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Post by start at the end on Jul 29, 2008 21:41:20 GMT -5
Ok, the almost orginal line-up anyways: MINUS McCarroll who I think is almost universally dismissed and replaced with White, who most seem to have been at least "satisfied" with.
I guess there's two schools of thought:
1. There's the crowd that insists that Noel authors 10+ tunes per album and had that continued, they would likely maintain that the records since would have been more focused, consistent and cohesive (SOTSOG isn't a great example, JUST for the turmoil of the break-up process). Further, who knows if bonehead or guigs would have either blossomed (unlikely, I know) or at least eventually contibuted a gem or two along the way? It's happened in other bands, that's for sure. Either way, I just think the band would be respected a bit more in a bizarre way- to have a band stick together for the better part of two decades just seems to pay dividends.
2. Andy and Gem are better musicians and "better" songwriters (not much to go on, but a mountain more of contributions nonetheless). Problem with this thinking is: who's to say Noel would have "let them" contribute a decade ago...regardless if their names were bonehead, guigs, andy, or gem? I know Noel has said he always wanted to be part of an all-inclusive "band" but sometimes I wonder if that was really the case a decade ago?
All this on top of the issue that many right here on these boards butt heads over all the time: some pretty much either loath or at least take exceptions to their (Andy and Gem's) 5 contributions to the last 2 albums. Surely, many feel that they would have rather seen 5 more of Noel's tunes on DBTT and HC.
Some like the variance, so go figure.
BTW- the drummer scdenario is kind of a wildcard for me...I'd take Zak or White, Either way they're both accomplished sticksmen with their own style and technique. I don't lose a lot of sleep over it (although I did think Alan got the jacked up end of the deal from EVERYTHING that I've heard).
As for me, I just don't know. I like Andy And Gem and I honestly can't see Oasis in any future form without them. They just seem to fit. That said, in all honesty, I sometimes lean to the former camp: the only 2 Andy/Gem tunes I really give a shit about are TUTS and HUNGIABP. You can have the rest. We probably all have 3-4 Noel b-sides that could have slid right in on either of those lp's and been just fine- even won't let you down was decent.
Ok that's the end of my rant- I know there's reasons for everything, I just thought we'd discuss something different for a minute.
What say yous?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 23:10:08 GMT -5
The problems with the past albums are down to the Gallagher brother's tunes, not Gem and Andy's contributions. It's a matter of picking the wrong songs for the album (She Is Love over Idler's Dream is a fucking crime; same goes for Meaning of Soul over Pass Me Down the Wine).
Would I rather have Idler's Dream or PMDTW over Gem or Andy's contributions? No, because to me, the worst songs on the past two albums have been by the Gallaghers. The worst songs should be replaced.
Live, there's no contest, Gem and Andy are much better musicians then Bonehead and Guigsy. Could Guigsy and Bonehead still play the new stuff? Probably. Would it sound as good? Probably not.
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Post by thelostchord on Jul 29, 2008 23:20:35 GMT -5
Gems tunes are A Bell Will Ring, Hung in a Bad Place and The Quiet Ones. A Bell Will Ring is fucking amazing, while Hung in a Bad place and The Quiet Ones are just utter shit.
Andy's tunes: A Quick Peep, Thank You for the Good Times, Turn Up the Sun, Keep the Dream Alive. Turn Up the Sun is great, the others are average tunes at best.
I disagree with the poster above. The weakest song off HC imo was Hung in a Bad Place and DBTT was KTDA. I really don't think it matters too much that they do writing though. The best Noel b-side of DBTT was what, again? Then again, they might've put STC or RM on it. Who knows?
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Post by Robohump on Jul 30, 2008 0:06:21 GMT -5
Put me in the 'Noel would have been more focused and the albums would have been more cohesive" camp.
Maybe it means we have longer wait times between albums (4-5 years), but they are miles better than the garbage the band puts out now. I would rather have a stone cold classic right up there with DM and MG every 4 years than crap like HC and DBTT every 2-3 years.
