l41n
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Post by l41n on Nov 19, 2008 14:38:38 GMT -5
I've just been going through some old Youtube videos from the 2002 tour. SCYHO, DYKWIM, SMS...
I'm digging Liams voice here, it's really good. A lot better than 2000 or any time since in my opinion. I don't get it when people say his voice has been shit since 2000...he's on amazing form in Tokyo.
Thoughts?
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Nov 19, 2008 15:42:18 GMT -5
I'm not a massive bootleg collector so I can only comment on the handful I've heard from each tour, but I'm a fan of his 2002 voice.
I gather from other posts that he faded off spectacularly in the second half of the tour - as I say I can't really comment. But imo he sounds a lot crisper than in 2000.
I'd say he's been "shit" since Glastonbury 2004 where he was completely shot to bits.
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Ferret
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Post by Ferret on Nov 20, 2008 7:19:29 GMT -5
When the tour started, Liam was fairly good. The first Berlin gig, the MTV Superdry gig and the TV specials for Top Of The Pops and CDUK show this. However, he was bad even by the time of Finsbury Park. Listen to SCYHO from that gig, painful. And Liam was becoming aware of his voice, I think, as he walked off at three different gigs, leaving Noel to carry on.
He wasn't fully shit until 2004, though. Glasto was a discrace.
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Post by thegear on Nov 24, 2008 7:28:26 GMT -5
I've just been going through some old Youtube videos from the 2002 tour. SCYHO, DYKWIM, SMS... I'm digging Liams voice here, it's really good. A lot better than 2000 or any time since in my opinion. I don't get it when people say his voice has been shit since 2000...he's on amazing form in Tokyo. Thoughts? I think they're are definitely some good performanes from 2002 and onwards, but, it is clear if you have a look at performaces from 2001 the best example being the Barrowlands gig (Noise and Confusion gigs) that something had happened over that period. Whether he was sick, or whatever, it one of the first signs that maybe he had pushed his voice during the SOTSOG period too far and was beginning to pay for it.. Just look at the major difference that a year and half made to his voice from the start of the SOTSOG tour in Yokohama in Feb 2000 to October 2001 at Barrowlands, it is staggering. (And YES people will say this was the start of the tour, but by the time they did the noise and confusion tour they hadn't played since the fuji rock festival in late july 2001 so that can't be the issue).. His voice by the time of Barrowlands is less tuneful and more gruff like we have become accustomed to. Check it out Go Let it Out on both these occasions .. Oasis - Go Let It Out at Barrowlands Compared to: Oasis - Yokohama Arena Japan 2000 |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Nov 25, 2008 3:30:53 GMT -5
Well, as it stands Liam has just gotten more consistantly bad. Before he was on some nights and off some others. In 2004/05 he was universally shite. He's been better this tour, but it's on and off.
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Post by Underneath the sky on Nov 25, 2008 7:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 25, 2008 7:22:48 GMT -5
he's on amazing form in Tokyo. I agree. Love "The Hindu Times" from Yoyogi. His voice might have been crap, but his attitude for this song is great. Also "Better Man" from MTV Superdry is class. |
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Post by johnlennon696 on Nov 25, 2008 12:00:07 GMT -5
Yeah, also DYKWIM from MTV Superdry...
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Post by hogy on Nov 25, 2008 12:02:15 GMT -5
I've just been going through some old Youtube videos from the 2002 tour. SCYHO, DYKWIM, SMS... I'm digging Liams voice here, it's really good. A lot better than 2000 or any time since in my opinion. I don't get it when people say his voice has been shit since 2000...he's on amazing form in Tokyo. Thoughts? I think they're are definitely some good performanes from 2002 and onwards, but, it is clear if you have a look at performaces from 2001 the best example being the Barrowlands gig (Noise and Confusion gigs) that something had happened over that period. Whether he was sick, or whatever, it one of the first signs that maybe he had pushed his voice during the SOTSOG period too far and was beginning to pay for it.. Just look at the major difference that a year and half made to his voice from the start of the SOTSOG tour in Yokohama in Feb 2000 to October 2001 at Barrowlands, it is staggering. (And YES people will say this was the start of the tour, but by the time they did the noise and confusion tour they hadn't played since the fuji rock festival in late july 2001 so that can't be the issue).. His voice by the time of Barrowlands is less tuneful and more gruff like we have become accustomed to. Check it out Go Let it Out on both these occasions .. Oasis - Go Let It Out at Barrowlands Compared to: Oasis - Yokohama Arena Japan 2000 how about how big the difference was from the japan 2000(listed above) and the wembley satdium gig 4 or 5 months later(familiar to millions) can that be explained??? |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Nov 27, 2008 23:09:50 GMT -5
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Post by forestfan on Dec 14, 2008 22:12:09 GMT -5
I think they're are definitely some good performanes from 2002 and onwards, but, it is clear if you have a look at performaces from 2001 the best example being the Barrowlands gig (Noise and Confusion gigs) that something had happened over that period. Whether he was sick, or whatever, it one of the first signs that maybe he had pushed his voice during the SOTSOG period too far and was beginning to pay for it.. Just look at the major difference that a year and half made to his voice from the start of the SOTSOG tour in Yokohama in Feb 2000 to October 2001 at Barrowlands, it is staggering. (And YES people will say this was the start of the tour, but by the time they did the noise and confusion tour they hadn't played since the fuji rock festival in late july 2001 so that can't be the issue).. His voice by the time of Barrowlands is less tuneful and more gruff like we have become accustomed to. Check it out Go Let it Out on both these occasions .. Oasis - Go Let It Out at Barrowlands Compared to: Oasis - Yokohama Arena Japan 2000 how about how big the difference was from the japan 2000(listed above) and the wembley satdium gig 4 or 5 months later(familiar to millions) can that be explained??? the divorce of Patsy Kensit drinking excessively..taking lots of drugs..thats why Liam was gryff in ftm |
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Post by NYR on Dec 14, 2008 22:24:18 GMT -5
could his adam's apple have expanded? that can definitely do it.
