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Post by Mogly on Jul 19, 2009 16:25:19 GMT -5
Sudaca! Lol. Am I supposed to feel bad about being born in South America and not in mighty Spain? I feel better than you. Back to the topic: Contador has just begun a new attack in the alps and Im gonna put my two cents on him. He feels strong and looks like he can win this Tour again (shame he's not from colombia lol). doesn't seem like it, really
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Post by hangthedj on Jul 22, 2009 16:49:27 GMT -5
Armstrong who? ;D
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 22, 2009 23:45:17 GMT -5
wait , I thought you guys said he was doping ?........ I don't know how the foreign press is reporting about his race so far but the Versus channel with the (English) race commentaters are blown away by his performance and tactics, now obviously in a supporting role.
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Post by Jazzvi on Jul 23, 2009 6:26:01 GMT -5
wait , I thought you guys said he was doping ?........ I don't know how the foreign press is reporting about his race so far but the Versus channel with the (English) race commentaters are blown away by his performance and tactics, now obviously in a supporting role. He better get used to that tactics from now on, because he will have to support Contador on many many tours (that's if the assholes from Astana want the new Tour winner in their team or prefer the old glory in it).
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 23, 2009 10:35:24 GMT -5
wait , I thought you guys said he was doping ?........ I don't know how the foreign press is reporting about his race so far but the Versus channel with the (English) race commentaters are blown away by his performance and tactics, now obviously in a supporting role. He better get used to that tactics from now on, because he will have to support Contador on many many tours (that's if the assholes from Astana want the new Tour winner in their team or prefer the old glory in it). Not going to happen , press reports that Armstrong will have his own team next year, Nike, Oracle and Livestrong sponsored
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Post by Jazzvi on Jul 23, 2009 13:20:17 GMT -5
Not going to happen , press reports that Armstrong will have his own team next year, Nike, Oracle and Livestrong sponsored I've heard that too. But that doesn't mean he will have more chances seeing how strong has Contador been the last 2 years and how he's going to win it this year. Of course Lance will be the chief of his own team and the rest of the riders will ride for him but I think Alberto is the best rider right now.
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 23, 2009 15:47:14 GMT -5
Not going to happen , press reports that Armstrong will have his own team next year, Nike, Oracle and Livestrong sponsored I've heard that too. But that doesn't mean he will have more chances seeing how strong has Contador been the last 2 years and how he's going to win it this year. Of course Lance will be the chief of his own team and the rest of the riders will ride for him but I think Alberto is the best rider right now. should be a great race again next year Cantodor is the man to beat now, Armstrong is quite strong for coming back from retirement and broken colar bone a few months back , must hurt to hang on to handle bar during climbs ...ouch
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 23, 2009 19:04:15 GMT -5
wait , I thought you guys said he was doping ?........ yes he is. and contador, too. he was a proven fuentes client. and kloeden was performing blood doping in freiburg... armstrong is in good company in that team.
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Post by manualex on Jul 23, 2009 20:54:18 GMT -5
Armstrong announces new team for next year’s Tour
By SAMUEL PETREQUIN, Associated Press Writer 6 hours, 17 minutes ago
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ANNECY, France (AP)—Lance Armstrong and RadioShack are forming a new cycling team that will compete in next year’s Tour de France.
The seven-time Tour winner, who returned to cycling after 3 1/2 years of retirement, also said Thursday he expects to take part in running and triathlon events for Team RadioShack beginning in 2010.
“RadioShack has agreed to partner with us on this venture and ensure that this partnership and this team stays alive for years to come, continues to be at the head of the peloton,” Armstrong said in a video on his Livestrong Web site.
The 37-year-old Texan is riding this year’s Tour with the Kazakh-funded Astana team. He was in third place overall after Thursday’s time trial, 5 minutes and 25 seconds behind teammate Alberto Contador. ADVERTISEMENT
“It’s a huge opportunity for us as an organization and as a cancer survivor. It’s pretty mega,” Armstrong added after the stage in Annecy.
In a statement released by RadioShack, Armstrong said he has had “a great season so far” but is hoping for an even better one next year.
“To be able to compete for an American team comprised of the world’s top cyclists, supported by the best coaches and staff—I couldn’t be happier,” he said.
