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Post by spaneli on Nov 8, 2010 21:20:06 GMT -5
I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that the release date is Novermber 22nd. We're just getting too close to that date and the days are running out. I don't know if its BDI trying to do this from kinda scratch or if they're just way in over their heads, but something just doesnt seem right.
I mean if you're about to release a single in less than 2 weeks, then you have to have some kind of promotion other than Facebook, Twitter, & a band website. I mean that just seems very small time to me. Even Oasis for the all fuss that we made about them not promoting stuff, at least they put in some effort and did have just a bit of something.
This single is almost going to me coming out of the blue. I don't care what fan base you are trying to appeal to. You need more people than that of the Oasis fan base to get momentum for something. We are really getting down to the wire and I just personally have not seen the effort.
There's only a few posibilities, A. We are wrong about the release date by a week or two, B. That they really don't know what they are doing and have gotten in way too deep, or C. that they're confident enough in the music to think that they don't need the promotion.
I want to believe that its either A or C. A. would mean that they are truely trying to plan this out and not foul things up. C. would mean that we are truely about to get something pretty good. The only misgivings I have about C, is that I don't think BDI truely believing that they have something good, means that they have something good. I mean Oasis believed that they had a "MEGA" album everytime out, but they were only right about 3 times.
I hope its not B. I hope we are not seeing the first signs of the problems ofa Noel-less Oasis. I hope that we are not seeing why Noel has been in charge for all this time. I really do hope, but I'm finding it harder and harder to believe.
So fingers crosses, eh. ;D
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Post by caats19 on Nov 8, 2010 21:54:30 GMT -5
D. They don't care about single sales anymore.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 8, 2010 22:03:28 GMT -5
^^I personally think that's bs. Thats was the stated excuse from Oasis those last few years & yet we saw promotion. That might be the worst excuse as bad as the "we care if you buy it or not". Its the thing that every artist says, but never really mean. The sales they probably don't care about, but you know what you need more than Oasis fans to fill up any type of large arena or venue.
Last time I checked, you still need to have chart success to do that. Or am I wrong and Oasis didnt need WTSMG & DM to get them into arenas. Thats bs and thats all there is to it. Plus I think Liam alluded to fact that he wants b-sides on his single. If he didnt care about single sales he wouldnt be putting b-sides or even promoting his band some what. He would just release it without any notice, but he hasnt. He's just been lazy in his small promoting.
So I do think that they care just a little bit.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 8, 2010 22:07:43 GMT -5
And if they didnt care about single sales then they wouldnt have done any promotion at all, like make a facebook, twitter, and their own website. Oh yeah they did that for shitz and gigglz. If you don't care about singles sales then dont do any promoting at all.
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Post by BlueJay on Nov 8, 2010 22:13:08 GMT -5
they specifically said that they are only pressing 4,000 copies nad its only gonna be vinyl or something. this clearly shows that they dont care about singles sales - they are being realistic anyway, few people outside this and other oasis forums are gonna bother checking out the single. they probably just wanna tour and play shows to fans.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Nov 8, 2010 22:15:53 GMT -5
Yea, there will be a limited release vinyl...
But the single is going to be downloadable as well
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Post by spaneli on Nov 8, 2010 22:17:04 GMT -5
Yeah but Bluejay, you're assuming that they're wont be any digital sales. They're going to release it digitally. Which is why the they dont care about single sales argument doesnt work. I can almost gaurantee that they're going to release something digitally on I-tunes.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Nov 8, 2010 23:05:43 GMT -5
i for one thought that in 2008, when TSOTL's video was released... it took way too long for the single to become available for purchase. I mean, they were playing the shit out of that song, even here in the States and people wanted to buy it BUT COULDn'T because the single had not been released yet and we had to wait like a whole fucking month or so, which i found ridiculous and thought it would eventually end up hurting the sales.
as it turned out, TSOTL didn't do all that well here in the U.S. however DOYS did pretty damn good, it was #2 on the iTunes albums chart the week it came out and the rest is history.
I think maybe... JUST MAYBE, Liam realizes that if BDI releases the video and the song on the radio say, 7-10 days before single becomes available to buy, it would be more successful in terms of sales.
