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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 28, 2008 15:54:50 GMT -5
Who thinks that Liam, Gem and Andy are getting their songs on the albums because it's a requirement of the bands democarcy and not because the songs are quality?
With Oasis being more friendly internally this has led to decisions being made that I'm sure wouldn't have been passed in the glory years.
Tension seemed to be a spur for great songwriting from noel. The original tension filled unit of oasis led to no crap being produced, mainly due to the fact that everyone was in awe of noel's songwriting.
Take away the tension of and we got SOTSOG. Can you see any rows occuring now between liam and gem, gem and noel etc.
For oasis to return to the zenith of really top album making, Noel has to write maybe 10 out of 11 songs, with one from liam. These days any song eg. Aint got Nothin, can make an oasis album and that's quite sad.
Friendship in the band has made them lax and made them equals which ofcourse is totally untrue. Noel Gallagher is one's equal.
Gem and Andy will always contribute now at least 20% of an oasis album even if they have shit songs. It's like instead of picking the 11 best songs, the quota of 5 from noel, 3 from liam, 3 from gem and andy is more the format (for arguements sake) which means if we get one poor noel one then we're in trouble.
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Post by thedon on Jul 28, 2008 16:04:50 GMT -5
I pretty much agree.
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Post by LlAM on Jul 28, 2008 16:07:15 GMT -5
And this is in the fact and fiction section because...?
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Post by ShakeAlongWithMe on Jul 28, 2008 16:09:52 GMT -5
Yep, i would say so.
Its always annoyed me, the best 10-12 songs should be on the album no matter who sings them.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 28, 2008 16:15:00 GMT -5
I see your point, and agree to a certain extent - i think BOADC, SB, and KTDA would have made it regardless....SB is genius, BOADC is great, and KTDA is such a standard Oasis s ound - very much like Stand By ME.
So some of the tunes by those guys deserve to be on there...shit like ABWR does not though. Awful tune.
As for your other comment - Gem gets along with everyone! Gem has to be the nicest person ever, I'd love to be his friend. And Andy, while I dont care for him, doesn't seem too confrontational either.....
So I think youre partially right, but the reasons are that the members bond better NATURALLY, and that some of the songs do deserve to be album worthy....
Plus, we all know Noel has dried up a bit since the mid 90s, he needs the extra help. although he remains the best song writer for the band, obviously.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 28, 2008 16:16:20 GMT -5
And this is in the fact and fiction section because...? I think the board's description pretty much explains what you will find in a facts and fiction post: rumors - fan news - questions - opinionsif anyone would like to see another keyword in there I will gladly consider, but since this is not a board for Bio Engineering I think we're fine So said Webmaster |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 28, 2008 16:18:04 GMT -5
I kinda agree. I also think it tends to bring the best out of Noel probably.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 16:21:05 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun>Mucky Fingers
Hung In A Bad Place> Force of Nature
A Bell Will Ring>The Meaning of Soul
Noel himself admits that without Gem, Andy, and Liam writing tunes Oasis would be a slow moving machine. I, personally, am happy to see the whole band contributing to the album. On the two albums Andy and Gem have written for, it was the Gallaghers that had the weakest track.
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 28, 2008 16:29:44 GMT -5
I see your point, and agree to a certain extent - i think BOADC, SB, and KTDA would have made it regardless....SB is genius, BOADC is great, and KTDA is such a standard Oasis s ound - very much like Stand By ME. So some of the tunes by those guys deserve to be on there...shit like ABWR does not though. Awful tune. As for your other comment - Gem gets along with everyone! Gem has to be the nicest person ever, I'd love to be his friend. And Andy, while I dont care for him, doesn't seem too confrontational either..... So I think youre partially right, but the reasons are that the members bond better NATURALLY, and that some of the songs do deserve to be album worthy.... Plus, we all know Noel has dried up a bit since the mid 90s, he needs the extra help. although he remains the best song writer for the band, obviously. Songbird is a good song but genius.  KTDA is a poor man's (albeit one who has a pension plan) attempt at writing a noel gallagher hit. I know Gem's harmless but i'd imagine the occassional 'noel, write something decent, this is shit' could reap rewards, you proved my point though , there's no tension left. Noel has dried up? I'd agree to an extent but a three year gap is time enough to write 11 album songs for anyone I'd venture. But if does write 10 really belting album songs, then these should go on straight-away without trying to integrate the others song into the album |
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 28, 2008 16:33:24 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun>Mucky Fingers Hung In A Bad Place> Force of Nature
