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Post by gdforever on Nov 11, 2010 22:28:52 GMT -5
I think we would all agree that one of LAG's biggest weaknesses is their lyrics. It's one of the weakest parts of BTL in my opinion.
What would you guys think if they brought in a lyricist?
Not someone to write them all...but just to help them organise what they want to say into a more eloquent lyric. A consultant basically. Like a producer may help with the arrangement or production direction of a song...a lyricist to give them a hand with the words...
Not that I think that they ever will. But would you guys mind as fans?
Personally, I don't think I would...
I'd almost rather it to cringey lyrics that ruin a song for me...
Don't shoot me please...the board has been getting a bit hostile. I don't mean this as a slight against BDI...just a question...
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Nov 11, 2010 23:49:09 GMT -5
Liam shouldn't be allowed to write anymore songs, period.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 0:08:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure that they help each other out with the lyrics.
Even though Andy was the best lyricist in oasis, you never got
the impression he was asked to help the others.
Noel/Liam or Gem could never come up with stuff like this:
All you need is feeding the hunger
One side forever deciding
The other is forced into hiding
Something dies with that decision
Easy ways to rule by division
Take the advantage to conquer
Until you don't need it no longer
..from "remote control" by h#1
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 14, 2010 15:23:46 GMT -5
Liam could just try harder. BTL sounds as if he just said "it rhymes, so it's good enough".
He can do better, I'm Outta Time wasn't bad.
But a lyricist wouldn't harm BDI. I would rather appreciate it if BDI came up with really good lyrics.
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Post by bonkers on Nov 14, 2010 15:32:02 GMT -5
hmmmm maybe but if that happened we wouldn't be treated to rhymes such as plastacine/trampoline
;D
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Post by oneeye on Nov 14, 2010 15:36:20 GMT -5
"Imagine no poccessions,
I wonder If you can,
No Need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man."
Simple? Yes.
So it's not that Liam CAN'T write.
I think Liam just need to write about something and tell the story, he can definitely do it as we've had BOADC and even Songbird - although simple it kinda went through without being too simple.
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Post by putthisin ® on Nov 14, 2010 16:04:52 GMT -5
I find more important the subject of the song rather than the way it's written.
The lyrics above me are a good example.
I'm sick and tired of cliched lyrics. They might as well keep them simple, but interesting.
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Nov 14, 2010 16:06:22 GMT -5
"Imagine no poccessions, I wonder If you can, No Need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man." Simple? Yes. Simple, but genius. "Baby hold on Baby come on Baby come on You're gettin up, gettin up Baby hold on Baby come on Baby come on You're gettin up, gettin up I bring the light You get to see You bring the love It's ecstacy" Simple? Yes. Still bad. That's the difference. |
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Post by oneeye on Nov 14, 2010 16:19:10 GMT -5
"Imagine no poccessions, I wonder If you can, No Need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man." Simple? Yes. Simple, but genius. "Baby hold on Baby come on Baby come on You're gettin up, gettin up Baby hold on Baby come on Baby come on You're gettin up, gettin up I bring the light You get to see You bring the love It's ecstacy" Simple? Yes. Still bad. That's the difference. it's JUST a rock song - it's about rocking it out! Not about listening to the words for fukin inspiration. Some of you need to get a grip, why are you searching for something in the song, just bang the fuker out your speakers to rock your windows!!!!! |
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Nov 14, 2010 16:26:27 GMT -5
I was just talking about the lyrics not about the music.
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Post by oneeye on Nov 14, 2010 16:32:42 GMT -5
I was just talking about the lyrics not about the music. for me the music is pretty good, so with that type of song I can forget about the lyrics It's not the type of song you will sing along to but just something to put on high volume and rock! I think people are wanting to sing along, whicj we're used to getting with Oasis, maybe we'll get one or two on the album but so far some people are giving Liam a hard time |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 14, 2010 18:33:41 GMT -5
I was just talking about the lyrics not about the music. for me the music is pretty good, so with that type of song I can forget about the lyrics It's not the type of song you will sing along to but just something to put on high volume and rock! I think people are wanting to sing along, which we're used to getting with Oasis, maybe we'll get one or two on the album but so far some people are giving Liam a hard time I sing along with most songs. I sing along with songs from the 50's that this song reminds me of. I'd even sing along with BTL if I liked it. I disagree. I think that every part of a song is important. I think it is laziness that makes someone say, "These lyrics are bad but I don't need good lyrics for this kind of song...so I'll just leave them bad." Maybe you don't care about lyrics in music. But if I do...who are you to judge? I think that the entire vocal contribution, including lyrics, is @ least as important as the guitar parts, bassline, drums, etc. |
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Post by oneeye on Nov 15, 2010 4:18:38 GMT -5
for me the music is pretty good, so with that type of song I can forget about the lyrics It's not the type of song you will sing along to but just something to put on high volume and rock! I think people are wanting to sing along, which we're used to getting with Oasis, maybe we'll get one or two on the album but so far some people are giving Liam a hard time I sing along with most songs. I sing along with songs from the 50's that this song reminds me of. I'd even sing along with BTL if I liked it. I disagree. I think that every part of a song is important. I think it is laziness that makes someone say, "These lyrics are bad but I don't need good lyrics for this kind of song...so I'll just leave them bad." Maybe you don't care about lyrics in music. But if I do...who are you to judge? I think that the entire vocal contribution, including lyrics, is @ least as important as the guitar parts, bassline, drums, etc. but not every song is a "sing-a-long" type song. They are just meant to be played and enjoyed. There are a few Led Zep and Who fans on here - how many of their songs could you sing along to? Not that many. |
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Post by paranoidandroid on Nov 15, 2010 5:44:07 GMT -5
The lyrics are basic and without any depth at all but they prob took an age for Liam to come up with.
