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Post by Mad4it on Aug 14, 2008 15:57:42 GMT -5
I agree with you on Little james...the good thing about it is, the song sounds honest. the lyrics are a bit off but the melody is strong
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Post by dj12345 on Aug 14, 2008 15:59:11 GMT -5
It's cool to bag on "Little James" but I'll take that over Songbird any day... it's much more of a complete song and it has some incredible dynamics... Noel's solo section is amazing, and the melody and construction is top notch... that one line has everyone saying the whole song is crap but it's more naive sounding than amateur to me... and that works. I love Little James... it's honest and well written, and as naive as the "noise/toys" line is, he laid down some serious shit with "It won't be long, before everyone is gone"... Songbird is just the one little verse melody twice, over two chords and that's it... it's a cool little number but I barely consider it to be a whole song. GGTIA is a top song too, with great lyrics, dynamics and composition... LLAB to me sounds grating... I don't like it all... just that one hook is great... "you turn me on... love's like a bomb, blowing my mind"... I don't like the rest at all, and he sings it too raspy. People always say how great the piano solo is... and they say the same for the demo of Ain't Got Nothin'... but if the solo is the best part of the song, that's not good. I don't care about the politics... with the potential of a hugely produced Record Machine and Stop The Clocks and whatever other Noel songs we haven't heard, there's no excuse for including amateur Liam songs. Well said. I too write songs and agree that most of Liam's songs are mediocre at best. It really annoys me when people overrate the songs because Liam wrote them. Songbird is pretty good but it's nowhere near as grand as a lot of people here make it out to be. Just like you said, it's two chords and a melody. I know some people will argue that 'it's the simplicity that makes it great'. But we have yet to really get a complete song from Liam. Most of his songs sound incomplete. Little James is by far the most complete song he wrote and I'd be willing to bet that Noel had alot to do with that . . . Liam has problems to write complete songs for sure. I though have to point out that GGTIA is pretty complete. and a very good one as well. As it seems Liam can only write proper lightweighters like GGTIA and sonbgbird though. When he tries to write rockers it sounds like shit imo. Atleast compared to Noels songs.
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Post by nhr57 on Aug 14, 2008 15:59:16 GMT -5
Just to be clear, Noel didn't say the song (Ain't Got Nothin') had a brand new chorus. NME did. As proof they quoted the new part, the problem is just that the bit was in the demo! So I wouldn't count on it being radically different, infact it might not be different at all.
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Post by keystone1316 on Aug 14, 2008 15:59:26 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that it's NOT hard to write lyrics.....I mean, I'm good at writing papers for school, and it's not much different. I'm good at one liners, same concept. Just play around with words. What is hard, though, is melody and all that. I haven't tried it, I'm not a song writer lol.....I really don't think there's an excuse for poor lyrics - if you're a good writer that is. If you're not, then don't write songs (Liam has shown he's capable with Song Bird) and if you are good, then producing shite like "Noise/Toys" is just lazy. Must try harder.... yea you're absolutely correct If you're a good all around writer, lyrics are fairly easy to write. However, if you want real good lyrics, you might not be able to write the lyrics to a whole song right away. Hell, I have songs that I wrote 2 years ago where the lyrics arent finished yet, because Im always changing 'em and always have a few lines that I think are shit and that I want to get rid of. I think a lot of artists are real lazy w/ lyrics and just rhyme a bunch of random shit together and call the lyrics "finished". RHCP are a classic example of this... some of the lyrics are great (Under the Bridge for example) but most of their lyrics dont make any sense whatsoever. Noel is guilty of this a lot too. And yea, melodies are much harder, as melodies make or break the songs. And its easy to come up with lyrics no one else has written before, while its harder to come up w/ original melodies. Great lyrics arent necessary for a song (once again, some of Oasis and RHCP's best songs dont have fantastic lyrics), they're kind of a nice bonus nowadays. great lyrics+shit melody=shit song shit lyrics+great melody=decent song great lyrics+great melody=classic song
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Post by Mad4it on Aug 14, 2008 16:02:33 GMT -5
Well said. I too write songs and agree that most of Liam's songs are mediocre at best. It really annoys me when people overrate the songs because Liam wrote them. Songbird is pretty good but it's nowhere near as grand as a lot of people here make it out to be. Just like you said, it's two chords and a melody. I know some people will argue that 'it's the simplicity that makes it great'. But we have yet to really get a complete song from Liam. Most of his songs sound incomplete. Little James is by far the most complete song he wrote and I'd be willing to bet that Noel had alot to do with that . . . Liam has problems to write complete songs for sure. I though have to point out that GGTIA is pretty complete. and a very good one as well. As it seems Liam can only write proper lightweighters like GGTIA and sonbgbird though. When he tries to write rockers it sounds like shit imo. Atleast compared to Noels songs. Though Love like a bomb is hardly a rocker is it ?? But i will say that better man isn't that bad (IMO). if the production was vastly improved then he would have been on to sumthing pretty decent.
