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Post by matt on Aug 28, 2009 10:03:11 GMT -5
Talk of this has been going for years, and has once again popped it's head during the Arsenal V Celtic clash. It would be very interesting to see this happen. Both are very big clubs so their finances would surely improve if given the chance in the English Premier League, due to TV money flooding in. Both have big stadiums so it wouldn't be a problem to fill out against the best in England (Celtic Park can hold 61,000, Ibrox can hold 51,000) whereas it's a struggle at times to fill when playing teams like Hamilton
How the teams would actually cope in the English Premier League is another thing. I do think that the Rangers and Celtic of the last few years would definitely struggle and would be relegation candidates, but not necessarily getting relegated. Around about the place of 14th/15th would be where I would guess their position.
However, both have had brilliant teams, such as the Celtic of 6 years ago, which definitely would of been able to make a UEFA Cup spot in the Premier League. The same goes for Rangers when they had players like Paul Gascoine and such, so it's not impossible for these clubs to build absolute quality teams.
Surely it can only be a benefit to Scottish football. Rangers and Celtic, what with their already huge fanbases, would have the potential of becoming much bigger than they already are, and they would become a lot more attractive to potential buyers.
However, if they did realise their potential to become massive clubs, then this may result in them actually winning the English Premier League, which wouldn't go down too well in England I think.
It would be a huge benefit to the SPL. There's 10 other teams in the SPL who are fighting just for Europa League places and nothing else, considering everyone knows who's going to finish first or second (albeit there was a break in the trend when Hearts finished second in 2006).
It would be great to see the SPL become an exciting league (albeit not of very high quality) with Hearts, Hibernian, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, etc all challenging for the top spot.
Wales have Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham all playing in the English leagues. Why can't Celtic and Rangers do this? Or are they just too big to compete in the Premier League?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 28, 2009 12:35:18 GMT -5
No. English league belongs to the English.
I fucking hate how American baseball has a few Canadian teams. WTF is up with that?
Plus Rangers and Celtic are shit, they would be no more than mid-table teams. There would be no benefit to the Prem by adding two more mediocre teams to the league
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 28, 2009 13:19:18 GMT -5
Celtic and Rangers would be better in the Premiership as they would have an increase in revenue. They would push fpr Europe. They should be in the Premiership. Celtic are probably the third biggest team in Britain after Man U and Liverpool
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Post by Unlikely Lad on Aug 28, 2009 13:40:47 GMT -5
Celtic are probably the third biggest team in Britain after Man U and Liverpool They are, and that is why it would probably be bad for Scottish Football if they left the SPL |
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Post by globe on Aug 29, 2009 1:19:30 GMT -5
No. English league belongs to the English. Yeah, I'm sure Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham would agree with that. Let me just say that I cannot stand Celtic and Rangers, they represent everything that's bad about Scotland - all the bigotry and hatred that their fans come away with is disgusting and I'd be happy to see the back of them. However to say they would be just mid-table teams if they played in England is niave to say the least. If they were given the revenues that the top English sides get then they would both be able to attract top players. They both earned around £2million from TV revenues last season, how much did the top 4 in England get? £30mil? £40mil? I think most people on here are to young to remember English football before SKY came along with their bottomless pit of cash. And I don't think people in England (and ignorant wankers like NL4E for that matter) realise how big both these clubs, particularly Celtic are. They have around 60,000 season ticket holders which I believe only Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal could come close to matching. Having said all that, England don't need them, do they? so it's never gonna happen unless the top clubs in England decide to set up their own European leauge up and invite one or other of them along. |
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Post by digsyssupper on Aug 29, 2009 3:52:58 GMT -5
I think they should.. it would improve the scottish leagues as because rangers and celtic have dominated over the years, would give other teams a chance, and rangers and celtic would improve alot because they would have to sign better players to have a chance in the league. Their both good teams but nowhere near premier league standard. give them championshop status let them earn their way to premier league
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2009 5:21:04 GMT -5
No. English league belongs to the English. Plus Rangers and Celtic are shit, they would be no more than mid-table teams. There would be no benefit to the Prem by adding two more mediocre teams to the league Tell me how Rangers and Celtic are shit? Both clubs have reached European finals in the last 6 years, Celtic have reached the last 16 of the Champions League twice in the last 3 years with and went out to a 118 minute extra time goal against AC Milan. And Rangers going out of the last 16 on away goals to Villareal. Man Utd, AC Milan, Lyon, Stuttgart, Inter, Fiorentina, Barcelona, Sporting Lisbon and Porto amongst others have all failed to win at either Ibrox or Parkhead in the last few seasons. So for shit teams as you put it they do not bad against teams with huge budget advantages over them. After any game against English teams in Glasgow listen to what the players say, Frank Lampard for example said he had never experienced an atmosphere like he did at Ibrox for a pre-season game against Rangers. The Old Firm would bring huge benefits to The Premiership in terms of atmosphere and added revenue, all you have to do is look at the build up of the last 2 weeks with the Arsenal - Celtic games, Arsene Wenger even said Rangers and Celtic would enhance the league only last week so if he says it then thats good enough for me not an ignorant little man like you who doesn't have a clue. And mediocre my arse..... 95,000 season ticket holders between them, 110,000 fans combined at each home game, millions of fans worldwide, aye millions! Fans with Scots connections in the US, Australia, Ireland etc, one of Nikes biggest selling replica shirts in Celtic and probably Umbros biggest selling shirt after England in Rangers. Only Man Utd and Liverpool are bigger than Celtic and Rangers in the UK in terms of size and tradition. You don't have a clue.  And give the Old Firm the £30-40million SKY money each year that the other clubs get on top of their profits already and within a couple of stabilising seasons they would be challenging in the top 6. However i don't think the Premierhip shouldn't let them straight in, start in the Championship (or maybe league below) and earn the right to play there. |
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Post by puretone on Aug 29, 2009 6:41:37 GMT -5
No. Celtic and Rangers are scottish so therefore they should be in the scottish league. English teams in the english league.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 29, 2009 9:45:33 GMT -5
Celtic have won the European Cup more times than Arsenel ever will
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Post by puretone on Aug 29, 2009 16:28:41 GMT -5
Celtic have won the European Cup more times than Arsenel ever will and chelsea |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 30, 2009 9:17:21 GMT -5
Wales have Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham all playing in the English leagues. Why can't Celtic and Rangers do this? Or are they just too big to compete in the Premier League? Here we're not discussing teams - like Swansea, Cardiff, or Wrexham - which founded, or were elected to the lower tiers of English football in it's formative years, but rather two sides with deep roots in Scottish football, and whose membership could potentially prove very damaging to established Premiership clubs. Not to your Manchester Uniteds, or your Chelseas, but sides like Everton, Aston Villa, Tottenham, and beyond; teams who have, through consistency of performance, earnt the right to compete at the highest level of the English game, and yet would suddenly find themselves forced to compete for players, television rights, and European places with two clubs who have done nothing to earn the privilege of playing Premiership football. Additionally, the knock-on effect of setting such a precedent could be disastrous, and quite possibly the first step on the road to the much-discussed European super league. Portugese clubs might argue that they were entitled to play in La Liga. Belgian, perhaps even Dutch clubs might make a case for playing in the Bundesliga. And what about the French league, where Lyon have finished top in seven of the last eight league campaigns? Couldn't they argue that they've outgrown their competition? Finally, I would argue that, rather than rejuvenating Scottish football, such a move would kill it dead in a heartbeat. And if the chasing pack seek parity with Rangers and Celtic, then - difficult though it might be - it's their responsibility to earn it. |
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