What's missing most is the attitude that came along with the original band dynamic. It was Noel, his snotty brother, and his three misfit friends. It added to the charm of Oasis that both Bone and Guigs looked like common people. Especially in contrast with Liam, who looked like a star from day 1. Once they messed with the band dynamic, things went to hell. People really underestimate how important that is.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 30, 2008 1:14:51 GMT -5
Put me in the 'Noel would have been more focused and the albums would have been more cohesive" camp. Maybe it means we have longer wait times between albums (4-5 years), but they are miles better than the garbage the band puts out now. I would rather have a stone cold classic right up there with DM and MG every 4 years than crap like HC and DBTT every 2-3 years. What's missing most is the attitude that came along with the original band dynamic. It was Noel, his snotty brother, and his three misfit friends. It added to the charm of Oasis that both Bone and Guigs looked like common people. Especially in contrast with Liam, who looked like a star from day 1. Once they messed with the band dynamic, things went to hell. People really underestimate how important that is. I see your point but I disagree with the premise and what your attempting to conclude from it. They looked like common people because they WERE common people. If Guigsy and Bonehead were still in the band today, they wouldn't look like common people, they would have had an added 9 years or so of fame. Noel didn't change the dynamics, the fame that accompanied their success did. And very little changed anyway, they're still the most outspoken and honest band, they still write tunes that the common people can relate to, and they still have the "I don't give a fuck" attitude. So I really don't know what you're on about. |
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Post by mercury3164 on Jul 30, 2008 2:02:35 GMT -5
or at least eventually contibuted a gem or two along the way? lovin' it. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 30, 2008 3:36:56 GMT -5
There are some aspects from the Bone/Guigs days i prefer and some from the present days. Obvoiusly nowadays they are way better musically/live!
How cool would it be to hear Liam's voice from say....96/97 with old music edited out and andy gem noel and alan white (not Zak) stuff added in. Is that possible? If it is could someone try that sometime and upload it.
Anyway in my opinion I think if Bonehead and Guigs had never left Oasis would be respected more as a band. I agree that if the last 2 albums had more Noel/Liam songs on them I would of liked them more. PMDTW instead of ABWR and LDSMD instead of TUTS. I actually like KTDA.
Every song Noel and Liam wrote for the DBTT and the B-sides were really good.
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Post by start at the end on Jul 30, 2008 7:23:04 GMT -5
or at least eventually contibuted a gem or two along the way? lovin' it. I'm sure the above is sarcasm, but is it that unrealistic? You'd like to think 15+ years in the one of the worlds top 5 bands could eventually yield a decent song? Somebody named Harrison from some group called the Beatles took a while to get going too, and all we got out of that where 10-12 remarkable songs. Not saying these two were George by George, but I don't think the idea is entirely without merit. You have to keep in mind that Noel would likely have been invloved to help things along. feasible. |
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Post by oasis21128 on Jul 30, 2008 7:45:18 GMT -5
personally, i don't think the 'original' line-up would have lasted as long as they have. I am glad that gem and andy are in the band...as it kept Noel going.
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Post by dearprudence on Jul 30, 2008 7:53:52 GMT -5
i think the band would have ended after HC  |
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Post by caats19 on Jul 30, 2008 9:39:45 GMT -5
i think they would be pretty aimless. didn't Liam say Gem and Andy added some life to the band during DBTT
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Post by Moorish on Jul 30, 2008 16:06:38 GMT -5
They'd be exactly where they are, mate: split up.
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Post by jlzoasis on Jul 30, 2008 17:54:02 GMT -5
I think Noel would have burned out years ago....does everyone realize that Andy and Gem have been in the band nearly as long as Bone and Guigs were? That blows my mind:) Time to let the "original line up " go  |
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Post by l41n on Jul 30, 2008 18:05:50 GMT -5
I like the line up much, much more now. Look like proper musicians. A proper band...
