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Post by PsychedelicElvis on Aug 31, 2008 11:20:51 GMT -5
I know most oasis fans are aggressive critical bastards ( Just look at the negativty on this forum towards Oasis themselves!!) but I am genuinly shocked that DBTT is so put Down.
I've heard.....
LLAB is shit
Lyla is shit
LLBL is shit
KTDA is shit
ABWR is shit
MOS is shit
DBTT is 6/10
....you get my point
To be honest I'd be well happy if DOYS is as good as DBTT
Apart from Mucky Fingers, that really is rubbish ;D
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 5, 2008 18:21:24 GMT -5
I Love DBTT. All the songs including Mucky Fingers. I consider the album a genuine return to form.
2005/06= Great album and a f**kin' Awesome tour.
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Post by Jonny on Sept 6, 2008 8:44:33 GMT -5
My favourite ever album.
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Post by liamscoat on Sept 6, 2008 11:00:17 GMT -5
6 million sales and Q album of the year! It did ok and I can't understand the negativity...I think its a top top album and with no real low points....on early impressions though I think its going to get rampaged by DOYS ;D
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Post by drummert5 on Sept 6, 2008 12:08:43 GMT -5
It's just...very different from previous Oasis records. I know that sounds odd, cuz it's still normal big ballsy rock and roll tunes like the last 5 albums, but something just felt different about this one. Namely, it felt like what Oasis would be like without Noel in it. I know he wrote some of the songs, but it really felt (to me, anyway) like Andy, Gem, and Liam made an album, and some of a Noel solo album got stuck on it.
I blame Dave Sardy completely, he seems to be the biggest difference between Heathen Chemistry (which, for the record, I love) and this one. The drums are way too loud, there's not enough guitars, and Liam sounds more nasal than he ever has.
That, and the whole 'era' just didn't sit right with me - Noel and Liam both looked really weird, Liam with his sunglasses and way too short hair, and Noel with way too much hair, and singing down into the mic in that really strange way. I'm not saying I judge the music by how they look, but I definitely liked the HC look better.
The gigs were a bit off - it was obviously Liam's worst tour vocally, though some shows were pretty good (Boston). The Christmas lights everywhere just looked stupid, the band looked less excited than they ever have (I know they never go crazy, but they seemed particularly out of it on the DBTT tour)... and the setlist was abysmal. I was listening to the Tokyo Times gig from 2002 yesterday, and it struck me just how much more interesting the show was - Go Let It Out, Columbia, Some Might Say, Hello, some gigs even got Do You Know What I Mean and She's Electric. Even though they never really changed the setlist, it was a really interesting one to start with, so it was ok. On the DBTT tour we were back to Champagne Supernova, Wonderwall, Songbird, etc. Though Bring It On Down was nice.
Speaking of live shows, the DBTT stuff just didn't come across that well live, I thought. TUTS live is all over the place, it gets a good groove going and then looses all drive when Noel plays the solo, and the intro was just the weirdest start to a gig ever ("I know, let's have Zak play a load of rim clicks at the beginning, that'll get 'em jumping..."). Lyla worked alright when Liam could sing it - it's a bitch to sing, I know, but they should have played it in A or something to help him out. Idle and Mucky Fingers seemed to turn on whether Noel cared that night - sometimes, it was good, other times it was just really boring. GGTIA and A Bell Will Ring were quite cool, funnily neither one made it to the current tour. And MOS is irritating if only because it counts as a "whole" song - they put that down on the list and that's 1 out of 17 even though it's only 90 seconds.
It's not that I want the band to be stuck in 1996, or 2002 for that matter either - they tried new things with SOTSOG, and to a lesser extent with HC, and I love those albums. I just didn't like the direction they went in 2005. The jury is still out on 2008 - I haven't heard any boots yet cuz I want the first time I hear the new stuff to be when I get the album, but we'll see. They're still a great band, this last time round just wasn't my cup of tea, that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 15:02:58 GMT -5
6 million sales and Q album of the year! It did ok and I can't understand the negativity...I think its a top top album and with no real low points....on early impressions though I think its going to get rampaged by DOYS ;D Did it really reach 6 million? Last I heard was 3-4 million which is still damn impressive. |
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Post by quellophant on Sept 6, 2008 19:47:29 GMT -5
If anything DBTT is massively over-rated. I will let you have your own opinion on it obviously, unlike some others here would...  I wasn't aware of anyone making fun of this album other than me, I thought it was universally thought of as a return to form and a stepping stone? Mon the SOTSOG, now there's an album that gets too much stick! |
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Post by _COLUMBIA_ on Sept 6, 2008 20:01:11 GMT -5
I love the album.
