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Post by saintoasis on Nov 7, 2008 5:59:34 GMT -5
DOYS is great but what stops being up their with DM and MG is the 10th song. While i like the last few songs they just fade away and don't go anywhere. It's like if Slide Away was never on DM and the last 3 songs were No.9 DD, No. 10 *another average album song* and No.11 MWC. DD and MWC are made sound a lot better because of SA. If No.10 on DOYS was a big anthem like TT of FD this album would have definitely been up their with their first stuff. SO would also sound 10 times better too if it followed a big anthem in the same way MWC does following Slide Away.......
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Post by LlAM on Nov 7, 2008 8:12:21 GMT -5
I agree. Not with no. 10 as such, but with the fact that DOYS really needs a big song near the end. As it is, it just fades out into nothing.
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Post by calioasis on Nov 7, 2008 11:29:09 GMT -5
Exactly how I feel. And good comparison to Definitely Maybe. I think everyone would agree MWC and DD don't belong on any Oasis greatest hits album. Having an epic track like Slide Away there makes them great album tracks. Solider On is such a great album closer, very dreamy and kind of fades into the ether. I think a lot of people on this board have come around on that. The production is absolutely amazing. However, the track before needs to be an single-level or epic song to give Soldier On proper perspective. They ended the album with Gem, Liam, Andy, Liam. What was Noel thinking?!
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Post by Smige on Nov 7, 2008 11:57:44 GMT -5
I agree too. The last few songs are good, but not good enough so that you can't wait to hear them. I'd say they should have scrapped AGN, had TNOR as track 9 then had a great Noel anthem as track 10.
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Post by keeso on Nov 7, 2008 13:46:09 GMT -5
I agree too. The last few songs are good, but not good enough so that you can't wait to hear them. I'd say they should have scrapped AGN, had TNOR as track 9 then had a great Noel anthem as track 10. Once again I have to argue that AGN is a damn good track. Keeso
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Post by lampard on Nov 7, 2008 15:04:38 GMT -5
to be fair they had to hastily assemble the album cos two songs (record machine, come on it's alright) were supposed to be recorded and done up but then liam got married and they never got around to it.
as nice as it is, i think get off your high horse lady ruins the tempo of the album quite a bit.. imagine if record machine was in there and another one as you said before was track 9 or 10?
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Post by talktonight89 on Nov 7, 2008 16:32:00 GMT -5
I personally think that only huge fault of the album is The Nature of Reality. Although AGN and GOYHHL may not be up to par with the rest of the album, they don't ruin the flow, whereas TNOR completely ruins it for me. i agree that a really solid anthem would have saved the album and put dig out your soul up there with the first 2 records. I can honestly say that TNOR is one of the first oasis tracks i really do not like, there is nothing to it. I'm not knocking Andy Bell, i completely support there being other songwriters in the band when appropriate. But i think Noel is way to focused on giving andy gem and liam their quota on songs regardless of the quality. I think most people would agree that Noel definitly had many other songs that would have been of better quality to put at that spot rather than Nature of Reality. other than that though GREAT album, love it minus my one skip ( track 10 )
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Nov 7, 2008 16:53:12 GMT -5
NOR is the weakes track for me and the sad thing is, is that I think Andy has it in him. I know he can write better songs and I did really like KTDA.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 7, 2008 22:38:08 GMT -5
This is an incredible observation, actually. Credit to you. I can only agree with you.
I mean, I love DD and MWC, and I think both those songs are stronger than AGN and SO, but your point remains valid.
If the last quarter of DM read as such: 9.) Digsy's Dinner 10.) (As Long as they Got) Cigarettes in Hell 11.) Married With Children
It would be a more disappointing ending. Again, DD is fun and catchy, while MWC is sweet and great lyrics - so I'm not too sure we would hate those songs regardless of the #10 wedged in between them. But Slide Away does make them seem stronger, makes it seem worthwhile to listen to the full album.
Imagine if DOYS was:
9.) Ain't Got Nothing 10.) Record Machine (Improved version of course, but even the demo would work.....) 11.) Soldier On
That one little change would have made a big difference.....Instead of having 3 poor/average songs in a row, you have 2 average songs but separated by a belter of a song. I think it's more psychological if anything - it's more daunting to see 3 average songs in a row than it is to see 2 average songs but with a great one wedged in between......
