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Post by webm@ster on Jul 10, 2009 10:12:07 GMT -5
He's on his way to retake the yellow jersey 5 years later OMG....incredible
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 11, 2009 9:56:01 GMT -5
no way man. he's just an oldie who can be happy to be in the same team as the next spanish champion.
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 11, 2009 10:26:47 GMT -5
He's on his way to retake the yellow jersey 5 years later OMG....incredible nope. and the more i read about his career in cycling the less i hope he will ever win one single race... "I have lots of time and lots of money. I will destroy you."
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 11, 2009 14:39:49 GMT -5
you guys are funny haters
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Post by webm@ster on Jul 11, 2009 14:40:31 GMT -5
no way man. he's just an oldie who can be happy to be in the same team as the next spanish champion. I'll check in to see where your riders at when he hits 37
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 11, 2009 17:29:01 GMT -5
you guys are funny haters yeah, i know. i don't mind you stick to his story of winning against cancer and then against all the other riders. to be honest it is a great sports story (and yes, there is going to be a movie. and yes he is going into politics). but from all i have read, almost all bikers (and defenitely ALL riders who are favourites for winning the tour) are doping (contador, too, by the way. google "fuentes" or "operation puerto" together with his name). and from what i've read from lance, i know he is doping, too. i know you still believe in that fairy tale that all athletes who haven't tested positive are clean. but i know the story about fuentes, about balco and other stuff. and i know a negative test means nothing! i just don't believe in that sport anymore. so basically most of them are drug cheats, but from what i've read from armstrong, i think he is definitely an asshole, too. a man who has beaten cancer and who is defenitely the greatest biker legend in the world, but an asshole. ;D
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 11, 2009 20:38:18 GMT -5
no way man. he's just an oldie who can be happy to be in the same team as the next spanish champion. I'll check in to see where your riders at when he hits 37 I'm 24, I still live in the present anyways, you took all the fun in soccer playing vs Brazil. There is no basketball or soccer now, Nadal is injured, Alonso has a shit car on F1... let me have some sport joy!
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 12, 2009 8:19:57 GMT -5
I'll check in to see where your riders at when he hits 37 I'm 24, I still live in the present anyways, you took all the fun in soccer playing vs Brazil. There is no basketball or soccer now, Nadal is injured, Alonso has a shit car on F1... let me have some sport joy! you are european football champion ffs!!! i'd wake up with a smile every single day and watch the games against russia or the final every second day. enough is enough ;D
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Post by Mogly on Jul 12, 2009 11:09:18 GMT -5
Off topic, I know, but no, he is not
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Post by NYR on Jul 13, 2009 17:24:39 GMT -5
you guys are funny haters yeah, i know. i don't mind you stick to his story of winning against cancer and then against all the other riders. to be honest it is a great sports story (and yes, there is going to be a movie. and yes he is going into politics). but from all i have read, almost all bikers (and defenitely ALL riders who are favourites for winning the tour) are doping (contador, too, by the way. google "fuentes" or "operation puerto" together with his name). and from what i've read from lance, i know he is doping, too. i know you still believe in that fairy tale that all athletes who haven't tested positive are clean. but i know the story about fuentes, about balco and other stuff. and i know a negative test means nothing! i just don't believe in that sport anymore. so basically most of them are drug cheats, but from what i've read from armstrong, i think he is definitely an asshole, too. a man who has beaten cancer and who is defenitely the greatest biker legend in the world, but an asshole. ;D he wasn't doping then. it was chemotherapy! do you think he was faster because he had one less ball? did it make him aerodynamic? he's not doping now, either. all eyes are on him. i'm absolutely sure that he was tested more thoroughly than anybody else racing... because he's lance armstrong.