Armstrong did not indicate who else might join Team RadioShack, but he’s expected to build a squad fully devoted to his ambitions. Armstrong has spent much of this year’s race in support of Contador, who is expected to join another team next season.
“I heard that Lance was launching a new structure,” Contador said. “But I just want to concentrate on winning the Tour and we will see afterwards.”
Garmin-Slipstream’s American manager Jonathan Vaughters, a former Armstrong teammate, said that none of his riders will join the new RadioShack team.
“All our riders but one will be under contract next year,” Vaughters said. “That rider is faithful to the team.”
Armstrong also did not say whether his longtime friend Johan Bruyneel, Astana’s current manager, would join his new team. Bruyneel was with Armstrong for each of his Tour victories.
Armstrong said RadioShack will help his Livestrong Foundation in its fight against cancer. He said the electronics chain, with about 35,000 employees in nearly 6,000 stores, can provide the resources to field a team that can compete in the world’s premier cycling race.
“We have an incredible opportunity to leverage RadioShack’s connection to tens of millions of people to spread the Livestrong message,” Armstrong said. “Also, in cycling, the technology we use on our bikes matters—it allows us to compete at the highest level. It’s important to me to partner with a brand that understands the role technology plays in people’s lives.”
Cycling’s governing body president Pat McQuaid welcomed the creation of the new team.
“It’s excellent news because it is a new American team, and it’s a new sponsor coming into the sport,” McQuaid said by phone. “It’s definitely good for cycling and for the development of the sport in America. Look at what Armstrong has brought to the Tour de France this year. He’s bringing the fame again to the sport of cycling next year, that’s a good thing.”
Astana has struggled with financial problems this year. In May, the International Cycling Union threatened to withdraw Astana’s racing license after riders went unpaid for two months.
Armstrong is riding for free this season, but joined teammates in a protest at the Giro d’Italia when they wore jerseys with the sponsor’s name faded out.
McQuaid couldn’t say whether the RadioShack team would be granted the UCI Pro Tour licence, which is given to 20 teams and allows them automatic entry into the most prestigious races.
“I know that they’ve had their application in on time, which is last Monday,” McQuaid said. “It then goes through a process of evaluation and eventually the license commission takes a decision based on a variety of criteria. I don’t involve myself in all that.”
RadioShack, headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas, said it will also sponsor the Livestrong Foundation’s signature fundraiser, a 5K run/walk and cycling ride held in four cities throughout the United States.
“We know that cancer research and survivorship is near to the hearts of many of our associates and customers, and together with Lance and
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Post by Jazzvi on Jul 26, 2009 15:10:39 GMT -5
Well done Alberto. Even with your team, that big arrogant dickhead and the french media against you, you have done it again. The french media being against a spaniard is nothing new, the envy is so bad (guess why the spanish hymn has not been played at the right time when Alberto was at the podium...). What's been absolutely unacceptable is what has happened in the Astana team. Really disgusting.
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 26, 2009 16:13:24 GMT -5
Well done Alberto. Even with your team, that big arrogant dickhead and the french media against you, you have done it again. The french media being against a spaniard is nothing new, the envy is so bad (guess why the spanish hymn has not been played at the right time when Alberto was at the podium...). What's been absolutely unacceptable is what has happened in the Astana team. Really disgusting. yeah, now it's the media again. ;D ;D ;D the fact that his name showed up in the fuentes files doesn't count? haha, ridiculous.
