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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 22, 2008 18:19:23 GMT -5
Doping doesn't help with sprints.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 22, 2008 18:20:15 GMT -5
US guy wins the decathlon!
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Post by MG on Aug 22, 2008 20:10:19 GMT -5
yea saw some of that, he had the biggest points gap aswell ever
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Post by webm@ster on Aug 23, 2008 0:26:41 GMT -5
You need to watch more tv! he's the guy that won the gold and easily set new world records in 100m and 200m took the world athletes 12 years to break Michael Johnsons WR, pretty amazing!
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 23, 2008 6:38:44 GMT -5
Doping doesn't help with sprints. really? ben johnson (gold 1988) tim montgomery maurice green (gold 2000) linford christie (gold 1992) justin gatlin (gold 2004) all gold medal winners. and all of them are proven dopers. i don't want to go too deep into that topic but doping defenitely helps with sprints. 1. steroids => muscles, more power; balco used steroids that couldn't never be detected 2. insulin => helps to regenerate the muscles after hard phyical work; so it supports training for sprints; it's on the list and can't be detected 3. epo => more O2 for the muscles helps in almost every sports (except for maybe darts... ); there are hundreds of EPO mutations that can't be detected. all this stuff pushes sprinters as well as cyclists. if you are interested in it, you can read about the balco scandal, marion jones. it's also very interesting, what victor conte said about bolts world record. look, i don't think, that a lame looser like me could become a super sprinter by using drugs. and i believe bolt when he said, he had worked very hard for this. absolutely. in fact, the athletes are taking the drugs in the time of training. they need it to train harder. to regenerate faster. in a world with no doping, bolt would probably have won anyway - but 9.69 with 80%, no fucking way. just as i said, doping doesn't make an average runner a gold medal winner, but doping helps to push the frontier a little bit higher and all of them are using it.
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Post by masterplan200 on Aug 23, 2008 8:26:11 GMT -5
Cuba's former Olympic taekwondo champion Angel Valodia Matos was expelled from major international competitions for kicking the referee in the head when he was disqualified in a match here Saturday. The 31-year-old chased Swedish referee Chakir Chelbat as soon as he was sent off for taking too much injury time in the middle of a +80kg bronze medal bout. The World Taekwondo Federation said Matos and his coach would be permanently barred from all championships it promotes. Matos, who won the -80kg gold medal at the 2000 Sydney Games, was fighting world silver medallist Arman Chilmanov of Kazakhstan at the time. He shoved the referee and kicked him in the head before a booing crowd.
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Post by eva on Aug 23, 2008 15:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by supersonic1983 on Aug 23, 2008 15:59:36 GMT -5
Best thing that's happened at these Olympics, that.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 23, 2008 17:15:13 GMT -5
Doping doesn't help with sprints. really? ben johnson (gold 1988) tim montgomery maurice green (gold 2000) linford christie (gold 1992) justin gatlin (gold 2004) all gold medal winners. and all of them are proven dopers. i don't want to go too deep into that topic but doping defenitely helps with sprints. 1. steroids => muscles, more power; balco used steroids that couldn't never be detected 2. insulin => helps to regenerate the muscles after hard phyical work; so it supports training for sprints; it's on the list and can't be detected 3. epo => more O2 for the muscles helps in almost every sports (except for maybe darts... ); there are hundreds of EPO mutations that can't be detected. all this stuff pushes sprinters as well as cyclists. if you are interested in it, you can read about the balco scandal, marion jones. it's also very interesting, what victor conte said about bolts world record. look, i don't think, that a lame looser like me could become a super sprinter by using drugs. and i believe bolt when he said, he had worked very hard for this. absolutely. in fact, the athletes are taking the drugs in the time of training. they need it to train harder. to regenerate faster. in a world with no doping, bolt would probably have won anyway - but 9.69 with 80%, no fucking way. just as i said, doping doesn't make an average runner a gold medal winner, but doping helps to push the frontier a little bit higher and all of them are using it. There is a huge difference between doping and steroids and the like. Blood doping is for endurance.