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 13, 2009 21:22:33 GMT -5
he wasn't doping then. it was chemotherapy! do you think he was faster because he had one less ball? did it make him aerodynamic? what are you refering to? those 1999 positive tests on EPO? okay, so are you trying to say that a person on chemotherapy is winning the tour against healthy top world athletes? healthy top world athletes who were doping, by the way (like our great german "hero" jan ullrich)? sorry... no. he's not doping now, either. all eyes are on him. i'm absolutely sure that he was tested more thoroughly than anybody else racing... because he's lance armstrong. again: i've read a bit about that. and doping tests mean nothing. it's a shame, but they really don't! growth hormone: there is no test. insulin: there is no test (and yes, it's a doping substance). and it there hasn't been a test for EPO in 1999 either. look at the balco case! m. jones did escape those tests only too well while being on drugs all the time (give this a read: "Game of Shadows: Barry Bonds, BALCO, and the Steroids Scandal that Rocked Professional Sports"). or look at dr. fuentes: none of those tests were positive. they caught him because someone testified. i know i wrote that before... but please read into those stories (just goolge them). the point is that we have to overcome that argument "i didn't test positive, i didn't dope." cause facts tell that tests mean nothing. what about all those testimonies? are they worthless? if you want, i can pm you several examples where tests didn't find shit but the facts are overwhelming. FACT: - armstrong worked with "dottore epo" ferrari (and defended him all the time. the story with simeoni was only too clear). - frankie andreu - emma o'reilly - those 1999 tests - top team members who were doping: e.g. floyd landis, contador but again: armstrong is just one of thousands. example: - valverde: dna tests by the italian anty doping agency prove that he was doping. of course no official positive test. valverde still protests against his timeout. - last years winner of the tours climbing-competition (dunno what it's exactly in english) bernhard kohl testified years of doping (and he told other names, too.). my point: all top bikers are doped. sad but true.
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 13, 2009 21:26:24 GMT -5
i'm absolutely sure that he was tested more thoroughly than anybody else racing... because he's lance armstrong. oh and by the way: that's not true. he is tested like any other athlete.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 14, 2009 3:44:57 GMT -5
I've just found out that one of Skil Shimano/Bbox lives in my town, just 5 mintues from my house by a bike.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jul 14, 2009 6:44:59 GMT -5
Off topic, I know, but no, he is not he is: www.rafaelnadal.com/nadal/es/homewww.rafael-nadal.net/still on rehab you are european football champion ffs!!! i'd wake up with a smile every single day and watch the games against russia or the final every second day. enough is enough ;D that was a year ago! we're also the current Basketball World Champions... he wasn't doping then. it was chemotherapy! do you think he was faster because he had one less ball? did it make him aerodynamic? ;D ;D ;D ;D One thing about Operación Puerto and Dr. Fuentes: there was a trial and the judge did NOT find enough evidences. But hey, they MAY have been bad guys, let's get them all out of the sport! you know, I still think everyone is innocent until it is proved beyond doubt that he's guilty. That's why Tour organization took several months to call winner Pereiro after Landis doping, for example.
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 14, 2009 9:39:44 GMT -5
One thing about Operación Puerto and Dr. Fuentes: there was a trial and the judge did NOT find enough evidences. But hey, they MAY have been bad guys, let's get them all out of the sport! hey, they found hundreds of blood bags from athletes. isn't that enough? example: the spanish star valverde was always a supposed fuentes client. like the guardia civil said that he could be identified with his codename: "valv-piti" (piti is the name of his dog) did the spanish authorities do anything? no. after two years, italian anti-doping authorities took one of his regular bloodsamples and could proof by dna analysis that it was valverdes blood in some of those blood bags. valverde is banned now for two years - by an italian authority. and now the spanish are saying that this was not a regular test and that the italians are not responsible for him. a proven doper! so i think they don't really want to go after this. and besides that law is a bit tricky in case of doping. in most countries, doping is not a crime anyway. and sports federations often don't give a shit cause they don't want to kill the golden goose.
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Post by MG on Jul 14, 2009 10:10:38 GMT -5
gaps.letour.fr/us.htmloff the main tour site. I'm doing a Tour de France Spinning class in my gym at the moment!