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Post by NY on Aug 14, 2008 16:03:27 GMT -5
well all metallica songs gave great music on them, but they're all fucking shit.
how do u explain that?
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Post by Bloomfield on Aug 14, 2008 16:06:47 GMT -5
Well if two out of the three Liam songs are good then I'll be thrilled... Noel drumming on Soldier On has me nervous... his drumming for Tailgunner was pretty bad... and the article said it was a "march" which could be cheesy... Soldier On being a "march"... how clever! We'll have to wait and see. GGTIA was a pleasant surprise on the last record so I hope the other two Liam tracks have progressed from there.
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Post by B.e.D.e. on Aug 14, 2008 16:07:41 GMT -5
Just downloaded the song as well. Nice job!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 14, 2008 16:09:56 GMT -5
It's cool to bag on "Little James" but I'll take that over Songbird any day... it's much more of a complete song and it has some incredible dynamics... Noel's solo section is amazing, and the melody and construction is top notch... that one line has everyone saying the whole song is crap but it's more naive sounding than amateur to me... and that works. I love Little James... it's honest and well written, and as naive as the "noise/toys" line is, he laid down some serious shit with "It won't be long, before everyone is gone"... Songbird is just the one little verse melody twice, over two chords and that's it... it's a cool little number but I barely consider it to be a whole song. GGTIA is a top song too, with great lyrics, dynamics and composition... LLAB to me sounds grating... I don't like it all... just that one hook is great... "you turn me on... love's like a bomb, blowing my mind"... I don't like the rest at all, and he sings it too raspy. People always say how great the piano solo is... and they say the same for the demo of Ain't Got Nothin'... but if the solo is the best part of the song, that's not good. I don't care about the politics... with the potential of a hugely produced Record Machine and Stop The Clocks and whatever other Noel songs we haven't heard, there's no excuse for including amateur Liam songs. Well said. I too write songs and agree that most of Liam's songs are mediocre at best. It really annoys me when people overrate the songs because Liam wrote them. Songbird is pretty good but it's nowhere near as grand as a lot of people here make it out to be. Just like you said, it's two chords and a melody. I know some people will argue that 'it's the simplicity that makes it great'. But we have yet to really get a complete song from Liam. Most of his songs sound incomplete. Little James is by far the most complete song he wrote and I'd be willing to bet that Noel had alot to do with that . . . Jesus, you don't stop do you? You don't get this. No one makes up their mind whether they like a tune or not based on the writer! Are you an idiot? You've made this foolish claim countless times before, and it's getting old and irritating because it's simply not true. No one is over rating Liam's tunes because Liam wrote them! WTF are you smoking? People base they opinion on the melody and lyrics. Song Bird is great regardless of who the author is, it just so happens to be Liam. Just face it already, people like some of Liam's songs because they think the songs are legitimately good. You're starting to sound like ugotthavefun. I don't know what's a worse theory - your's regarding people hyping up Liam's songs, or his theory about BHN being not being a summer album. Either way, you're both spouting utter shit.
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Post by custodian on Aug 14, 2008 16:20:05 GMT -5
I'm a bit concerned about Soldier On...it was supposed to be a monster epic and we see it is only 4 and half minutes long. Couple that with Noel saying it's only got one verse and chorus could we be looking at another Better Man?