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 23, 2008 18:05:08 GMT -5
really? ben johnson (gold 1988) tim montgomery maurice green (gold 2000) linford christie (gold 1992) justin gatlin (gold 2004) all gold medal winners. and all of them are proven dopers. i don't want to go too deep into that topic but doping defenitely helps with sprints. 1. steroids => muscles, more power; balco used steroids that couldn't never be detected 2. insulin => helps to regenerate the muscles after hard phyical work; so it supports training for sprints; it's on the list and can't be detected 3. epo => more O2 for the muscles helps in almost every sports (except for maybe darts... ); there are hundreds of EPO mutations that can't be detected. all this stuff pushes sprinters as well as cyclists. if you are interested in it, you can read about the balco scandal, marion jones. it's also very interesting, what victor conte said about bolts world record. look, i don't think, that a lame looser like me could become a super sprinter by using drugs. and i believe bolt when he said, he had worked very hard for this. absolutely. in fact, the athletes are taking the drugs in the time of training. they need it to train harder. to regenerate faster. in a world with no doping, bolt would probably have won anyway - but 9.69 with 80%, no fucking way. just as i said, doping doesn't make an average runner a gold medal winner, but doping helps to push the frontier a little bit higher and all of them are using it. There is a huge difference between doping and steroids and the like. Blood doping is for endurance. i cannot really see the difference between taking drugs to run faster and taking drugs to run longer?!?!?!
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 23, 2008 18:12:21 GMT -5
Blood doping adds oxygen to the blood, steroids boost testosterone.
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 23, 2008 18:33:25 GMT -5
Blood doping adds oxygen to the blood, steroids boost testosterone. that's what i said. more oxygen for the muscles equals a higher performance. testosterone builds up muscles. both effects are quite useful for sprints.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 23, 2008 18:36:42 GMT -5
Maybe so. It's just that blood doping is always associated with the distance stuff.
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 23, 2008 18:53:08 GMT -5
well, doping is not just blood doping (i mean, the germans doped the horses!!!). and fact is: in the past 20 years almost all of the 100m gold medal winners were tested positive.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 23, 2008 18:55:15 GMT -5
Here, doping almost always refers to Blood Doping. Juicing refers to steroids and the other stuff.
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 23, 2008 19:15:18 GMT -5
Here, doping almost always refers to Blood Doping. Juicing refers to steroids and the other stuff. ok, over here doping means any prohibited (on the list) medical enhancement of athletic performance. anyways, i think, bolts record is not possible without steroids, epo, insulin (lol, at least these are the few substances i know about...) and all the stuff unknown.
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Post by mape on Aug 23, 2008 23:33:44 GMT -5
Here, doping almost always refers to Blood Doping. Juicing refers to steroids and the other stuff. ok, over here doping means any prohibited (on the list) medical enhancement of athletic performance. anyways, i think, bolts record is not possible without steroids, epo, insulin (lol, at least these are the few substances i know about...) and all the stuff unknown. Do you not think that others have thought the same thing, that how could this guy destroy those records in such a fashion? You can bet that Bolt has been tested more than anyone else at the games, and if he's cheating then he will be found out. Until then i'm going to enjoy the history. You need to watch more tv! he's the guy that won the gold and easily set new world records in 100m and 200m took the world athletes 12 years to break Michael Johnsons WR, pretty amazing! I think you'll find this amazing too - what you really didn't get to see:
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Post by MG on Aug 24, 2008 3:14:33 GMT -5
;d
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Post by halftheworld on Aug 24, 2008 10:01:01 GMT -5
You can bet that Bolt has been tested more than anyone else at the games, and if he's cheating then he will be found out. Until then i'm going to enjoy the history. unfortunately that is not true. there are hundreds of substances that are on the list but they don't have a test for. so YOU CAN cheat without getting caught. fact! besides that, the truth is: bolt has not been tested that often in jamaica when he was preparing for olympia. and that is the time, when doping really works. but enjoy the history. i'm just disillusioned, cause i'm quite interested in that topic. and the tests are just a bad joke. again, i can just recommend you to read about the balco case and victor conte.
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Post by eva on Aug 24, 2008 11:01:32 GMT -5
same thing happens with Phelps, but no, he's an american hero...
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Aug 24, 2008 13:59:10 GMT -5
they say the foreigner is the doped one. they still believe Lance Amstrong wasn't doped this is a good example of why people around the world know that US people spend their time looking their belly button and criticising those who are better but not from USA
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 24, 2008 14:33:05 GMT -5
Congrats to the Spain basketball team for making it a little bit interesting!
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Post by mape on Aug 24, 2008 14:37:59 GMT -5
to be fair no one in the US media has really questioned if Bolt is doping.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Aug 25, 2008 10:00:22 GMT -5
Congrats to the Spain basketball team for making it a little bit interesting! congrats to the referees that don't whistle to the USA team, and to the members of CIO that allow them not to pass a single doping test
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 10:57:49 GMT -5
they say the foreigner is the doped one. they still believe Lance Amstrong wasn't doped this is a good example of why people around the world know that US people spend their time looking their belly button and criticising those who are better but not from USA go on show this evidence that you have proving that lance armstrong was a drug cheat
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