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Post by johnnyb on Oct 18, 2008 14:22:34 GMT -5
Hey befpre i start please dont anyone start kicking off that im going on about his voice, this is infact quite interestring.
I was reading about Robert Plant, and it said that on one of the albums he was suffering from "Nodules" in the throat, which leads to a huge drop in range and quality of the voice.
So i looked it up on wikipedia and a big list of singers came up who have suffered from it and most of them have had very successful treatment for it, on the list it said "Liam Gallagher the lead singer from oasis is rumoured to have nodules due to his poor live performances over the years.
So im not 100% but if he has got them, apparently if you get them successfully removed it gets your voice back to its near best.
Lets get a petition going for him to do it
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Post by Micky on Oct 18, 2008 14:25:34 GMT -5
The years of taking too much cigarettes, alcohol and drugs have caught up with him which is the problem.
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 18, 2008 14:27:58 GMT -5
So why is Noels voice still the same?
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Post by Micky on Oct 18, 2008 14:50:20 GMT -5
Because he doesn't sing as many songs as Liam, especially from the first three tours when Noel sang probably 1 song at gigs.
DM - 100% Liam sang
WTSMG - 90% Liam sang, 1 song by Noel
BHN - 90% Liam sang, 1 song by Noel (Seldom used on Tour)
Only 4 songs sang from The Masterplan (1 or 2 used on tours)
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SOTSOG - 80% Liam, 2 by Noel (Seldom used on tour)
HC - 70% Liam sang - 3 by Noel (2 used on tour)
DBTT - (irrelevant)
So to sum it up Liam has averagely sung over 85% of the songs for the last 15 years....
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Oct 18, 2008 14:58:27 GMT -5
I don't think he has vocal nodules, because over a long period of time (without singing), the nodules tend to go away (or in any case, they don't get worse). But at the start of each tour, his voice seems worse than the tour before (at the end of the BHN tour, his voice was better than at the start of the SOTSOG tour. At the end of the HC tour, he voice was better than at the start of the DBTT tour. The only exception is the current tour, but I have a feeling his voice won't hold up very long). So it has to be something that hurts his voice constantly, which might be the cigs...
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 18, 2008 15:05:11 GMT -5
I rekon there is a good chance that he has nodules, and on the point that Liam sings more than liam thats obviously true, but noel is the one that writes most of the songs so when he is writing or demoing any new material he will be singing all the time, also liams voice changed a long time ago when you couldnt really justify it was all cigs and booze.
Nobody knows maybe its a combination of both, maybe its wishful thinking, but it would be amaxing to see it almost back to its best
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Post by mrmojorisen on Oct 18, 2008 15:13:58 GMT -5
In my opinion his voice was ruff at the wembley shows especially the first night (I also think Liam himself was onto how bad his voice was in certain parts )
I also see em in Liverpool first night and thought he was mega so its a strange one.
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Oct 18, 2008 15:16:17 GMT -5
also liams voice changed a long time ago when you couldnt really justify it was all cigs and booze. That would mean he already got vocal nodules back in 1994 (which is obviously not the case), where in bootlegs you hear his vocal range decrease with every single month (for example the first time he couldn't sing the falsetto "You and I are gonna live forever" bit anymore). His vocal range has been decreasing in quality ever since his manchester boardwalk gigs (and probably even before that). He has been smoking since he was in his adolescent years, in combination with his ageing voice that's probably the reason for all of it.
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 18, 2008 15:20:45 GMT -5
Well you seem to know more about nodules than me, can cigs affect the actual range that much? i do beleive that they have been a contrbuting factor, but its so bad its hard to beleve its just the cigs and booze, it would be nice to know its something else too that can be treated
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Oct 18, 2008 15:28:26 GMT -5
Well you seem to know more about nodules than me, can cigs affect the actual range that much? i do beleive that they have been a contrbuting factor, but its so bad its hard to beleve its just the cigs and booze, it would be nice to know its something else too that can be treated I think the ageing of his voice has decreased his vocal range (his voice getting deeper), and the cigs have caused the damage to the overall performance of his voice (the fact that he sounds like kermit and tired, that he's out of breath, etc.). I don't think anything can help him (well he can quit smoking), but it's all just speculation. I actually hope it's vocal nodules so it can be 'repaired', but it's probably sth else
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 18, 2008 15:36:22 GMT -5
Me too, i actually think liams voice was at its best around 1997 when it started to get a bit gravelly but not too much, the 94 voice for me was a bit too clean, stay young is a great example of his amazing voice back in the day
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Post by thedon on Oct 18, 2008 16:23:30 GMT -5
It'd be good if he actually got it checked out just so he himself had proof that he does have nodules. I'd imagine having that on his mind when he's struggling at a gig might actually convince himself to having surgery.
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 18, 2008 16:25:28 GMT -5
yeah but i get the impression liam is too proud to maybe admit there is something wrong with his voice, and others around him are probably too scared to suggest getting it sorted
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Post by shanghaichica on Oct 18, 2008 17:04:43 GMT -5
The problem with having surgery for nodules is that there is a risk that you can loose your voice all together. Julie Andrews had surgery on her nodules and now she cant sing at all. In some cases it will restore the voice but in others it can make it worse or it might not fully restore it. I dont think it's worth the risk, he doesnt sound that bad.
