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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2009 21:15:37 GMT -5
I feel like only Caro is the only one.....Would be nice to have some more support in the UT section  |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jan 23, 2009 21:55:39 GMT -5
He's a fuckin moron but has taken more of a beating than he deserves. I'm surprised they didn't blame that US Airways bird strike on Bush
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Post by AKA_TheBrokenArrow on Jan 24, 2009 4:01:59 GMT -5
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and all, and i respect everyone's opinion... but I can't imagine why people think he was anything but bad for our country and the world.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Jan 24, 2009 4:39:04 GMT -5
Would be nice to have some more support in the UT section Unfortunately for you, 78 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush, and his approval in the world would be even lower, so the odds are against you. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 24, 2009 6:06:11 GMT -5
Would be nice to have some more support in the UT section Unfortunately for you, 78 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush, and his approval in the world would be even lower, so the odds are against you. 1.) Majority does not always means that they are correct. 2.) It's 'cool' to hate Bush, so that approval rating is misleading. Even secretive Bush-lovers will claim to hate Bush because they don't want to bother trying to support him. Plus, Bush is used as a scapegoat now, so no matter what he does, he's hated. 3.) The Truman Effect - You can only accuretly judge a President several years after he left office. Truman was regarded as the worst president ever, but we really love him now......Regardless if that's true for Bush, he will be still seen as a better President bc of point #2 - once the hype wears off of blaming Bush for everything, he will not be hated as much....whether or not he is ressurected as a good president is yet to be seen, though. --- Overall, you're all idiots who consider him one of the worst ever. This even includes some of my best freinds who I hold in great respect with politics. You fail to recognize his accomplishments bc your opinion is so narrow minded and clouded. Fuck me, worst president ever? Fuck off right now. Carter was 100x worse. Stop spouting your partisan bullshit |
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Post by joeyfrancis on Jan 24, 2009 6:23:29 GMT -5
You are a complete and total fuckhead. You asked why no one supports Bush in the UT section, and the answer is a vast majority of people are against Bush, regardless of whether or not you think they are correct.
I stated a fact, you can't refute that.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 24, 2009 6:51:10 GMT -5
You are a complete and total fuckhead. You asked why no one supports Bush in the UT section, and the answer is a vast majority of people are against Bush, regardless of whether or not you think they are correct. I stated a fact, you can't refute that. Yes you fucking can. Truman had an approval rating as low as Bush, now we all love Truman. What does that suggest? It takes many years to understand the true effect of a president. Look, it's fact that it's 'cool' to hate bush. Thus, almost everyone will ignore the fact that he kept us safe for 8 years, he took out 2 oppressive regimes (Taliban and Saddam), he appointed good judges, he tried to reform education, reduced the effect of AQ greatly, managed a good economy for most of his 8 years, improved HIV/AIDS situation, etc ^ That, in no way is a failure. Because of the problems econunted above, along with other problems not mentioned (like Katrina) he is in no way a great President. But he deserves more credit than the 70% of the public give him credit for, and he will get more credit as they years go by - just how much he gets is debatable. You have to remember, in 2000 Al Gore ran as the nation building candiate, while Bush was against that and was more humble.Thus, if Al Gore was president after 9/11, we would have prob gone into Iraq too, although how he conducted the war is unknown. 9/11 changed Bush's policies, and that prospect scares me about Obama.....we voted in Obama bc we hated Bush and bc we believed his rhetoric, but a simple act of terror, or any other like minded event can change Obama's initial rationale I don't think any of you Bush haters realize the scope of 9/11 and why and how it changed Bush's policies. If 9/11 never happeened, Bush' presidecny would be so different; everything Bush did, essentially, was bc of 9/11. Thus, if you want to blame Bush for foreign policy, you should, in actuality, blame Clinton - for if that assclown over rated president prevented 9/11 as he should have, Bush wouldn't have gone into Iraq, and most of his controversial descisions wouldnt have happened. Just as Obama has to clean up Bush's mistakes, Bush had to clean up Clinton's mistakes, and despite you all holding the 90s president on a pedestal, he fucked up severely. I really think this sums it up best and I give myself alot of credit for phrasing it like this: Bush had good policies but executed them poorly. My fear is that Obama has bad policies that he will implement successfully. Which is worse? Surely the latter. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 24, 2009 7:01:10 GMT -5
And you want to know what? Fuck Clinton. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conlcusion he was a bad president.
