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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2009 12:02:44 GMT -5
Someone has already picked up on this, but the Amazon preview to TSHB seems to continue on from Mucky Fingers. Listen to the end of MF and the start of this Amazon preview and you'll know what I'm talking about Do you think this was left off DBTT at the last minute and replaced by Lyla (which came in at the last minute)?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 3, 2009 12:21:04 GMT -5
Yup, it does continue for MF, so one would assume its from the DBTT era, wonder if it was intended to be on DBTT then?
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Post by fanofall on Mar 3, 2009 12:44:18 GMT -5
if its not, it sounds dreadfully similar
but its quite different to DBTT, it's similar in style to TIOBI but the tune itself isnt anything that would resemble DBTT
the amazon clip is also different, i've been listening to the pollthepeople clip
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Post by Soldier Ron on Mar 3, 2009 18:50:31 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing they'd programme two Noel tracks back-to-back on DBTT but it certainly sounds like it was the case here.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 3, 2009 22:56:13 GMT -5
We all know Lyla was a late edition to the album, so Noel may have cut it because of the flow and/or to limit the tracklisting. That's really the only explanation - I don't think Lyla 'took its place' because Lyla was deemed to be the superior tune.
At first I ignored this claim, but ended up checking it out, and there's no doubt that the intro of TSHB can be heard after MF, and it's to far fetched to just be a coincidence.
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Post by rmillis on Mar 3, 2009 23:13:54 GMT -5
Also, judging by what we've heard, it sounds like it was produced in the DBTT era. DOYS has a very distinct production to it and I don't think this song fits in that era.
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Post by LlAM on Mar 4, 2009 2:06:26 GMT -5
but its quite different to DBTT, it's similar in style to TIOBI but the tune itself isnt anything that would resemble DBTT The production is very similar to Stop The Clocks and Record Machine |
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Post by kenneth on Mar 4, 2009 2:33:43 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers and Those Swollen Hand Blues? Did Noel have some issues with his hands back then?  Seriousley though, I'm glad that the new b-side have got everybody talking about it. Can't wait to have it in full along with the rest of the Falling Down single  |
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Post by fanofall on Mar 4, 2009 3:37:55 GMT -5
but its quite different to DBTT, it's similar in style to TIOBI but the tune itself isnt anything that would resemble DBTT The production is very similar to Stop The Clocks and Record Machine also the sounds we have heard so far in TSHB would make me think it was recorded at Abbey Road i.e the whistle or whatever it is, sounds like an extra instrument or another childs toy they may have had at Abbey Rd? As they were experimenting with different sounds then |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Mar 4, 2009 3:53:18 GMT -5
The production is very similar to Stop The Clocks and Record Machine also the sounds we have heard so far in TSHB would make me think it was recorded at Abbey Road i.e the whistle or whatever it is, sounds like an extra instrument or another childs toy they may have had at Abbey Rd? As they were experimenting with different sounds then there is a whistle in TIOBI and that's not recorded at abbey road. just like to point that out. and there is plenty of mellotron (which you'd associate with abbey road) throughout DBTT as a whole album, so i think that pretty much refutes the whole whistle theory. |
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Post by bathqueen on Mar 4, 2009 5:35:53 GMT -5
Well if it is from DBTT era, then Terry Kirkbride Or starkey should apear in the single's credits shouldnt they? yes the guitars and mellotron (or are those just violins with cool production?) sounds like DBTT era, but if TSHB would come out as GLIO bside i would say it sounds like that too! noels singing on the other hand..? sounds nothing like..anything! if any it would suit his mini-experimental approach of this era.. maybe the mucky fingers bit (which btw, i really dont hear on the clip in maybeherenow.blogspot.com/) is there cos they just kept it next to it in some songs catalog or something. I dont see why noel wouldnt release it as a bside back than? surely he would rather have that on TIOBI instead of PMDTW or TQO... |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 4, 2009 5:42:17 GMT -5
Well if it is from DBTT era, then Terry Kirkbride Or starkey should apear in the single's credits shouldnt they? It's definitely Noel on drums. Unless Terry or Zak are playing the mellotron? |
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Post by bathqueen on Mar 4, 2009 5:49:18 GMT -5
Well if it is from DBTT era, then Terry Kirkbride Or starkey should apear in the single's credits shouldnt they? It's definitely Noel on drums. Unless Terry or Zak are playing the mellotron? what makes you so sure..? |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 4, 2009 6:26:05 GMT -5
It's definitely Noel on drums. Unless Terry or Zak are playing the mellotron? what makes you so sure..? The style of drumming. I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong. |
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Post by shanghaichica on Mar 4, 2009 8:55:39 GMT -5
Strangley enough I didnt like DBTT all that much but m liking TSHB so far, however one of the only songs I did like on DBTT was MF.