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 7, 2008 23:29:02 GMT -5
For curiosity sake, let's look at Oasis' last 3 tracks on each album (excluding the Reprise on BHN)
I started doing that, but realized that for reason or another most albums can't be analyzed that way
However, I do confidently feel that DBTT can compare to DOYS in this regard -
9.) Keep the Dream Alive 10.) A Bell Will Ring 11.) Let there Be Love
Personally, I feel that KTDA is DBTT's most forgotten song. Could do with better production, but I think its great - kind of like the Stand By Me of DBTT. While I feel that ABWR is the worst on that album, followed by LTBL (should have been epic).
What if you just changed the order? 9.) A Bell Will Ring 10.) Keep the Dream Alive 11.) Let there Be Love
Do you think that would have made a difference? Put the stronger of those 3 songs in the middle.....?
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Post by thegear on Nov 8, 2008 1:35:51 GMT -5
For curiosity sake, let's look at Oasis' last 3 tracks on each album (excluding the Reprise on BHN)While I feel that ABWR is the worst on that album, followed by LTBL (should have been epic). What if you just changed the order? 9.) A Bell Will Ring 10.) Keep the Dream Alive 11.) Let there Be Love Do you think that would have made a difference? Put the stronger of those 3 songs in the middle.....? What are u on about?? No difference. It's DBTT, it sold, and is just fine how it is! DBTT is not the issue here. ABWR the worst on the album?? Completely disagree, its a great song with a good groove, neat guitar parts, and like most of Gem's lyrics it actually sounds like he has thought about what he is singing about- which can hardly be said for any Noel's lyrical accomplishments lately.. I'm with Ringo- the song is ace. I think in a year on or so there will be a strong argument that DBTT is more consistent than DOYS from a songwriting point of view.
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Post by rmillis on Nov 8, 2008 1:47:01 GMT -5
Stop the Clocks or Record Machine would have made this album a half star better. It's really that simple. We should start Andy Bell hate threads for the garbage song TNOR. It doesn't belong on ANY OASIS ALBUM!!!!
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Post by caimanque on Nov 8, 2008 10:01:58 GMT -5
Stop the Clocks or Record Machine would have made this album a half star better. It's really that simple. We should start Andy Bell hate threads for the garbage song TNOR. It doesn't belong on ANY OASIS ALBUM!!!! STC & RM doesnt belong with the style of the album. No old 60's were allowed on this album. TNOR is cool as fuck, one of my favourites, and in my opinion its better than a lot of the early stuff. But, if u dont like that song, why blaming Andy? It is well known that Noel was the one who chose that song for inclusion on DOYS.
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Post by LlAM on Nov 8, 2008 11:11:28 GMT -5
We should start Andy Bell hate threads for the garbage song TNOR. It doesn't belong on ANY OASIS ALBUM!!!! I've mentioned this plenty of times before, but I'm saying it again: I bet you Andy and Gem have contracts allowing them to have at least one track on each album to earn royalties.
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Nov 8, 2008 11:19:16 GMT -5
We should start Andy Bell hate threads for the garbage song TNOR. It doesn't belong on ANY OASIS ALBUM!!!! Noel said it was only Andy's fifth best song. Dave Sardy and Noel probably had the most say which tracks go on the album, so go complain to them...
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Post by SOULDIGGER on Nov 8, 2008 21:12:37 GMT -5
Shouldha,couldha,wouldha
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Post by GasPanic on Nov 9, 2008 2:12:44 GMT -5
Noel said it was only Andy's fifth best song. Dave Sardy and Noel probably had the most say which tracks go on the album, so go complain to them... Actually, Andy recorded 5 songs, in order from the one Andy thought was the best to the one he thought was the worst. Noel thought that The Nature Of Reality was amazing, and said he wanted it on there, Andy was hesitant but let it on, didn't play anything on the song, but I think he helped to produce it. So if you hate the song, blame Noel Just like if you hate how more people started writing songs, blame Noel. Just like if you hate Sardy, blame Noel. Just like if you hate Be Here Now, blame Noel. But in the end, his greatness outweighs all those things, so he still wins, and this song makes him look even better
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Post by Soldier Ron on Nov 9, 2008 3:45:19 GMT -5
Exactly. I'd like to say thanks to NG for choosing this song for the LP. The Nature of Reality is a top quality tune which unlike some of the half-arsed, insipid material on HC and DBTT rocks like a bastard.