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Post by Moorish on Jul 30, 2008 18:40:17 GMT -5
What's missing most is the attitude that came along with the original band dynamic. It was Noel, his snotty brother, and his three misfit friends. It added to the charm of Oasis that both Bone and Guigs looked like common people. Especially in contrast with Liam, who looked like a star from day 1. Once they messed with the band dynamic, things went to hell. People really underestimate how important that is. I also think it's a serious reach to assume that still having Bonehead and Guigs around would mean that Noel would've been banging out Dm's and MG's non-stop. He didn't manage it with BHN or with SOTSOG - all of which was written and demoed well in advance of the bust up in France. Do you seriously think having Bonehead and Guigs about - nice guys as they may be - would've been musically and creatively helpful/inspiring to Noel? Moreso than Andy and Gem, two great musicians who contribute ideas and skill? Dream on. |
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Post by start at the end on Jul 30, 2008 18:45:08 GMT -5
I think Noel would have burned out years ago....does everyone realize that Andy and Gem have been in the band nearly as long as Bone and Guigs were? That blows my mind:) Time to let the "original line up " go Yes, I think die-hard Oasis fans do realize that actually. Obviously the proposition is an idle one...just a talking point. |
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Post by anthmcc on Jul 30, 2008 20:38:18 GMT -5
Where would that Oasis be now? Maybe doing what the Verve are doing now. It's hard to imagine either Liam or Noel not being continually involved in music. To say they would have been reinvolved with a new group making similar music would be a moot point on my part, because that is effectively what Oasis of 2008 is (without turning this into an 8-page post).
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Post by idledreamer on Jul 31, 2008 0:26:37 GMT -5
Ok, the almost orginal line-up anyways: MINUS McCarroll who I think is almost universally dismissed and replaced with White, who most seem to have been at least "satisfied" with. I guess there's two schools of thought: 1. There's the crowd that insists that Noel authors 10+ tunes per album and had that continued, they would likely maintain that the records since would have been more focused, consistent and cohesive (SOTSOG isn't a great example, JUST for the turmoil of the break-up process). Further, who knows if bonehead or guigs would have either blossomed (unlikely, I know) or at least eventually contibuted a gem or two along the way? It's happened in other bands, that's for sure. Either way, I just think the band would be respected a bit more in a bizarre way- to have a band stick together for the better part of two decades just seems to pay dividends. 2. Andy and Gem are better musicians and "better" songwriters (not much to go on, but a mountain more of contributions nonetheless). Problem with this thinking is: who's to say Noel would have "let them" contribute a decade ago...regardless if their names were bonehead, guigs, andy, or gem? I know Noel has said he always wanted to be part of an all-inclusive "band" but sometimes I wonder if that was really the case a decade ago? All this on top of the issue that many right here on these boards butt heads over all the time: some pretty much either loath or at least take exceptions to their (Andy and Gem's) 5 contributions to the last 2 albums. Surely, many feel that they would have rather seen 5 more of Noel's tunes on DBTT and HC. Some like the variance, so go figure. BTW- the drummer scdenario is kind of a wildcard for me...I'd take Zak or White, Either way they're both accomplished sticksmen with their own style and technique. I don't lose a lot of sleep over it (although I did think Alan got the jacked up end of the deal from EVERYTHING that I've heard). As for me, I just don't know. I like Andy And Gem and I honestly can't see Oasis in any future form without them. They just seem to fit. That said, in all honesty, I sometimes lean to the former camp: the only 2 Andy/Gem tunes I really give a shit about are TUTS and HUNGIABP. You can have the rest. We probably all have 3-4 Noel b-sides that could have slid right in on either of those lp's and been just fine- even won't let you down was decent. Ok that's the end of my rant- I know there's reasons for everything, I just thought we'd discuss something different for a minute. What say yous? a good question to ponder there,,, but how about the reverse? what if gem and andy had been in the original lineup for all those years instead of bonehead and guigsy? would any of their tunes have made albums back then... i say probably not, since noel was way less democratic back then... also, would gem and andy's playing style make the early classic albums (dm, mg & bhn) sound any different? |
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Post by weepinwillow on Jul 31, 2008 6:37:29 GMT -5
After Bonehead and Guigsy left, Noel said that through all those years he had not had a proper chat with Bonehead. That tells you pretty much about so called dynamics in the band. You had the chief in a shining palace on Supernova Heights, his brother slightly lower, and 3 guys with 2 of them could barely play professionally. Come on they were (are) poor musicians especially Bonehead who you could not practiclly hear on gigs and records cos his parts were buried in the mix, or his amp turned down. Besides they didn't look good, and Im sorry but the band shouldn't look like common people in my opinion. Gem and Andy turned this band around and made it look more credible. Do you think that the old line up would go in 2000 when Noel left the band?Bonehead playing solos? don't think so mate.
You can like Gem's or Andy's song but you don't have to, it's up to you. Personally I consider A Quick Peep, TUTS, KTDA are fookin ace, especially the last one, it's beatifully psychedelic, proper Oasis song.
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