A Bell Will Ring>The Meaning of SoulNoel himself admits that without Gem, Andy, and Liam writing tunes Oasis would be a slow moving machine. I, personally, am happy to see the whole band contributing to the album. On the two albums Andy and Gem have written for, it was the Gallaghers that had the weakest track. I'll give you turn up the sun, but the other two ...no chance |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 16:36:22 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun>Mucky Fingers Hung In A Bad Place> Force of Nature
A Bell Will Ring>The Meaning of SoulNoel himself admits that without Gem, Andy, and Liam writing tunes Oasis would be a slow moving machine. I, personally, am happy to see the whole band contributing to the album. On the two albums Andy and Gem have written for, it was the Gallaghers that had the weakest track. I'll give you turn up the sun, but the other two ...no chance Force of Nature is faux-western shit and The Meaning of Soul literally goes no where fast. I'm not having any tune written by any member of Oasis going "you're smoking all my stash, you're burning all my cash". Garbage. |
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Post by ugottahavefun on Jul 28, 2008 16:38:33 GMT -5
I'll give you turn up the sun, but the other two ...no chance Force of Nature is faux-western shit and The Meaning of Soul literally goes no where fast. I'm not having any tune written by any member of Oasis going "you're smoking all my stash, you're burning all my cash". Garbage. Jonny...reply to this |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jul 28, 2008 16:41:00 GMT -5
At first I though that Noel was more focused in writing few good songs, which would explain crap like Sittin Here In Silence, but then I heard RM and STC... which means the chief still got it... But I do like Liam's songs, so I think, there should be two Liam's and one of Andy's (Turn up The Sun is fuckin' awesome)... Gem's contribution are rather weak comparing to the others... so, I guess i agree with this topic...
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Post by start at the end on Jul 28, 2008 17:04:45 GMT -5
We've been through this before...your argument would hold a lot more water if they actually made anything resembling SIGNIFICANT contributions. 4 1/2 songs over 2 alums from Andy and Gem is hardly noteworthy...and Noels b-sides have exactly been "acquiescent" if you know what I mean. Even considering Liam's contributions, Noel still authors more than the other 3 COMBINED.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 28, 2008 17:10:36 GMT -5
Noel can no longer write a whole album on his own, Oasis would be stagnent without the contributions of the others. People are alway's harping on about the glory days, the 90's, those days are over and it now allows Noel to put his very best songs on a album.
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Post by henrod89 on Jul 28, 2008 17:17:00 GMT -5
I would like Noel to write more songs. But if we are going to only allow one song to come from one other member, please don't let it be Liam. He wrote The Meaning of Soul and Ain't Got Nothin for God's sake.
Andy and Gem are much better writers. I know some of their b-sides are garbage (like The Quiet Ones). But almost all of their album songs are better.
And oh, HIABP is definitely better than FON. And ABWR (and every other song on DBTT while we're at it) is definitely better than MOS by lightyears. You're totally wrong about that. TheImportance is right.
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Post by Moorish on Jul 28, 2008 19:50:55 GMT -5
Who thinks that Liam, Gem and Andy are getting their songs on the albums because it's a requirement of the bands democarcy and not because the songs are quality? With Oasis being more friendly internally this has led to decisions being made that I'm sure wouldn't have been passed in the glory years. Tension seemed to be a spur for great songwriting from noel. The original tension filled unit of oasis led to no crap being produced, mainly due to the fact that everyone was in awe of noel's songwriting. Take away the tension of and we got SOTSOG. Can you see any rows occuring now between liam and gem, gem and noel etc. For oasis to return to the zenith of really top album making, Noel has to write maybe 10 out of 11 songs, with one from liam. These days any song eg. Aint got Nothin, can make an oasis album and that's quite sad. Friendship in the band has made them lax and made them equals which ofcourse is totally untrue. Noel Gallagher is one's equal. Gem and Andy will always contribute now at least 20% of an oasis album even if they have shit songs. It's like instead of picking the 11 best songs, the quota of 5 from noel, 3 from liam, 3 from gem and andy is more the format (for arguements sake) which means if we get one poor noel one then we're in trouble. I don't think Noel writes enough songs anymore to do a full album and B-sides; in the early DM/MG days he was going through all the tunes he had stockpiled for 10 years before the band kicked off. Which is not to say he wasn't a prolific writer - he definitely was. But his work-rate then was way beyond what he produces now. All this "we had 60 songs for the album" stuff I find depressing; cos then by the next album you hear "all those songs sounded like B-sides now". Translation: they were shit. I still can't believe Ain't Got Nothin' will be on this record. Mediocre is an inadequate word for its mediocrity. And I have to take issue with the "no crap" being produced before SOTSOG. Come on, mate. If we take off the rose-tinted specs there was some duff shit in the BHN era. The B-sides from Stand By Me onwards went right downhill. |
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