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Post by King Blougaredoc on Sept 15, 2009 2:37:07 GMT -5
Well first of, i said since andy & gem joined, so u can drop GP, GLIO & WDIAGW, and none of the rest are classics\anthems, more relevant to my point - none of the rest is better than TUTS or IOT... This guy have a point. I think Oasis needs raw rockers. Like Bag it up, The turning and Shock of the lightning, eh?
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Post by bathqueen on Sept 15, 2009 5:24:31 GMT -5
This guy have a point. I think Oasis needs raw rockers. Like Bag it up, The turning and Shock of the lightning, eh? BIU, TT & TSOTL are no raw rockers. TT is f*cking Adult-alternative. They all havent got the wallofsound production and the melody that a raw rocker like RnRstar or Fade away got... When people go "oh those 3 could never match Noels songwriting", they are (for some reason) thinking about 1995's Noel, not 2008's Noel..........
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Post by Shakermaker on Sept 15, 2009 6:59:06 GMT -5
List of songs written by Liam since SOTSOG
Little James Born On A Different Cloud Songbird Better Man Meaning Of Soul Love Like A Bomb Guess God Thinks I'm Abel Won't Let You Down Pass Me Down The Wine I'm Outta Time Ain't Got Nothin' Soldier On Boy With The Blues I Believe In All Man Of Mystery
When i look at this list, i can only say : Liam is a good songwriter. Other bands would die for such a songwriter. Ofcourse these songs arent the classics that Noel wrote at his peak. But Liam did not really have the chance to fill an album with his songs, only 2 or 3 songs per album and maybe here and there some b-side worthy songs. I think there are some great Liam songs left behind from past albums that we havent heard yet. Liam never had the chance Noel did have.
So let's give that a chance .. give him to or 1 or 2 albums time to develope himself. Besides, most Liam-songs are raw/rocky, and have got soul in it ... And a lot of Oasis songs since HC (overall) actually missed that. They missed that "punch in the guts ... in ya fokin face-factor". I believe Liam can get that back to the songs ... Ofcourse ... a next Oasis album will not be the same if Noel is not there... but that will not automaticly mean that it will be worse. Also a plus : Liam can now write songs that fit his voice better.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 15, 2009 13:24:58 GMT -5
Like Bag it up, The turning and Shock of the lightning, eh? BIU, TT & TSOTL are no raw rockers. TT is f*cking Adult-alternative. They all havent got the wallofsound production and the melody that a raw rocker like RnRstar or Fade away got... When people go "oh those 3 could never match Noels songwriting", they are (for some reason) thinking about 1995's Noel, not 2008's Noel.......... A song doesn't have a wall of sound to be a 'raw rocker'.
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Post by J.B on Sept 15, 2009 14:27:55 GMT -5
i have no problem with an album released by liam in the future actually i would love one
but under the name of oasis the album would be a fuckin abomination
oasis will lose even more credibility and liam would ruin his reputation as well
liam gallagher solo album with andy and gem or a new band name. just not oasis
oh yer y does it matter that liam named the band? its not about the name its about who made the band. noel and liam
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 15, 2009 14:40:15 GMT -5
Liam is Oasis to me, he started the band and if he wants to carry on thats his desicion.
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Post by Rita on Sept 15, 2009 14:40:40 GMT -5
I agree with Sex Turkey.
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 15, 2009 15:42:17 GMT -5
Sex Turkey is absoltely right, I think.
I'm quite happy and confident with the idea that Liam could bring soemthign great to the table, and with Andy and Gem too. But calling it Oasis...would reduce the band to a laughing stock at best. They'd lose all credibility. And what woudl be the point of it? People would still buy it if it was Liam G's solo album.
Either way, its not about his or their ability to come up with great tunes. Nor is it about the technicality of who came up with the name for the band. Without Noel and his songs, Liam's Oasis would have very likely never made it out of Manchester.