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Post by cloudburster on Mar 5, 2009 17:21:02 GMT -5
Look, there'll never be an Oasis album that goes
1. Liam vocals
2. Noel vocals
3. Noel vocals
4. Liam vocals
5. Noel vocals
Liam would never let that happen, and it would sound weird having three songs from the 'secondary' singer in the first five songs of an album
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Mar 5, 2009 18:14:45 GMT -5
Well it's quite obvious it's from the DBTT 'era' unless Noel's now taking fresh ideas from the outros of old songs. They could quite easily have been part of the first drafting of what was to become Don't Believe The Truth. Noel did say they worked on around 10 songs with Death In Vegas of which 6 were "not even good enough to make the b-sides". Now, while I'm not suggesting this track is from the DIV sessions, it's clear that there were songs worked on during the early DBTT sessions which were junked from the album and it's associated b-sides, this being one of them. Remember there were over 60 songs they could have chosen from for DBTT, most of which we don't even know the titles to. DBTT was certainly a different animal originally that what it eventually turned out to be.
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Post by daft punk on Mar 5, 2009 19:47:34 GMT -5
well as the guy that noticed the similarities between the 2 songs fairly quickly, I'll say this.....
remember how mucky fingers was meant to be the first single from DBTT, perhaps, and just perhaps TSHB was meant to be a b-side on that single? if you recall the record label scrapped that single, and instead we ended up with lyla instead. perahps the song was meant as a b-side from the mucky fingers single and just wasn't used?
also, I agree noel wouldn't sing 4 straight songs on an oasis album. but when you think of the song as meant to be a b-side originally it would make more sense that noel would be singing it.
just my 2 cents.
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Post by fabulousbakers on Mar 5, 2009 20:19:50 GMT -5
Perhaps the song was dropped from DBTT because Liam didn't like his vocal. The version we're getting now could be a new vocal from Noel or Noel's original guide vocal (ie Liam's still not happy).
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Post by wc23 on Mar 6, 2009 0:52:04 GMT -5
well as the guy that noticed the similarities between the 2 songs fairly quickly, I'll say this..... remember how mucky fingers was meant to be the first single from DBTT, perhaps, and just perhaps TSHB was meant to be a b-side on that single? if you recall the record label scrapped that single, and instead we ended up with lyla instead. perahps the song was meant as a b-side from the mucky fingers single and just wasn't used? also, I agree noel wouldn't sing 4 straight songs on an oasis album. but when you think of the song as meant to be a b-side originally it would make more sense that noel would be singing it. just my 2 cents. exactly what i was going to say mucky fingers was going to be a single before lyla... could have been the b-side |
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Post by fanofall on Mar 6, 2009 6:54:03 GMT -5
well as the guy that noticed the similarities between the 2 songs fairly quickly, I'll say this..... remember how mucky fingers was meant to be the first single from DBTT, perhaps, and just perhaps TSHB was meant to be a b-side on that single? if you recall the record label scrapped that single, and instead we ended up with lyla instead. perahps the song was meant as a b-side from the mucky fingers single and just wasn't used? also, I agree noel wouldn't sing 4 straight songs on an oasis album. but when you think of the song as meant to be a b-side originally it would make more sense that noel would be singing it. just my 2 cents. exactly what i was going to say mucky fingers was going to be a single before lyla... could have been the b-side never heard that ........ Oasis would NEVER release a Noel sung song as a first single!!! Maybe it was meant as a single ... 2nd or 3rd maybe, but it wouldnt have been the first |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 6, 2009 6:59:19 GMT -5
exactly what i was going to say mucky fingers was going to be a single before lyla... could have been the b-side never heard that ........ Oasis would NEVER release a Noel sung song as a first single!!! Maybe it was meant as a single ... 2nd or 3rd maybe, but it wouldnt have been the first It was meant as the first single but they decided to drop it because Noel sang it. I doubt they got as far as planning b-sides for it though. |
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Post by l41n on Mar 6, 2009 7:27:39 GMT -5
You are all forgetting that Mucky Fingers is actually a demo, the final song was meant to be Liam sung. Therefore a Noel song 3rd track seems likely.
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Post by fanofall on Mar 6, 2009 13:26:55 GMT -5
You are all forgetting that Mucky Fingers is actually a demo, the final song was meant to be Liam sung. Therefore a Noel song 3rd track seems likely. where did you hear that it was originally meant for Liam? I suppose most the songs Noel writes are originally gonna be for Liam |
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Post by Mr. Monobrow on Mar 6, 2009 13:54:12 GMT -5
Liam has claimed that he did record a vocal for Mucky Fingers, but obviously they felt Noel's vocal was better, in the same way as Lord Don't Slow Me Down.
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