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Post by quellophant on Sept 6, 2008 20:04:02 GMT -5
See, this proves my argument. Everyone loves it (except me)... If anything you are in the majority bishop! Well done. I think I have a strange taste in music... Sardy was the favourite producer as well, remember, when I did that poll. |
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 20:16:19 GMT -5
Let There Be Love is an amazing song that doesnt get any love here
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Post by quellophant on Sept 6, 2008 20:56:59 GMT -5
LTBL is probably my favourite on DBTT. RM and STC would've topped it though.
I have no idea why it had to be a choice between only one of these three. Get MF off and put RM and STC on in it's place. Neither STC or RM are a closer anyways, they'd have fitted in nicely if cleaned up a bit from the demo versions we have...
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Post by Oasis39 on Sept 6, 2008 22:32:45 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers is a great song if you ask me, and Noel did want it to be a single, so MF would never be off. How about not being afraid to have more than 11 songs on an album Noel? And stop taking 8 years to write songs. RM and STC are amazing songs, And its getting rediculous that theyre still not released in final form. Imagine how Mega DBTT would have been with the addition of those 2 tracks. Its songs like that that DBTT was missing, you know, those real standout, hit songs. Dont get me wrong, I love DBTT, but had it had these 2 songs on it, It would have been sooooo much better
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Post by supersonicj on Sept 7, 2008 5:29:55 GMT -5
At first i loved the album and the summer/60's kinda feel to it but now after how ever long its been since its release it doesn't really do anything for me.
I love POTQ, MF & TIOBI, and don't mind the rest of the album apart from TMOS which just does nothing for me.
The album just seems to lack that drive for me, too much acoustic for a band like oasis. From hearing TSOTL, FD, TBWTL and AGN from DOYS i can already hear much more of the oasis vibe i personally love than i can listening to the entire DBTT album.
In 10 years time it will be the ideal summer album but it just lacks anything right now for me.
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Post by mostdefomaybe on Sept 7, 2008 5:47:15 GMT -5
it doesnt get enough stick....
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Post by mostdefomaybe on Sept 7, 2008 6:10:09 GMT -5
If anything DBTT is massively over-rated. I will let you have your own opinion on it obviously, unlike some others here would... I wasn't aware of anyone making fun of this album other than me, I thought it was universally thought of as a return to form and a stepping stone? Mon the SOTSOG, now there's an album that gets too much stick! Agree with everything you say |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 10, 2008 2:52:13 GMT -5
I really liked Lyla, Guess God Thinks I'm Abel and Keep The Dream Alive.
Mucky Fingers and A Bell Will Ring were ok although they didn't really go anywhere.
The rest was pretty much filler.
I think the album was the band experimenting with a more classic rock sound which doesn't really suit them. Oh, and the production was poor on several songs.
I haven't listened to it in a long time.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2008 4:46:36 GMT -5
I love the DBTT. If you include B-sides of the last 3 albums it's definitely way stronger than Heathen Chemistry. SOTSOG is a close second.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2008 14:17:59 GMT -5
Just listened to it again and it's still good stuff! I think I finally found some love for LTBL, the part when Noel comes in is brilliant.
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Post by fergal41 on Sept 13, 2008 15:22:17 GMT -5
DBTT is the third best Oasis album, and a fantastic album at that. Unlike any other Oasis album other than the first two, if DBTT was the debut album of any band that band would be massive. Theres a lot of great tunes on that album, a few stinkers but thats it. Its the holy trinity of Noel classics that makes it though...Importance of Being Idle, Mucky Fingers and POTQ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2008 19:38:55 GMT -5
DBTT is the third best Oasis album, and a fantastic album at that. Unlike any other Oasis album other than the first two, if DBTT was the debut album of any band that band would be massive. Theres a lot of great tunes on that album, a few stinkers but thats it. Its the holy trinity of Noel classics that makes it though...Importance of Being Idle, Mucky Fingers and POTQ In my world, Mucky Fingers ain't part of no "holy trinity". The other two are great though, shame they never played POTQ live. |
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Post by thedon on Sept 13, 2008 21:40:17 GMT -5
it doesnt get enough stick.... This. It really is dire. Also pretty much agree entirely with drummert5. |
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Post by lampard on Sept 19, 2008 16:49:14 GMT -5
the album in its entirety is a grower. mucky fingers was poor when i first heard it.. 9/10 now. i did miss the rock 'n' roll of other albums but it did introduce something new to the old formula.
as for dave sardy, he's not too good at individual production but he definitely gets the album to sound cohesive and massive.
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