Not using the Oasis name is a matter of integrity and credibility, nothing else IMO.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 15, 2009 16:14:56 GMT -5
Sex Turkey is absoltely right, I think. I'm quite happy and confident with the idea that Liam could bring soemthign great to the table, and with Andy and Gem too. But calling it Oasis...would reduce the band to a laughing stock at best. They'd lose all credibility. And what woudl be the point of it? People would still buy it if it was Liam G's solo album. Either way, its not about his or their ability to come up with great tunes. Nor is it about the technicality of who came up with the name for the band. Without Noel and his songs, Liam's Oasis would have very likely never made it out of Manchester. Not using the Oasis name is a matter of integrity and credibility, nothing else IMO. Why would they lose all credibillity if they put out something decent? We don't know what might happen. If they put out something shit then thats fair enough, but i'm willing to give them a chance. Noel's songs were responsible for there success of that there is no doubt. But Liam is as much Oasis as his brother, more so from his perspective. And if he wants to carry on, i don't think we can judge him for it. Noel's would have been quite big whoever sang them, but they wouldn't have been the force they were without Liam.
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Post by saber on Sept 15, 2009 16:46:53 GMT -5
all this talk of "well if the band continue without Noel then it's just not Oasis"
well cant we say the same, if put the other way, "Noel going solo is just not Oasis"
it's a new vibe, Noel will maybe bring us something new as well as Liam and Co.
Bring back Owen Morris!!!
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Post by bimblylove on Sept 15, 2009 17:27:41 GMT -5
Liam flat out can't write an album by himself. His songs always have the seed of something great but there is no development. Do any of his songs even have bridges?
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Post by forestfan on Sept 15, 2009 18:10:29 GMT -5
Liam flat out can't write an album by himself. His songs always have the seed of something great but there is no development. Do any of his songs even have bridges? mate who says there has to be bridges theres no rule to songwriting
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Post by start at the end on Sept 16, 2009 14:48:38 GMT -5
good god, give me a break.
we've already heard the last "noel-less" oasis album.
It's call Dig Out Your Soul, Tracks 8-11. The absolute WORST 4 song stretch in their entire catalog.
You can have 10-12 tunes on an album by the same 3 anyday.
Fact is TUTS, ABWR, and TBWTF were small gems because the band were able to pluck ONE song from each as a stop-gap. Now you want 3, 4, or FIVE from each...on ONE album?!!! LMFAO!
some of you people are fucking delusional- there is no Oasis without Noel Gallagher.
change the fucking name of the band and at least somewhat spare the legacy.
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Post by matt on Sept 16, 2009 14:52:04 GMT -5
Oasis should only reuinite if they make a much better album than Dig Out Your Soul - a much better album, not a little bit better.
If they're not capable of that, then forget it.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 16, 2009 16:42:10 GMT -5
Oasis should only reuinite if they make a much better album than Dig Out Your Soul - a much better album, not a little bit better. If they're not capable of that, then forget it. If the next album would be much better than DOYS, then it will be their 3rd masterpiece. DOYS is a great album.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 16, 2009 17:43:28 GMT -5
Oasis should only reuinite if they make a much better album than Dig Out Your Soul - a much better album, not a little bit better. If they're not capable of that, then forget it. Bands make shit albums, it happens, if every band could do that there wouldn't be shit albums. They have to start writing first and then see what happens. You're a U2 fan, what happened when they were listening back to the last album?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 16, 2009 17:45:04 GMT -5
good god, give me a break. we've already heard the last "noel-less" oasis album. It's call Dig Out Your Soul, Tracks 8-11. The absolute WORST 4 song stretch in their entire catalog. You can have 10-12 tunes on an album by the same 3 anyday. Fact is TUTS, ABWR, and TBWTF were small gems because the band were able to pluck ONE song from each as a stop-gap. Now you want 3, 4, or FIVE from each...on ONE album?!!! LMFAO! some of you people are fucking delusional- there is no Oasis without Noel Gallagher. change the fucking name of the band and at least somewhat spare the legacy. Give me a break man, let them put out something before you judge them. It might be shit, it might not but we don't know yet. Liam started the band he's more than entitled to carry on with it.