Anyway Im not suprised he sounds the way he does now, his singing technique is unusual, I doubt he even warms his voice up before gigs. The way he uses his voice would probably not be advised by vocal coaches. After belting all those songs out for all these years it's obviouslt taken it's toll on his voice.
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Post by thedon on Oct 18, 2008 17:19:55 GMT -5
...I doubt he even warms his voice up before gigs... He's said before that he doesn't. Which just makes me think he's a bit of an idiot.
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Post by trikz on Oct 18, 2008 17:36:37 GMT -5
...I doubt he even warms his voice up before gigs... He's said before that he doesn't. Which just makes me think he's a bit of an idiot. I dno on lord dont slow me down DVD you hear him warming up with the wierd sounds
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Post by vespa on Oct 19, 2008 11:51:45 GMT -5
whats happened with his voice is something to do with age but mostly the fact his singing technique is a killer,the guy is literally screaming his vocals out an his neck was strained excessively during the 90s esp on the be here now tour,thats why he sounded so different when they came back in 2000.this explains his new relaxed approach towards the mic.do people honestly think that liam hasnt noticed?noel also stated a few weeks ago that liams voice has changed,people really do need to stop going on about it,he is trying to help himself an his voice sounds alot better live now,one bad song an everyones on his back!!you will never ever hear liam sing like he used to,lets just let him get on with it!!
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Post by alliwantisthetruth on Oct 19, 2008 13:09:06 GMT -5
his voice baffles me - IOT sounds amazing on every other youtube clip i've seen except wembley. Could it be the crowd on the youtube clips making him sound better??? Was the wembley gig for this song bad mixing? or was liam just awful for this one song??
He didn't sound to bad for the rest of the songs but IOT sounded awful
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Post by Mario on Oct 19, 2008 13:12:58 GMT -5
I'm not afraid to admit that liam at his best now is very average....his voice has gotten too raspy and he sounds like he is struggling to reach the notes. With that said he sounds great on DOYS
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Post by Meltdown on Oct 19, 2008 13:25:24 GMT -5
Right. So discussion about Liam's bad voice started again because of one bad Wembley gig? (yes he murdered I'm outta time and some other tunes) A week ago, wasn't everyone just saying how good he sounds now for example in Liverpool and other previous gigs? (and he really sounded very good on those previous gigs) You guys honestly believed that he would sound that good in EVERY night at this tour? Of course he will have bad nights, but also I'm sure that he will sing many great gigs also on this tour. Get over that Wembley gig.
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Post by alliwantisthetruth on Oct 19, 2008 13:33:48 GMT -5
but..... did he just sound better because it was crowd taken video from the liverpool gig and the crowd "helped" his vocals? or was the mixing bad at wembley? or was it liam having an off day?
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Post by Meltdown on Oct 19, 2008 13:40:49 GMT -5
but..... did he just sound better because it was crowd taken video from the liverpool gig and the crowd "helped" his vocals? or was the mixing bad at wembley? or was it liam having an off day? well, that's possible too, because Wembley was the first soundboard record, but I believe that he just had a bad day at Wembley gig.
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Post by Underneath the sky on Oct 19, 2008 13:41:59 GMT -5
also liams voice changed a long time ago when you couldnt really justify it was all cigs and booze. That would mean he already got vocal nodules back in 1994 (which is obviously not the case), where in bootlegs you hear his vocal range decrease with every single month (for example the first time he couldn't sing the falsetto "You and I are gonna live forever" bit anymore). His vocal range has been decreasing in quality ever since his manchester boardwalk gigs (and probably even before that). He has been smoking since he was in his adolescent years, in combination with his ageing voice that's probably the reason for all of it. It's true that his voice has been deteriorating for his entire career, but it suddenly got a lot worse in 2000. I don't know anything about vocal nodules, but it's got to be more than just cigarettes and his singing style, no one's voice should deteriorate that rapidly. His voice was fairly raspy on the BHN tour but it wasn't that much worse than in 1996, but in 2000 he was really struggling with their older material. I hope he does something to sort it out because no one wants to hear him singing like he was in 2006, that was painful listening. He's sounded pretty good so far on this tour but it's only a few gigs in, he was sounding good at the start of the DBTT tour too but was awful after a few months.
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Post by Moorish on Oct 19, 2008 15:17:18 GMT -5
His voice started to get raspy on the BHN tour. You can hear it on the G-Mex recording.
Paolo Hewitt mentions in Forever The People that Liam comes down with nodules on his throat, they have to pull some gigs because of it (there is some song and dance made of getting a doctor's note to sign this off, as without that it would mean they'd be liable for cancellation fees or something).
I would believe that he's got them - is it *just* that affecting his voice? Doubt it.
To me it doesn't sound markedly worse than the DBTT tour - though it doesn't sound any BETTER either, despite what some people will say on this board (mainly because they're wishing for it to be the case).
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Oct 19, 2008 15:17:44 GMT -5
whats happened with his voice is something to do with age but mostly the fact his singing technique is a killer,the guy is literally screaming his vocals out an his neck was strained excessively during the 90s esp on the be here now tour,thats why he sounded so different when they came back in 2000.this explains his new relaxed approach towards the mic.do people honestly think that liam hasnt noticed?noel also stated a few weeks ago that liams voice has changed,people really do need to stop going on about it,he is trying to help himself an his voice sounds alot better live now,one bad song an everyones on his back!!you will never ever hear liam sing like he used to,lets just let him get on with it!! round of applause for that post mate.
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