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Post by Jazzvi on Jul 26, 2009 17:22:12 GMT -5
Well done Alberto. Even with your team, that big arrogant dickhead and the french media against you, you have done it again. The french media being against a spaniard is nothing new, the envy is so bad (guess why the spanish hymn has not been played at the right time when Alberto was at the podium...). What's been absolutely unacceptable is what has happened in the Astana team. Really disgusting. yeah, now it's the media again. ;D ;D ;D the fact that his name showed up in the fuentes files doesn't count? haha, ridiculous. Has someone proved that Contador was doping? Has someone proved that he's been doping during this tour? No one did prove nothing, the fact that his name showed up in the fuentes file doesn't prove nothing at all. He testified as a witness in that judgement. It was all a story made up by Le Monde to tarnish his name, no matter what you say. Even the Tour organization declared him "clean and credible". He has passed all the tests. If he was french it would be a whole lot different story, but they can only dream of having a rider winning their own race; that's why they act this way. The same happens with tennis but we'll discuss this in another thread if you want. I didn't know that the german were as envious as the french
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 26, 2009 17:32:09 GMT -5
yeah, now it's the media again. ;D ;D ;D the fact that his name showed up in the fuentes files doesn't count? haha, ridiculous. ...the fact that his name showed up in the fuentes file doesn't prove nothing at all. ha ha, yeah, i guess it was a personal friend and that's why he was in the files lol!!! Even the Tour organization declared him "clean and credible". lol! yeah, so the organization that makes the most money with him declares him clean? ha haaaaaaaaaa!!! surprise... He has passed all the tests. uuuh, the tests. that are controlled by the same people that make money with the tour... lol! ridiculous. that whole event stinks. see jazzvi, i personally wanted ac to win cause i can't stand that fucker armstrong, because of the simeoni case. but we really had loads of testimonies and doping cases in cycling. sinkewitz, kohl, mancano, jaksche (testified - mancano said that fuentes was injecting him haemoglobin from dogs; what a sick sport!!!). kloeden, schumacher, vinokurow and countless more TOP cyclists over the past. PLUS: jan ullrich and joerg jaksche are proven dopers because of the fuentes files (dna tests and testimonies). and manolo saiz (the boss of the liberty siguros team - who was caught during the fuentes doping process) was the team manager of contador and jaksche in 2004-2006. and who was the team doctor at this time? fuentes. yes. and manolo saiz was caught with a suitcase filled with money at the razzia. and now AC is in the same team with loads of proven dopers... lol - sorry jazzvi. a blind man can see what is going on there. but go on. live the dream. ;D oh and the fact that you still believe in those tests... sorry but you just have no idea. example: we have an epo test. right? but last year, we had some success with a new generation of epo (cera). fact: without the new epo test, none of these athletes would have been caugh. fact: many epo-types that cannot be detected exist. TESTS MEAN SHIT!
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 26, 2009 17:53:15 GMT -5
don't be hard with the german guy, he can be happy being the second european country in handball after all!
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 26, 2009 17:56:05 GMT -5
don't be hard with the german guy, he can be happy being the second european country in handball after all! lol, ya. after all it's a national thing. ;D i just recommend you reading some books about that.
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 26, 2009 19:36:50 GMT -5
halftheworld are you head of the 911 conspiracy theory organization by any chance ?
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 26, 2009 19:42:26 GMT -5
halftheworld are you head of the 911 conspiracy theory organization by any chance ? no. i am not really sure what that has got to do with 9/11 but who cares... i just read too much to believe in that sports story anymore. the cool thing is that you all know about balco and still keep saying: the tests prove they're all clean. it's really pathetic that you compare those theories about 9/11 with the doping stories. the people who testified doping are real. the dna tests are real. the fuentes files are real. it is not something similar to those ridiculous 9/11 theories. sorry webstar, but read about the balco case first before accusing me of any conspiracy theory.
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 26, 2009 20:02:01 GMT -5
halftheworld are you head of the 911 conspiracy theory organization by any chance ? no. i am not really sure what that has got to do with 9/11 but who cares... i just read too much to believe in that sports story anymore. the cool thing is that you all know about balco and still keep saying: the tests prove they're all clean. it's really pathetic that you compare those theories about 9/11 with the doping stories. the people who testified doping are real. the dna tests are real. the fuentes files are real. it is not something similar to those ridiculous 9/11 theories. sorry webstar, but read about the balco case first before accusing me of any conspiracy theory. I didn't know all it took was a one liner to shake rattle and roll you btw, I was following TDF races when Eddy Merckx , Thévenet and co were legends
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 26, 2009 20:34:20 GMT -5
no. i am not really sure what that has got to do with 9/11 but who cares... i just read too much to believe in that sports story anymore. the cool thing is that you all know about balco and still keep saying: the tests prove they're all clean. it's really pathetic that you compare those theories about 9/11 with the doping stories. the people who testified doping are real. the dna tests are real. the fuentes files are real. it is not something similar to those ridiculous 9/11 theories. sorry webstar, but read about the balco case first before accusing me of any conspiracy theory. I didn't know all it took was a one liner to shake rattle and roll you oh, i think you knew pretty well what you said when comparing my posts to stupid 9/11 theories. ;D and i must admitt i've only been following cycling since the days of jan ullrich. but the things that surfaced over the years make me laugh about this sport (and not only this sport...). really, i am sick of those athletes (i mean those german dickheads like schumacher or recently claudia pechstein) who tell the press that they had never taken any drugs (while tests proove them wrong) and tell some shit about a blood abnormality. facts show that doping is so widely spread in professional sports like christmas trees on... christmas. one question: in cycling and ice skating there are different levels that indicate blood doping. why?