Forget about him being the 2nd president ever to be impeached. Forget that he committed perjury.. Forget that he should have prevented 9/11.
Clinton acknlowedged the threat Saddam posed in 1998, and all he sent Iraq was a few cruise missiles.
Bush, who didn't lie because he acted on the same intel Clinton did, actually took both AQ and Saddam more serriously.
Bush actually committed himself and his policies to Saddam and AQ. Clinton didn't. Clinton fucked up. Sure, Saddam didn't have WMD, but based on the intel of 1998-2002 we all beleived he did. Bush, thus, tried to eliminate the perceived threat, while Clinton diidn't
In fact, Clinton admitted to Bush in 2000 that the biggest regret he had was not doing anything significant about Saddam (Google it if you dont believe me).
Ok, Bush fucked up implementing his strategy BUT AT LEAST HE TRIED.
Clinton, while I do regard him as the 2nd best president out of the last five (Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr., Bush Jr, Cater - in that order) is one of the most over rated presidents, ever.
You liberals, for the 1000th time, have no fucking clue when it comes to foreign policy. Thanks Clinton for not killing OBL when you had the chance. Thus thanks Cliinton for allowing 9/11 to happen.And thanks Clinton for not doing anything significant about Saddam when you had intellgience that suggested you should.
Clinton - a good president, but a way way way over rated president.
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jan 24, 2009 12:56:59 GMT -5
3.) The Truman Effect - You can only accuretly judge a President several years after he left office. Truman was regarded as the worst president ever, but we really love him now......Regardless if that's true for Bush, he will be still seen as a better President bc of point #2 - once the hype wears off of blaming Bush for everything, he will not be hated as much....whether or not he is ressurected as a good president is yet to be seen, though. --- Are you kidding me? TRUMAN is regarded as good? At any rate, it's very clear that what Bush did was not so good, but because your question pertains to whether or not he DESERVES the grilling, I voted with you, Live4evr. Bush is the most widely and openly criticised president of all time. But he doesn't deserve all of it. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 24, 2009 14:27:34 GMT -5
Being educated....it's a wonderful thing:
When he left office in 1953, Truman was one of the most unpopular chief executives in history. His job approval rating of 22 percent in the Gallup Poll as of February 1952 was actually lower than Richard Nixon's was in August 1974 at 24 percent, the month that Nixon resigned. Public feeling toward Truman grew steadily warmer with the passing years, however, and the period shortly after his death consolidated a partial rehabilitation among both historians and members of the general public. Since leaving office, Truman has fared well in polls ranking the presidents. He has never been listed lower than ninth, and most recently was seventh in a Wall Street Journal poll in 2005.
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Post by eva on Jan 24, 2009 15:06:02 GMT -5
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7782422.stmActually really funny. Would have hurt if Bush didn't avoid them. Nice to see that Bushie saw the lighter side of it, but that's probably because he's too dumb to realize what just happened. I'm confussed. how can you defend someone so vehemently and at the same time call him dumb? |
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Post by globe on Jan 24, 2009 15:11:14 GMT -5
Being educated....it's a wonderful thing: How come you're such a spastic then? |
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Post by NYR on Jan 24, 2009 16:29:24 GMT -5
now i realize why he can't get a girl. he's a neoconservative in college! i can imagine it now, at a pub...
girl: "personally, i voted for obama"
l4e: "you're an idiot. you're uneducated and ought to leave this country."
girl tells him to go fuck himself and/or throws her drink in his face, then leaves.