I could be wrong tho.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 8, 2010 23:32:21 GMT -5
They are not going to release only vinyl...that is immeasurably stupid. Noone could be that stupid.
I am feeling less confident about the date with every passing day.
I think if they don't get it out in November we aren't gonna hear it this year. They'd be stupid to go up again the Christmas rush.
I don't believe that it is B though. Liam isn't brilliant about planning...but I mean...if he has an agent and any kind connection to a label...they have to know that they need to announce it a few weeks prior to release and that they need to play it on radio for a couple weeks before the sale date.
It's not just a lack of promotion...it's a lack of news of any kind.
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Post by Jessica on Nov 8, 2010 23:55:46 GMT -5
Have you ever thought that they could be struggling to even get the single picked up? 6Music, Absolute, and a lot of others will definitely pick it up, but on the top 40 stations it could be another deal. We have to remember that this isn't Oasis, this is Beady Eye. This song isn't written by Noel, it's written by Liam and the other guys.
It's not like when Alex Turner came up with his Last Shadow Puppets, because it was still basically the Arctic Monkeys sound. You could say the same thing with Morrissey, Paul Weller, and Jarvis Cocker.
And we're talking about a guy that had songs that were probably the lowest point of all Oasis albums, except one or two. You already got a taster of what this band could sound like at the end of DOYS and most of you HATE those last songs.
They're working on promotion, I'm sure of it, but maybe it's just the radio producers and big shots who are thinking very carefully about it. Like I said in other posts, it's going to be hard to fit it in with all the really dance/rap/pop songs and Christmas music coming up.
R1 has their playlist meeting on Wednesdays (I think, that's when they update it anyway?), so I would wait until then to really start panicking. It'll probably get played during a chart update on 22nd Monday when it comes out and we'll know where it stands by Wednesday of that week.
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 9, 2010 0:03:53 GMT -5
well singles are irrelevant now!
Hardly any rock acts break into the top5 anymore if anything the album is more important. And if they release two singles with good airplay then that will help the album.
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Post by alwaysnow on Nov 9, 2010 0:16:18 GMT -5
Yeah, first of all, I guess they're seeing the singles more as promotion for the album, instead of promoting the hell out of the singles and then the general public losing interest when the album gets released. According to what we've heard, we can still be like 6 months away from the album being released, probably less, but still months away, so they may be saving energy and resources for promotion. Secondly, all of the Beady Eye members have been in the music business since like 15-20 years ago, and have a professional management team behind them. I guess they know what they're doing, we just have to be patient, they're certainly doing what they consider best for their interests. I'm also eager for some news, but I'm pretty certain that they're about to come very soon. Stay calm and enjoy the wait  |
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Post by jabba69 on Nov 9, 2010 3:47:28 GMT -5
This was in the Sun yesterday... www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3217501/Listen-to-a-clip-from-Liam-Gallaghers-new-band-Beady-Eye.htmlIts basically just on about the website and the 22 second clip. Its a bit worrying tho that theres no mention at all of the single. That columnist Gordan Smart seems to be in the know about most thinks, and you'd think he'd know about any impending single. But he didn't even mention anything about any imminent news about the single. All this is making me think that maybe we're totally wrong about the single? I mean there has been no actual official news. The whole 'holloween news' could just have been the website going live? And as others have said, the recordstore Bring in the Light page could just have been a test page, using rumours from this site to get the single 'name'?! I just think we need some sort of official announcement one way or the other. I know some of you will say Be Patient, etc, etc...but I've been patient for months now! I just want a litttle bit of news!! Wheres this Riddler character when you heed her eh??!! |
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Post by LlAM on Nov 9, 2010 4:04:07 GMT -5
Perhaps this 4.000 issue 7" is being released to promote the band and in fact there's no real single planned until jan/feb ?
Didn't Coldplay do something similar with Violet Hill; released a limited 7" ahead of the single?