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Post by Level 03 on Sept 16, 2009 18:31:45 GMT -5
I think the only great solution for "Oasis" is to get an hero for the guitar leader and a very great producer with something new and electric. John Squire for the lead guitar and Richard Fearless from Death in Vegas as album producer is the best way. It could be great. I really don't care about Noel, this guy is a true genius in composition work, working with Amorphous Androgynous, Chemical Brothers and co... His solo album will be absolutely awesome without the "Oasis Sound". Scorpio Rising is simply one of the best thing Liam did... I really hope for Richard Fearless as producer.
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Post by Level 03 on Sept 16, 2009 18:33:43 GMT -5
Liam needs absolutely a legend for guitar leader or it could be a disaster.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 16, 2009 18:46:09 GMT -5
I think the only great solution for "Oasis" is to get an hero for the guitar leader and a very great producer with something new and electric. John Squire for the lead guitar and Richard Fearless from Death in Vegas as album producer is the best way. It could be great. I really don't care about Noel, this guy is a true genius in composition work, working with Amorphous Androgynous, Chemical Brothers and co... His solo album will be absolutely awesome without the "Oasis Sound". Scorpio Rising is simply one of the best thing Liam did... I really hope for Richard Fearless as producer. John Squire will never play guitar for a band again though, according to his statements.
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Post by Level 03 on Sept 16, 2009 18:49:14 GMT -5
Noel said 2 weeks before, Oasis will never split...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 16, 2009 19:01:44 GMT -5
lol its completely different, look up John Squire's recent history and comments, and then produce another comment. You do realise that not all humans are the same?
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Post by spaneli on Sept 16, 2009 19:07:04 GMT -5
First thing before anyone jumps on Liam gravy train with biscuit wheels, lets remember something most of Liam stuff has just been Liam writing lyrics not music. Little James Noel and Liam did it when Liam was away. Other than I'm Outta Time and Songbird no one can actually confirm that Liam can think up any type of arrangement and write the lyrics just as Noel did. Another thing raw simple rockers are great when they appear once in a while, but I don't want to hear an album with 4 song whch uses the word song in its lyrics. Also other than I'm Outta Time none of them have written a true single. Please dont mention TBWTL and the rest of them cause they are not singles or good enough to be anywhere except backing tracks on an album. Some might say who cares about singles, but you need singles for the back bone of your record in order to dabble and push a few new sounds. There's no pressure to write good songs hwne you know that Noel always has some songs lying around that can be put on an album. Liam, Gem, and Andy have to prove that they can be truely good songwriters without having the luxury of knowing that Noel can bail them out with a song or two when theirs don't pan out. Its also easy to write when all you have to do is write 2 or 3 songs for each album in the case of Liam and 1 or 2 in the case of Gem and Andy. Can they take the load.
Little James Born On A Different Cloud Songbird Better Man Meaning Of Soul Love Like A Bomb Guess God Thinks I'm Abel Won't Let You Down Pass Me Down The Wine I'm Outta Time Ain't Got Nothin' Soldier On Boy With The Blues I Believe In All Man Of Mystery
This list being offered up isnt an album especially with Man of Misery on it. Also what everyone's forgeting is that it took 8 years for him to accumilate this many songs (Liam). Even Liam said that it took him more than 5 years to write I'm Outta Time. The question isnt really are they good songwriters the questions are, are they good songwriters without Noel and what little material they have made (though good) can they muster that while doing one album and not over a period of 8 years.
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Post by Level 03 on Sept 16, 2009 19:12:00 GMT -5
Dont worry about the copyright... If Liam keep Oasis safe, he can sing whatever he wants. All Oasis songs are the property of Oasis. Dont care about the songwriting... It's onmy working if an other artist covered this song on an album or this kond of thing. But all the songs are in Oasis. Noel leave the band on his own way.... It doesn't affect on the property. Liam singing on Dont look back in anger, it's possible...
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Post by Level 03 on Sept 16, 2009 19:23:51 GMT -5
They can play all the Oasis during a live but not for an album. For example... They played "I'm the Walrus" during all the tour...
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