Saying that, doesnt have to meaningful as long as the music sounds good which in my opinion it does.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 15, 2010 5:52:44 GMT -5
I sing along with most songs. I sing along with songs from the 50's that this song reminds me of. I'd even sing along with BTL if I liked it. I disagree. I think that every part of a song is important. I think it is laziness that makes someone say, "These lyrics are bad but I don't need good lyrics for this kind of song...so I'll just leave them bad." Maybe you don't care about lyrics in music. But if I do...who are you to judge? I think that the entire vocal contribution, including lyrics, is @ least as important as the guitar parts, bassline, drums, etc. but not every song is a "sing-a-long" type song. They are just meant to be played and enjoyed. There are a few Led Zep and Who fans on here - how many of their songs could you sing along to? Not that many. Good lyrics do not make a song a sing-a-long. The fact that the song is not meant to be 'sung-along' to doesn't mean that they are supposed to be crap. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 15, 2010 11:14:15 GMT -5
I prefer strong lyrics - and as mentioned on the DM, when a song has great lyrics and great melody, etc (Live Forever), you get the perfect song.
That being said, I don't see anyone crying about Obla-di Obla-da. Which is another fun tune in a similar simplistic vein.
Also, I would not want a lyricist hired. I have more respect for bands that write their own tunes completely by themselves. Oasis and BDI are not merely entertainers like Britney Spears. And all members have shown glimpses of their song writing abilities (Andy with TUTS, KTDA, Gem with HIABP and TBWTL, and Liam with SB and IOT, amongst a few others), they just now need to be more consistent.
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Post by LlAM on Nov 15, 2010 11:30:51 GMT -5
I prefer strong lyrics - and as mentioned on the DM, when a song has great lyrics and great melody, etc (Live Forever), you get the perfect song. The lyrics to Live Forever aren't particularly great. in fact they're not much better than Bring The Light. Where Live Forever stands out is that people feel like standing arm in arm and sing along to it, and exactly that is where Oasis succeed and Noel is a genius when it comes to these kind of songs. Where Liam (Beady Eye) fails is that they'll never come up with those killer "punch lines" (Where were you while We were getting high, you and I are gonna live forever, today was gonna be the day they were gonna throw it back to you etc.) |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 15, 2010 11:47:45 GMT -5
but not every song is a "sing-a-long" type song. They are just meant to be played and enjoyed. There are a few Led Zep and Who fans on here - how many of their songs could you sing along to? Not that many. Good lyrics do not make a song a sing-a-long. The fact that the song is not meant to be 'sung-along' to doesn't mean that they are supposed to be crap. Why isn't the song supposed to be sung a long to? It reminds me a bit of Hey Bulldog by the beatles. Not as good for me, but in the same way that the lyrics are nonsence but they work. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 15, 2010 11:51:28 GMT -5
I prefer strong lyrics - and as mentioned on the DM, when a song has great lyrics and great melody, etc (Live Forever), you get the perfect song. The lyrics to Live Forever aren't particularly great. in fact they're not much better than Bring The Light. You can't be serious with that comment, surely?  But you're right in your following analysis: It really succeeds because people can connect to it. But how you don't think the lyrics are strong, I have no idea (Noel isn't Bono, and he doesn't have Obama's speechwriters.....Noel's songs are always more simplistic than being overly artful, but that doesn't necessarily make them weak) |
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Post by LlAM on Nov 15, 2010 12:11:47 GMT -5
The lyrics to Live Forever aren't particularly great. in fact they're not much better than Bring The Light. You can't be serious with that comment, surely? But you're right in your following analysis: It really succeeds because people can connect to it. But how you don't think the lyrics are strong, I have no idea (Noel isn't Bono, and he doesn't have Obama's speechwriters.....Noel's songs are always more simplistic than being overly artful, but that doesn't necessarily make them weak) I'm dead serious. I don't dislike BTL lyrics - they're very down to Earth and fit the song. They're not particularly great though and I feel the sane way about Live Forever. |
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Post by oneeye on Nov 15, 2010 12:28:13 GMT -5
lyrics are easier to appreciate when they are written as someone is basically speaking, where Liam writes as if he's writing poetry - short sharp lines.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 15, 2010 20:57:55 GMT -5
