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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 26, 2008 19:08:11 GMT -5
She Is Love is unlistenable mush, and A Quick Peep is unnecessary filler. Everything else is at least acceptable, or in some cases - The Hindu Times, Songbird, Stop Crying Your Heart Out - brilliant.
Force Of Nature, Hung In A Bad Place, Born On A Different Cloud, Better Man - all of these songs receive much more criticism than they deserve.
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Post by Robohump on Jul 26, 2008 19:21:57 GMT -5
A score of 64 is total and utter shit. You're welcome again. Is it fun twisting facts to justify your opinion? I can't be bothered with this, what you believe is what you believe. Ignorance is bliss, after all, and you're a prime example of this. "Twisting facts"? FACT: DBTT got a combined 64 on metacritic. FACT: That is shit. You are welcome yet again.
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Post by Robohump on Jul 26, 2008 19:25:32 GMT -5
A score of 64 is total and utter shit. You're welcome again. 4.) Metacritic gave HC a 55%, while DBTT scored 9 points better with 64%....So going by your beloved Metacritic, your theory that every Oasis album since BHN has gotten progressively worse is WRONG. OWNEDGet the story straight, kiddo. I said *every* Oasis album has been worse than it's predecessor. Not "every album since Be Here Now". DBTT was wprse than HC, which was far worse than SOTSOG, which was far worse than BHN, which was far worse than WTSMG, which was slightly worse than DM.
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Post by Robohump on Jul 26, 2008 19:26:40 GMT -5
While DBTT favoured better in reviews than HC, it`s become traditional and almost trendy for critics to pan Oasis. It did receive some awful reviews, but more decent ones than it`s predecessors. Hence why it`s seen as a `return to form`. It's become trendy to bash them because their music sucks. Just as it was trendy to praise them when their music was good.
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Post by ugadawg5 on Jul 26, 2008 20:21:10 GMT -5
Generaly favorable reviews. Hmm, sounds god to me. Unless we're going off your completely arbitrary system of scoring which you alone seem to use. For the record, I don't believe anyone thanked you. A score of 64 is total and utter shit. You're welcome again. Don't Believe the Truth ****1/2 out of ***** Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine - AllMusicGuide.com Since Oasis has an instantly identifiable, seemingly simple signature sound — gigantic, lumbering, melodic, and inevitable, as if their songs have always existed and always will — it can be hard to pinpoint what separates a great Oasis song from a merely mediocre tune. It could be anything from overblown production to a diminished swagger, or it could be a self-satisfied laziness in the songwriting, or a panicky attempt to update their defiantly classicist pop with an electronic shine. All of these problems plagued the group's records since their blockbuster 1995 blockbuster second album, (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, and while none of the three albums that followed were outright bad, by 2002's Heathen Chemistry it seemed that even Noel and Liam Gallagher had lost sight of what made Oasis great. While that record had its moments, it often seemed generic, suggesting that the group had painted itself into a corner, not knowing where to go next. Surely, all the reports from the recording of their long-gestating sixth album suggested a faint air of desperation. First, the electronica duo Death in Vegas was brought in as producers, bringing to mind the band's awkward attempts at electronica fusion on Be Here Now and Standing on the Shoulder of Giants, but those recordings were scrapped, and then their second drummer, Alan White, left only to be replaced by Zak Starkey, the son of Ringo Starr, suggesting that the Gallaghers were coming perilously close to being swallowed by their perennial Beatles fixation. All of which makes the resulting album, Don't Believe the Truth, a real shock. It's confident, muscular, uncluttered, tight, and tuneful in a way Oasis haven't been since Morning Glory. It doesn't feel labored nor does it sound as if they're deliberately trying to recreate past glories. Instead, it sounds like they've remembered what they love about rock & roll and why they make music. They sound reinvigorated, which is perhaps appropriate, because Don't Believe the Truth finds Oasis to be quite a different band than it was a decade ago. Surely, Noel is still the first among equals, writing the majority of the songs here and providing the musical direction that the rest follow, but his brother Liam, bassist Andy Bell, and guitarist Gem Archer are now full and equal partners, and the band is the better for it. Where Noel struggled to fill the post-Morning Glory albums with passable album tracks (having squandered his backlog of great songs on