouldn't criticize it because someday we might feel differently is absurd. If people hated TSOTL then they were entitled to their opinion...and they are entitled to change their mind down the line. Welcome to the free world. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 8, 2010 5:27:23 GMT -5
BaS is a pretty horrible name tbf, but if its a good song, any problem with the name will fade quite quickly.
I remember seeing Dig A Pony on the Let It Be album, yeah it sounded cack but after listening to the tune a few times you soon forget about that. haha great title now.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 8, 2010 11:07:40 GMT -5
I think at this point everyone realizes we'll go easier on the title if it's a great tune. It's kind of pointless to keep reiterating the point. It might be a great tune. It might be terrible. And regardless of what happens, it's a terrible title.
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Post by bdiplayer on Dec 8, 2010 13:37:43 GMT -5
'No Elvis, Beatles or Rolling Stones.....in 1977, Knives in West eleven'.
These Strummer/Jones lyrics from an early Clash B-side [from 'White Riot' ] sum up for me the finest lyrical content of this subject. If Beady Eye can approach this level of songsmanship, they will be onto a winner.
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Post by vito81 on Dec 9, 2010 4:22:02 GMT -5
Could it be a cover of this???
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Post by LlAM on Dec 9, 2010 5:09:32 GMT -5
Could it be a cover of this??? "...13 brand new songs written by the band" |
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