lyrics are easier to appreciate when they are written as someone is basically speaking, where Liam writes as if he's writing poetry - short sharp lines. So you think this is poetic...and that is why some of us don't like the lyrics. Well, that is a bit condescending...and I disagree entirely. I personally don't like the lyrics because I think they are worse than prosaic... "What tongueless ghost of sin crept through my curtains? Sailing on a sea of sweat on a stormy night I think he don't got a name but I can't be certain And in me he starts to confide My pulse pumps out a beat to the ghost dancer My eyes are dead and my throat's like a black hole And if there's a god would he give another chancer An hour to sing for his soul" That is poetry in lyrics... "I see no point in what you’re thinking I’m going out I’m taking you drinking I get the car, you’re getting up I’m standing tall, well fu**ing tough It’s just your way, you hear me wrong I hear you say you’re getting up, getting up" Other than the fact that he's made it rhyme...nothing about it says poetry to me.... It's prose...but very bad prose. Like when you watch a movie with a really bad script, and think, "Who speaks like that?". People expressing down-to-earth sentiments in really abstract and weird ways because the writer is trying to be pretentious. |
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Post by putthisin ® on Nov 16, 2010 11:16:48 GMT -5
lyrics are easier to appreciate when they are written as someone is basically speaking, where Liam writes as if he's writing poetry - short sharp lines. So you think this is poetic...and that is why some of us don't like the lyrics. Well, that is a bit condescending...and I disagree entirely. I personally don't like the lyrics because I think they are worse than prosaic... "What tongueless ghost of sin crept through my curtains? Sailing on a sea of sweat on a stormy night I think he don't got a name but I can't be certain And in me he starts to confide My pulse pumps out a beat to the ghost dancer My eyes are dead and my throat's like a black hole And if there's a god would he give another chancer An hour to sing for his soul" That is poetry in lyrics... "I see no point in what you’re thinking I’m going out I’m taking you drinking I get the car, you’re getting up I’m standing tall, well fu**ing tough It’s just your way, you hear me wrong I hear you say you’re getting up, getting up" Other than the fact that he's made it rhyme...nothing about it says poetry to me.... It's prose...but very bad prose. Like when you watch a movie with a really bad script, and think, "Who speaks like that?". People expressing down-to-earth sentiments in really abstract and weird ways because the writer is trying to be pretentious. I doubt whoever wrote the lyrics for BTL was trying to be pretentious. No pretentious bastard would write such bad lyrics, he would try to make them better than the ones he would be able to |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 16, 2010 14:56:52 GMT -5
So you think this is poetic...and that is why some of us don't like the lyrics. Well, that is a bit condescending...and I disagree entirely. I personally don't like the lyrics because I think they are worse than prosaic... "What tongueless ghost of sin crept through my curtains? Sailing on a sea of sweat on a stormy night I think he don't got a name but I can't be certain And in me he starts to confide My pulse pumps out a beat to the ghost dancer My eyes are dead and my throat's like a black hole And if there's a god would he give another chancer An hour to sing for his soul" That is poetry in lyrics... "I see no point in what you’re thinking I’m going out I’m taking you drinking I get the car, you’re getting up I’m standing tall, well fu**ing tough It’s just your way, you hear me wrong I hear you say you’re getting up, getting up" Other than the fact that he's made it rhyme...nothing about it says poetry to me.... It's prose...but very bad prose. Like when you watch a movie with a really bad script, and think, "Who speaks like that?". People expressing down-to-earth sentiments in really abstract and weird ways because the writer is trying to be pretentious. I doubt whoever wrote the lyrics for BTL was trying to be pretentious. No pretentious bastard would write such bad lyrics, he would try to make them better than the ones he would be able to This is why B-Movies exist. If everyone could write a great script/lyric the script-writing profession wouldn't exist. Everyone would just do it for themselves. I doubt whoever wrote the lyrics was trying to be pretentious...I don't know what their problem is. I think that they just sang the first things that came into their head with the melody...and said "That'll do me" and never looked @ them again. |
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