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Post by henrod89 on Aug 14, 2008 16:27:33 GMT -5
Well said. I too write songs and agree that most of Liam's songs are mediocre at best. It really annoys me when people overrate the songs because Liam wrote them. Songbird is pretty good but it's nowhere near as grand as a lot of people here make it out to be. Just like you said, it's two chords and a melody. I know some people will argue that 'it's the simplicity that makes it great'. But we have yet to really get a complete song from Liam. Most of his songs sound incomplete. Little James is by far the most complete song he wrote and I'd be willing to bet that Noel had alot to do with that . . . Jesus, you don't stop do you? You don't get this. No one makes up their mind whether they like a tune or not based on the writer! Are you an idiot? You've made this foolish claim countless times before, and it's getting old and irritating because it's simply not true. No one is over rating Liam's tunes because Liam wrote them! WTF are you smoking? People base they opinion on the melody and lyrics. Song Bird is great regardless of who the author is, it just so happens to be Liam. Just face it already, people like some of Liam's songs because they think the songs are legitimately good. You're starting to sound like ugotthavefun. I don't know what's a worse theory - your's regarding people hyping up Liam's songs, or his theory about BHN being not being a summer album. Either way, you're both spouting utter shit. You're really naive if you don't think so. It's really natural for people to do that. People think Liam is cool and he's a new songwriter and some people just goes ape for anything he does. For the sheer fact that people really like MOS, proves my point. If Noel wrote that than people would ask for his head (as they should). But Liam wrote it and some people actually think it's a really good song. And I'm not really saying that people will like the song just because Liam wrote it. I'm just saying that when Liam writes a pretty good song, people tend to go bezerk because they don't really expect it and he's somewhat new to the game. That's just how it goes. Believe what you want . . .
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Post by Bloomfield on Aug 14, 2008 17:03:25 GMT -5
You're really naive if you don't think so. It's really natural for people to do that. People think Liam is cool and he's a new songwriter and some people just goes ape for anything he does. For the sheer fact that people really like MOS, proves my point. If Noel wrote that than people would ask for his head (as they should). But Liam wrote it and some people actually think it's a really good song. And I'm not really saying that people will like the song just because Liam wrote it. I'm just saying that when Liam writes a pretty good song, people tend to go bezerk because they don't really expect it and he's somewhat new to the game. That's just how it goes. Believe what you want . . . I agree for the most part. It's natural for people to like or dislike songs based on context or circumstances. The bar is different for Liam and Noel obviously... but that is why the last few records have been uneven in terms of flow and quality... they don't feel cohesive. There are Oasis fans who will stand by anything Liam does no matter what... Notorious, you may be objective but there are many fans who aren't... and to get upset saying that EVERYONE judges Liam's songs based completely on songwriting quality is wrong... because there are a lot of Oasis fans who have convinced themselves things based on Noel's opinion or the media's opinion. I happen to disagree with Noel's dismissal of Little James and adoration of Songbird... I'm being objective when I say that Noel is a consistently world-class songwriter and Liam is more often than not, writing amateur sounding songs.
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Post by jasonbourne on Aug 14, 2008 17:54:59 GMT -5
I'm being objective when I say that Noel is a consistently world-class songwriter and Liam is more often than not, writing amateur sounding songs. Spot on.
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Post by henrod89 on Aug 14, 2008 18:01:03 GMT -5
You're really naive if you don't think so. It's really natural for people to do that. People think Liam is cool and he's a new songwriter and some people just goes ape for anything he does. For the sheer fact that people really like MOS, proves my point. If Noel wrote that than people would ask for his head (as they should). But Liam wrote it and some people actually think it's a really good song. And I'm not really saying that people will like the song just because Liam wrote it. I'm just saying that when Liam writes a pretty good song, people tend to go bezerk because they don't really expect it and he's somewhat new to the game. That's just how it goes. Believe what you want . . . I agree for the most part. It's natural for people to like or dislike songs based on context or circumstances. The bar is different for Liam and Noel obviously... but that is why the last few records have been uneven in terms of flow and quality... they don't feel cohesive. There are Oasis fans who will stand by anything Liam does no matter what... Notorious, you may be objective but there are many fans who aren't... and to get upset saying that EVERYONE judges Liam's songs based completely on songwriting quality is wrong... because there are a lot of Oasis fans who have convinced themselves things based on Noel's opinion or the media's opinion. I happen to disagree with Noel's dismissal of Little James and adoration of Songbird... I'm being objective when I say that Noel is a consistently world-class songwriter and Liam is more often than not, writing amateur sounding songs. Yea. Exactly. And I'm not saying EVERYONE does it. Notorious seems to not think that way. But there are alot of people who do think that way and it bothers me. That's all I'm saying. There are people who do the same thing with Noel as well. It's just that the Liam fans seem to be more vocal about what he does. He just has a louder following.
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Post by lino on Aug 14, 2008 20:19:49 GMT -5
It's not even about adjusting expectations based on skill or past performance.
Meaning of Soul is good because it's a Liam song. If Noel had written it, it would be trite and forced, but Liam can get away with it because it's genuine coming from him.
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