B-sides), he's now happy to have Bell and Archer write Noel soundalikes that are sturdier than the filler he's created over the last five years. These likeable tunes are given soul and fire by Liam, who not only reclaims his crown as the best singer in rock on this album, but comes into his own as a songwriter. He had written good songs before, but here he holds his own with his brother, writing lively, hooky, memorable songs with "Love Like a Bomb," "The Meaning of Soul," and "Guess God Thinks I'm Abel," which are as good as anything Noel has written for the album. Which is not an aspersion on Noel, who has a set of five songs that cut for cut are his strongest and liveliest in years. Whether it's the insistent stomp of "Mucky Fingers" or the Kinks-styled romp of "The Importance of Being Idle," these songs are so good it makes sense that Noel has kept them for himself, singing four of the five tunes himself (including the soaring closing duet "Let There Be Love," the brothers' best joint vocal since "Acquiesce"). But the key to this new incarnation of Oasis is that this move by Noel doesn't seem like he's hoarding his best numbers, or a way to instigate sibling rivalry with Liam. Instead, it emphasizes that Oasis is now a genuine band, a group of personalities that form together to form one gang of charming rogues. Apart from the tremendous, rambling "Lyla" that channels the spirit of the Faces and the occasional ramshackle echo of Beggars Banquet, there's not much musically different here than other Oasis albums — it's still a blend of British Invasion, the Jam, and the Smiths, all turned to 11 — but their stubborn fondness of classic British guitar pop is one of the things that makes Oasis great and lovable. And, of course, it's also what makes it hard to discern exactly what separates good from great Oasis, but all the little details here, from the consistent songwriting to the loose, comfortable arrangements and the return of their trademark bravado makes Don't Believe the Truth the closest Oasis has been to great since the summer of Britpop, when they were the biggest and best band in the world. DBTT is a GREAT album
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 26, 2008 20:25:43 GMT -5
"Let There Be Love", the brothers' best joint vocal since "Acquiesce". 'Best'? Try 'only'.
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Post by manualex on Jul 26, 2008 20:53:23 GMT -5
and puy yer money?
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Post by caats19 on Jul 26, 2008 21:12:48 GMT -5
i think it's crap. no heart. no soul. empty music.
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Post by caats19 on Jul 26, 2008 21:14:08 GMT -5
i was referring to HC. no dbtt. which i totally agree with the allmusic review. i pretty much agree with their ratings for every oasis album
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 27, 2008 2:24:47 GMT -5
4.) Metacritic gave HC a 55%, while DBTT scored 9 points better with 64%....So going by your beloved Metacritic, your theory that every Oasis album since BHN has gotten progressively worse is WRONG. OWNED Get the story straight, kiddo. I said *every* Oasis album has been worse than it's predecessor. Not "every album since Be Here Now". DBTT was wprse than HC, which was far worse than SOTSOG, which was far worse than BHN, which was far worse than WTSMG, which was slightly worse than DM. That doesn't change the fact that Metacritic - which you love to go by - proved you wong. If they give DBTT a higher rating than HC - as almost all reviews do -- then how have the albums gotten progressively worse? How can they possibly have gotten progressively worse when DBTT was better than their 2002 effort? Dumb ass. DM>WTSMG>BHN=DBTT>HC>/=SOTSOG
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Post by checkwithmemum on Jul 27, 2008 3:04:09 GMT -5
That doesn't change the fact that Metacritic - which you love to go by - proved you wong. I'l prove you wong You're wong wong wong, so wong it's not fummyI always get a laugh out of you Lisp4ever continue arguing
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Post by juaaaaaaaaaaaaaan on Jul 27, 2008 3:43:34 GMT -5
HC tour = Ultimate Oasis line-up at the top of their form.
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Post by The Walrus on Jul 27, 2008 4:44:11 GMT -5
For me HC could be a good album. The first 6 songs are huge but despite of the title album the sound seems to be too much flat. A psichedelic title for a normal album
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Post by andygallagher on Jul 27, 2008 4:49:13 GMT -5
The best thing would have been though if they had waited another year with HC and combined it with the songs from DBTT. That would have been a monsteralbum!! Just imagine (My list) :
The Hindu Times Lyla The Importance Of Being Idle Stop Crying Your Heart Out Part Of The Queue Songbird Mucky Fingers (Liam On Vocals) Little By Little (Liam On Vocals) Born On A Different Cloud Let There Be Love
WHAT AN ALBUM!