p.s. it may be "cool" to hate bush, but we have our reasons. pretty damn good reasons, may i add.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Jan 24, 2009 17:46:23 GMT -5
Live4ever, you boggle my mind.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 20:46:04 GMT -5
2.) It's 'cool' to hate Bush, so that approval rating is misleading. Even secretive Bush-lovers will claim to hate Bush because they don't want to bother trying to support him. Plus, Bush is used as a scapegoat now, so no matter what he does, he's hated. to many people hate bush for it to be cool its just normal and right |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 24, 2009 23:18:28 GMT -5
2.) It's 'cool' to hate Bush, so that approval rating is misleading. Even secretive Bush-lovers will claim to hate Bush because they don't want to bother trying to support him. Plus, Bush is used as a scapegoat now, so no matter what he does, he's hated. to many people hate bush for it to be cool its just normal and right Applying that logic to Oasis then, I guess it's not "cool" to hate them, but rather just normal and right...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 5:21:00 GMT -5
to many people hate bush for it to be cool its just normal and right Applying that logic to Oasis then, I guess it's not "cool" to hate them, but rather just normal and right...... probably they do need to split and noel go solo |
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Post by NYR on Jan 25, 2009 11:34:44 GMT -5
to many people hate bush for it to be cool its just normal and right Applying that logic to Oasis then, I guess it's not "cool" to hate them, but rather just normal and right...... oasis haven't wiretapped or went into two wars. the only torture oasis have pulled off was heathen chemistry. |
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Post by joeyfrancis on Jan 25, 2009 12:30:26 GMT -5
k+  |
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jan 25, 2009 12:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by caro on Jan 25, 2009 14:50:46 GMT -5
Hello there I never said I was a Bush supporter!
All I'm saying is that I think some of the criticism is abusive. He made a bunch of wrong decisions and LIKE ANY OTHER POLITICIAN UNFORTUNATELY lied to push some of his decisions.
Not everything wrong that happened lately is his own fault either. The financial crisis is the result of years and years of bad decisions made by the financial sector (credit crisis).
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Post by halftheworld on Jan 25, 2009 15:36:07 GMT -5
Being educated....it's a wonderful thing and we all wish, you were. |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Jan 25, 2009 17:23:46 GMT -5
Being educated....it's a wonderful thing: When he left office in 1953, Truman was one of the most unpopular chief executives in history. His job approval rating of 22 percent in the Gallup Poll as of February 1952 was actually lower than Richard Nixon's was in August 1974 at 24 percent, the month that Nixon resigned. Public feeling toward Truman grew steadily warmer with the passing years, however, and the period shortly after his death consolidated a partial rehabilitation among both historians and members of the general public. Since leaving office, Truman has fared well in polls ranking the presidents. He has never been listed lower than ninth, and most recently was seventh in a Wall Street Journal poll in 2005. What are you talking about, Live4evr? Is your idea of being educated stealing something from someone else's blog or something? Honestly, Truman is not highly regarded by many - it was his failed policies of containment that put America in the position it was for the entire Cold War. Democrats, like Truman, and equally Republicans were stuck in that ideological trap until the start of the 90s. Honestly, Truman didn't do a very impressive job..... But at the same time, when you're President for 8 years people are ready to see you go....... |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 25, 2009 19:24:47 GMT -5
Being educated....it's a wonderful thing: When he left office in 1953, Truman was one of the most unpopular chief executives in history. His job approval rating of 22 percent in the Gallup Poll as of February 1952 was actually lower than Richard Nixon's was in August 1974 at 24 percent, the month that Nixon resigned. Public feeling toward Truman grew steadily warmer with the passing years, however, and the period shortly after his death consolidated a partial rehabilitation among both historians and members of the general public. Since leaving office, Truman has fared well in polls ranking the presidents. He has never been listed lower than ninth, and most recently was seventh in a Wall Street Journal poll in 2005. What are you talking about, Live4evr? Is your idea of being educated stealing something from someone else's blog or something? Honestly, Truman is not highly regarded by many - it was his failed policies of containment that put America in the position it was for the entire Cold War. Democrats, like Truman, and equally Republicans were stuck in that ideological trap until the start of the 90s. Honestly, Truman didn't do a very impressive job..... But at the same time, when you're President for 8 years people are ready to see you go....... That's from wikipedia. And in every single one of my history and poli sci classes, Truman is mentioned for how he was seen as a bad president at the time, but that's no longer the case. If you listen to me, you might learn something. Get it through your thick skull that while you may personally not like Truman, the academic community and corresponding historians and politicians view the man as a great president. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 25, 2009 19:31:08 GMT -5
A Great President for Difficult Times: www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20407585-25377,00.html There are many many many more articles out there comparing Bush to Truman, and many that are by more prestigious organizations than The Australian, but this is one of the first I found, and can't be bothered to look more. The simple fact is that Truman is now seen as a good president, and perhaps in 30 years time we'll view Bush in a much better light, too. Stop being naive. |
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