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 26, 2009 20:44:11 GMT -5
btw, I was following TDF races when Eddy Merckx , Thévenet and co were legends and eddy merckx was tested positive at the giro di italia 1969. and thevenet: www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-07-10-95013579_x.htm"Thevenet, who has admitted to using steroids when he won Tour titles in 1975 and '77, said doping substances were considered to be healthy supplements when he was racing." ;D they all dope.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 26, 2009 21:57:40 GMT -5
are you angry cos Ribery doesn't give a shit about your team?
and talking about reading, it's more important to know who wrote what you're reading. I know the people who investigated Fuentes case, and they're not people I trust.
Just one more consideration about cyclists doping: at this point, after all the known cases, after all the fight against it, finding a cheater is not bad for the organisation: it shows that they're fighting to make the sport fair, and improves its image rather than damaging it. I think you're still dissapointed for seeing Ullrich admit he was doping.
oh, I almot forgot: ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol haha lol ;D
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 27, 2009 5:17:54 GMT -5
are you angry cos Ribery doesn't give a shit about your team? what? i hate bayern with a passion. why do you think i am a fan? and talking about reading, it's more important to know who wrote what you're reading. I know the people who investigated Fuentes case, and they're not people I trust. oh it is not just fuentes. it is balco, the freiburg university case for t-mobile team, humanplasma in vienna... sinkewicz and kloeden were driving in one car to freiburg to get a reinfusion of blood. why the hell is this guy allowed... oh wait: it's the astana team. Just one more consideration about cyclists doping: at this point, after all the known cases, after all the fight against it, finding a cheater is not bad for the organisation: it shows that they're fighting to make the sport fair, and improves its image rather than damaging it. not really the truth. after the lates scandals, sponsors were cancelling their contracts (look at team gerolsteiner e.g. or team telekom), tv stations were cancelling their broadcasts, teams went bancrupt. doping scandals are goddamn expensive. I think you're still dissapointed for seeing Ullrich admit he was doping. also wrong. jan ullrich never admitted he was doping, in fact he still denies it. but they found bloodbags with the name "hijo rudicio" ("rudi's son" for the non spanish speakers like me) at fuentes' "business" locations. the term "rudi" was referring to ullrichs boss rudi pevenage. then they made a dna test and voila - it was his blood. sooo, if all that fuentes case is bullshit: why did they find ullrichs blood there? what about the money that was transferred to fuentes' accounts? and what the hell did manolo saiz (ex liberty seguros team manager) do there with a suitcase full of money? and is jesus manzano lying?
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 27, 2009 5:34:19 GMT -5
oh and what about valverdes' blood? it was there, the dna tests were positive, too. or ivan basso? he admitted doping after he was caught in the operation puerto, too. he admitted to be part of the fuentes scandal!
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 29, 2009 18:48:57 GMT -5
One thing about Operación Puerto and Dr. Fuentes: there was a trial and the judge did NOT find enough evidences. one thing about that: it is not really true. they had enough evidence, but for the relevant time, a law against doping didn't exist. it was passed after operacion puerto. and besides that, justice is not able to ban a cyclist. only the national federation can ban a cyclist. but the justice denied the spanish federation to observe the evidence they had! so it is not like they had no evidence, cause athletes were convicted BECAUSE of that evidence (ullrich, basso, jaksche, valverde...). that is the truth. and another thing about the tour 2009: the alfd found packages of doping substances in several teams trash cans! they all dope.
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 30, 2009 11:47:40 GMT -5
that would make it a level playing field then
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