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Post by kenneth on Jul 27, 2008 9:19:22 GMT -5
I think Heathen Chemistry is a good album! It's a good summer album I reckon! I remember listening to it a lot in the summer of '02 when it was released!
Apart from the key tracks (The Hindu Times, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Songbird and Little By Little), my favorite songs on that album is Force Of Nature, Better Man, and Born On A Different Cloud.
Like someone else said here, this album gets way to much heat!
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Post by Elias on Jul 27, 2008 9:33:53 GMT -5
How anyone can like Little By Little is beyond me. The absolute epitomy of Noel's un-inspired years. Soul-less, by numbers, straining so hard to be a DLBIA-esque anthem. I can picture Noel sitting down one day, thinking he needed to write one of his sing-alongs, so he forced that out - the musical equivalent of a visit to the shitter after a long bout of constipation. I don't know how anyone can even get past the toe-curling opening line.
The album as a whole is ruined by the production IMO, anything that has any potential on the album is lost in it - I enjoy the live versions of all the songs off that album much more.
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Post by kenneth on Jul 27, 2008 10:18:03 GMT -5
How anyone can like Little By Little is beyond me. The absolute epitomy of Noel's un-inspired years. Soul-less, by numbers, straining so hard to be a DLBIA-esque anthem. I can picture Noel sitting down one day, thinking he needed to write one of his sing-alongs, so he forced that out - the musical equivalent of a visit to the shitter after a long bout of constipation. I don't know how anyone can even get past the toe-curling opening line. The album as a whole is ruined by the production IMO, anything that has any potential on the album is lost in it - I enjoy the live versions of all the songs off that album much more. Disagree. I think the song is very good! It's like a Don't Look Back In Anger pt. 2, but in a good way in my opinion (Not as good as DLBIA though). It's a nice pop song. A while back, I introduced one of my mates to Oasis (He is now a big fan by the way), and his favorite song is Little By Little.
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Post by Wonderwailer on Jul 27, 2008 10:43:50 GMT -5
That doesn't change the fact that Metacritic - which you love to go by - proved you wong. I'l prove you wong You're wong wong wong, so wong it's not fummyI always get a laugh out of you Lisp4ever continue arguing I did "check with your mum" and she agrees your retarded...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2008 19:02:57 GMT -5
Is it fun twisting facts to justify your opinion? I can't be bothered with this, what you believe is what you believe. Ignorance is bliss, after all, and you're a prime example of this. "Twisting facts"? FACT: DBTT got a combined 64 on metacritic. FACT: That is shit. You are welcome yet again. And do you know what a 64 on metacritic is? It's fuckignf avorable reviews. Fuck off you dumbass. Learn how to read and come back when you have a fucking brain.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 30, 2008 6:24:20 GMT -5
HC is a "singles" album. rest of the album makes it there worst because it just doesn't flow properly.
By the way i like the ANDYGALLGHER's idea of combining HC and DBTT.
My track list 1. The Hindu Times 2. Lyla 3. Songbird 4. Love Like A Bomb 5. The Importance Of Being Idle 6. Little By Little 7. Guess God Thinks I'm Abel 8. Lord Don't Slow Me Down 9. Stop Crying Your Heart Out 10. Let There Be Love
Now seriously that album would in my opinion be the best album of all time....
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Post by l41n on Jul 30, 2008 6:27:10 GMT -5
Combine The Masterplan and Be Here Now while we're at it.
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Post by Underneath the sky on Jul 30, 2008 7:48:45 GMT -5
Why not combine all seven albums? Oh wait it's called Stop the Clocks.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 30, 2008 8:16:56 GMT -5
Why not combine all seven albums? Oh wait it's called Stop the Clocks. LOL
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Post by toiletface on Jul 30, 2008 8:44:07 GMT -5
Why not combine all seven albums? Oh wait it's called Stop the Clocks. well 6 albums!! they totally ignored Be Here Now... For some reason they thought Songbird, Lyla and TIOBI were better than DYKWIM, Stand By Me, Fade In-Out and Don't Go Away... God knows what Noel was smoking when he made that decision
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