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 17, 2009 9:40:16 GMT -5
nice story from couple of days ago:
the testers wanted to make a surprising doping control at team astana. so they arrived at the hotel and were invited for a coffee first. one hour (!!!) passed until they tested the team. that's ridiculous. in one hour you can drink a lot of water or get an infusion of saline solution to lower your haemoglobin and haematocrit levels that can indicate blood doping. or you can insert something into urethra that will completely fuck up the urine sample. no wonder they don't find anything... a bit background: this year the uci is responsible for the doping controls. the uci is the international cycling union. this is clearly conflict of interests and it makes me wonder wether they really want to find something or if they just want to keep up the illusion of a clean tour. over the last years, the afld (french anti doping agency) was responsible for the controls and eventhough controls were not perfect: it's their job to find dopers - not to make cycling as successful as possible.
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Post by lionsden® on Jul 17, 2009 22:12:43 GMT -5
^ So in that case everyone could be doping eh?
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 18, 2009 5:28:55 GMT -5
^ So in that case everyone could be doping eh? yes. if you follow certain rules that help you to cover up the medical enhancement you don't have to fear the tests. that's what is actually happening as we know from countless testimonies. and if you are testing, you must not give the athlete the chance to be alone for 20 minutes or so (something that lance has done very often, by the way - taking a phone call and a shower... ridiculous. usually that would be enough to have a case!). there are just too many opportunities to manipulate. fact! those tests are not that transparent as you might think and the fact that now the uci is responsible is scandalous for me. these guys have an interest in earning money, break records... but not to get dopers. you don't earn money with doping scandals. i get the impression that they don't want to spoil armstrongs great party...
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Post by Jazzvi on Jul 18, 2009 10:44:47 GMT -5
Off topic, I know, but no, he is not What's the point in speaking without knowing nothing? You don't know nothing my poor little sudaca. I don't really know what you have against Nadal but yes, he is injured. I've seen him in Mallorca going to rehab. Do you think he goes there to have a cup of tea?
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Post by MG on Jul 18, 2009 14:02:18 GMT -5
Nicolas Roche finishing 2nd in todays stage!
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Post by Mogly on Jul 18, 2009 18:08:52 GMT -5
Off topic, I know, but no, he is not What's the point in speaking without knowing nothing? You don't know nothing my poor little sudaca. I don't really know what you have against Nadal but yes, he is injured. I've seen him in Mallorca going to rehab. Do you think he goes there to have a cup of tea? Sudaca! Lol. Am I supposed to feel bad about being born in South America and not in mighty Spain? Anyway, he's been recovering from tendonitis for almost 2 months now? LMAO. That's not even an injury. It's painful, very painful indeed, but it's not an injury. It's something that requires a fair amount of rest. Do you know what kind of things he does in rehab? Magnets and Hot-Cold water treatment. That's hardly a surgery is it? It's a normal procedure for tired athletes. Every professional athlete is constantly battling with pain and Nadal's been doing it for years now, so after he suffered the most heartbreaking defeat of his career he said "Enough is enough" and had some rest. He was mentally worn out, not physically. He played for almost 2 years with bandages on his knees and 2 months before his "injury" he took them off, that tells me (and any thinking human being) that his knees were no longer bothering him as much, he didn't need the support of the bandages, he was better if not ok. This is way off-topic so if any mod wants to delete it it's fine with me, but I just needed to make it clear that I won't let some fucking ass-hole belittle my nationality and knowledge on certain topics.
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Post by Mogly on Jul 18, 2009 18:11:50 GMT -5
oh, and about the tour de france... well, that's one dirty sport. I used to follow it in the early 2000's but after all those riders were suspended for being dopers I moved on.
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Post by Jazzvi on Jul 19, 2009 10:06:21 GMT -5
Sudaca! Lol. Am I supposed to feel bad about being born in South America and not in mighty Spain? I feel better than you. Back to the topic: Contador has just begun a new attack in the alps and Im gonna put my two cents on him. He feels strong and looks like he can win this Tour again (shame he's not from colombia lol).
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Post by Unlikely Lad on Jul 19, 2009 11:43:17 GMT -5
contador's gonna win it, hands down
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