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Post by danscouse on Nov 9, 2010 4:51:54 GMT -5
"in way over there heads"  !!! Hahaha, you make it sound like kids who don't know what there doing not multi millionaire successful musicians, backed by management who have been in the business since you were probably getting your nappy changed! You make it sound like it's the 4 of them sat in a cafe making decisions! How arrogant. Singles don't sell anymore, the longer it's on the radio without being able to buy impacts on that, whilst maybe 10,000 singles now and you'll reach the upper reaches of the charts. Whatever the release date that statement was ludicrous..... Considering they've made an album, a single, a video and launched an excellent looking website without any actual music leaking suggests they might just a clue what there doing. |
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Post by bonkers on Nov 9, 2010 5:39:44 GMT -5
may as well lock this thread now
;D
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Post by oasisfanboy on Nov 9, 2010 5:49:47 GMT -5
"In way over their heads" = embarrassing comment.
This is Liam Gallagher, managed by Ignition Management. Only managed Oasis for 15 years, don't worry about it.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Nov 9, 2010 8:47:58 GMT -5
T hey are not going to release only vinyl...that is immeasurably stupid. Noone could be that stupid.
I am feeling less confident about the date with every passing day. I think if they don't get it out in November we aren't gonna hear it this year. They'd be stupid to go up again the Christmas rush. I don't believe that it is B though. Liam isn't brilliant about planning...but I mean...if he has an agent and any kind connection to a label...they have to know that they need to announce it a few weeks prior to release and that they need to play it on radio for a couple weeks before the sale date. It's not just a lack of promotion...it's a lack of news of any kind. actually the vinyl market is the only physical form of music that is consistently growing. it is my belief that all the singles will see a vinyl/digital release. while the album is released on cd, vinyl, and download. Vinyl sales nationwide topped 2.5 million in 2009, a 33 percent increase from 2008's 1.9 million, according to Nielsen SoundScan. At Half Price Books, vinyl sales for the past year were up about 3 percent in Texas. www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/fea/lifetravel/stories/DN-vinyl_0218gd.ART0.State.Edition1.4c0e303.html |
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Post by slystallone on Nov 9, 2010 9:18:53 GMT -5
The song has leaked good luck searching for it! Remember where you hear first:  |
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Post by eva on Nov 9, 2010 9:20:40 GMT -5
who the f*ck cares if it leaked? it'll be available for free tomorrow  |
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Post by slystallone on Nov 9, 2010 9:21:39 GMT -5
only if anyone is in a hurry....
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Post by spaneli on Nov 9, 2010 9:24:22 GMT -5
Well okay Liam has done what he said that he wouldn't do, release music for free. I think its good move by Liam, not because I'm fan but, because by releasing the music for free he'll find a lot more takers than if he sold it. Nice job Liam.
Now let's see how that single holds up.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 9, 2010 9:29:41 GMT -5
"in way over there heads" !!! Hahaha, you make it sound like kids who don't know what there doing not multi millionaire successful musicians, backed by management who have been in the business since you were probably getting your nappy changed! You make it sound like it's the 4 of them sat in a cafe making decisions! How arrogant. Singles don't sell anymore, the longer it's on the radio without being able to buy impacts on that, whilst maybe 10,000 singles now and you'll reach the upper reaches of the charts. Whatever the release date that statement was ludicrous..... Considering they've made an album, a single, a video and launched an excellent looking website without any actual music leaking suggests they might just a clue what there doing. Hit the nail on the head mate. Thread over. |
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Post by caats19 on Nov 9, 2010 9:55:10 GMT -5
i'd much rather buy a single on vinyl than cd.
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Post by ETrilk on Nov 9, 2010 10:52:26 GMT -5
Me as well. Love the vinyl. Especially with everything digital now... can just get the single and burn it onto CD for the car.
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!!! Hahaha, you make it sound like kids who don't know what there doing not multi millionaire successful musicians, backed by management who have been in the business since you were probably getting your nappy changed! You make it sound like it's the 4 of them sat in a cafe making decisions! How arrogant. Singles don't sell anymore, the longer it's on the radio without being able to buy impacts on that, whilst maybe 10,000 singles now and you'll reach the upper reaches of the charts. Whatever the release date that statement was ludicrous..... Considering they've made an album, a single, a video and launched an excellent looking website without any actual music leaking suggests they might just a clue what there doing.
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