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Post by helmet959 on Dec 15, 2008 0:19:43 GMT -5
hate to say, but i think the reason the Lyons SCYHO from 2002 sounds as good as it does is the reverb put over the whole broadcast, softens the harshness of his voice
there are some good boots from 2002, lyons is one of the most listenable, toyko is great too, the superdry at the beginning of the our, but the end of the tour was the worst stretch he's ever had
the glastonbury gig was more of the 2003 voice we heard at the end of the HC tour, maybe thats when he really started to notice he was struggling
so i think in 05 he never had a terrible stretch of gigs, but there were less nights where he was realllly on point, no superdry in the boots from 05, boston 2005 is the best boot i have, i guess he was a bit more consistent than during the HC tour, the consistency from this tour makes me think he was starting to take better shape of his voice
then in the break decided to go full into taking good care of himself, he's been as consistent as during the dbtt tour, but sounds better! at the beginning (london rehearsa) he sounds better than anything going back to and including the 2000 tour IMO, he's got the voice back to that level, just less lung capacity
i'll take the shortened notes, because he's hitting them better this tour, he's breathing better, making him able to sing softer on the verse bits of champagne supernova, he hasn't done that in years!
so to summarize, haha, i think he's got his 2000 voice back, just with less lung capacity (shorter notes, has to control his breathing better)
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Post by oasis1409 on Dec 19, 2008 13:21:37 GMT -5
is that true that smoking reduces lung capacity?
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Post by lampard on Dec 19, 2008 17:27:15 GMT -5
i wonder if he has seen a doctor about his vocal chords. it seems that when he really pushes his vox they go way off which suggests they're really weak/sensitive. isn't there some kind of treatment for that?
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 20, 2008 7:12:36 GMT -5
Liam's voice was already deteriorating quite noticeably by 2002 and it just kept getting worse. But this was the moment that really horrified me. Fast forward to 1:18 ish: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oEtuKXRY6J0 |
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Post by oasis1409 on Dec 20, 2008 10:11:11 GMT -5
yeah!! Kerrrmit out of tune ;D
ok i think that was definitely the last time they played SCYHO
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Post by pwntinator on Dec 20, 2008 10:20:19 GMT -5
yeah!! Kerrrmit out of tune ;D ok i think that was definitely the last time they played SCYHO They played SCYHO in the beginning of the DBTT tour. Here's from Milan 2005 (even if it says Wembley). uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Fo2sgg7PY |
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Dec 21, 2008 17:17:02 GMT -5
It's not that atrocious but it doesn't sound particularly good!!
Beyond that, I mean, look at the fucking crowd. They are having it!!!
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Post by B.e.D.e. on Dec 21, 2008 21:47:34 GMT -5
I think they're are definitely some good performanes from 2002 and onwards, but, it is clear if you have a look at performaces from 2001 the best example being the Barrowlands gig (Noise and Confusion gigs) that something had happened over that period. Whether he was sick, or whatever, it one of the first signs that maybe he had pushed his voice during the SOTSOG period too far and was beginning to pay for it.. Just look at the major difference that a year and half made to his voice from the start of the SOTSOG tour in Yokohama in Feb 2000 to October 2001 at Barrowlands, it is staggering. (And YES people will say this was the start of the tour, but by the time they did the noise and confusion tour they hadn't played since the fuji rock festival in late july 2001 so that can't be the issue).. His voice by the time of Barrowlands is less tuneful and more gruff like we have become accustomed to. Check it out Go Let it Out on both these occasions .. Oasis - Go Let It Out at Barrowlands Compared to: Oasis - Yokohama Arena Japan 2000 how about how big the difference was from the japan 2000(listed above) and the wembley satdium gig 4 or 5 months later(familiar to millions) can that be explained??? well he was kinda drunk at those gigs  |
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Post by Greeeeny93 on Oct 30, 2020 5:12:27 GMT -5
18 years later.
What we saying.
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Post by goletitout1986 on Oct 30, 2020 5:35:49 GMT -5
18 years later. What we saying. Weak for me in 2002. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Oct 30, 2020 5:45:45 GMT -5
I, for one, am SHOCKED that a man's voice has changed.
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 30, 2020 7:06:54 GMT -5
It makes me wonder how long he was singing through an undiagnosed thyroid condition. Especially 04/05 where he didn't sound human at some gigs. It must have been a massive source of frustration for Liam and Noel, maybe pride and stubborness prevented Liam from getting himself checked by a doctor at the time.
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Post by tiger40 on May 15, 2021 13:35:13 GMT -5
I've always liked Liam's 2002 voice and I think that it's as bad as what some people think.
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