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Nov 9, 2008 11:43:01 GMT -5
For curiosity sake, let's look at Oasis' last 3 tracks on each album (excluding the Reprise on BHN)I started doing that, but realized that for reason or another most albums can't be analyzed that way However, I do confidently feel that DBTT can compare to DOYS in this regard - 9.) Keep the Dream Alive 10.) A Bell Will Ring 11.) Let there Be Love Personally, I feel that KTDA is DBTT's most forgotten song. Could do with better production, but I think its great - kind of like the Stand By Me of DBTT. While I feel that ABWR is the worst on that album, followed by LTBL (should have been epic). What if you just changed the order? 9.) A Bell Will Ring 10.) Keep the Dream Alive 11.) Let there Be Love Do you think that would have made a difference? Put the stronger of those 3 songs in the middle.....? I think you're right and wrong, Live4evr. It definitely makes a difference what song goes second last. Generally it's accepted that the second last song be upbeat because the last song usually isn't. If you look at most albums that are boring you'll realise it's because the last songs aren't very good. That makes it go downhill and once you get through the A material it's not longer exciting. Look at Travis' first record, the White Album, or Zep III I love both of those records, but you can clearly see the sound slip cos they are tacking the weak songs on later. That's so that they audience is lost later, rather than sooner!!!
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Post by saintoasis on Nov 13, 2008 9:12:48 GMT -5
I'd say they should have scrapped AGN, had TNOR as track 9 then had a great Noel anthem as track 10. That's what i would have done, TNOR at 9, big anthem at 10 and then SO... I do like AGN though What if you just changed the order? 9.) A Bell Will Ring 10.) Keep the Dream Alive 11.) Let there Be Love Ye agree, when you've a slow closer, you need a big anthem to proceed it.. KTDA would have worked better i think
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Post by Moorish on Nov 13, 2008 11:25:58 GMT -5
to be fair they had to hastily assemble the album cos two songs (record machine, come on it's alright) were supposed to be recorded and done up but then liam got married and they never got around to it. To be fair, they only had three fuckin' years to make the record. "Never got around to it" is bullshit. "Laziness" is more accurate. If you were in a band and making an album, one that you knew would be heard around the world and be part of the musical legacy on which you were judged, would you "not get around to" recording these apparently great songs which would only make it better? Course not. You'd work your fucking socks off and get them recorded. It's not painting the Sistine Chapel.
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Post by His Royal Majesty Revolver on Nov 13, 2008 23:11:36 GMT -5
A record shouldn't take that long... espcially when you have 4 songwriters. How hard is it to come up with 11 songs that are good?
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Post by Cast on Nov 13, 2008 23:26:40 GMT -5
How hard is it to come up with 11 songs that are good?[/quote I agree Ryan Adams does it every year and 3 times (or should i say 4 cos Cold Roses was a double album) in 2005. But I'm willingly to wait for the boys every 3 years to release a record because when Noel Gallagher is on of his game he still writes some of the best songs ever. And the others provide great tunes too. I just wish they could have finished those songs cos we've waited 3 years for this why not do a quick little session?
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Post by themanwithnoname on Nov 14, 2008 3:27:44 GMT -5
I think in a year on or so there will be a strong argument that DBTT is more consistent than DOYS from a songwriting point of view. I thought this about a week into listening to Dig Out Your Soul and then going back and listening to Don't Believe The Truth. The songwriting is far more consistent on DBTT, The Meaning of Soul is a bit lame and Let There Be Love is too syrupy for my liking but apart from that it's pretty solid all the way through. DOYS goes from a great first half hour to a complete pile of shit. Record Machine, another half-decent Noel tune (NOT Stop The Clocks, it's boring) and maybe Boy With The Blues should have gone on there. As a mate of mine said, you can sort of picture Noel secretly breathing a sigh of relief that they've somehow got away with it again.
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Post by talktonight89 on Nov 17, 2008 15:18:56 GMT -5
1. Bag It Up 2. The Turning 3. Waiting For the Rapture (Alt. Version) 4. The Shock of The Lightening 5. Im Outta Time 6. GOYHHL 7. Falling Down 8. To Be Where There's Life 9. Aint Got Nothin 10. Record Machine 11. Stop The Clocks 12. (or bonus track) Soldier On
I think taht would have been interesting. I think 12 tracks would have been appropriate and agree with everyone that Record Machine at the ten spot would have done wonders for the album
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