Colt
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Post by Colt on Jul 23, 2008 11:01:21 GMT -5
I certainly have my fingers crossed for this album to be brilliant, but see one major hurdle as to why this album will not stack up with their best. Event if this album had songs that were as good as the batch on WTSMG this album still would not be as good as Liam cannot execute them as he could when he was 22. A huge part of what made Oasis the biggest band in the world was having one of the most distinct (and best IMO) vocalists in the world.
I know people will say Noel's voice is brilliant now, and I'm not going to disagree that his voice has become very solid. But even if Noel could sing as well as he can now back in 1995, Oasis would never have reached the success that they did on Noel's voice. Liam Gallagher's voice in 1994-1995 was as important as the songs that Noel wrote.
I'm not slagging Liam off. I get that your voice ages, and you can't be young forever. I think this album will be fantastic, fun to listen to, and better than anything else put out there, the same I feel about every single of their previous 6 albums. But this one point will prevent it from rivaling DM or WTSMG.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 11:06:30 GMT -5
Nothing Oasis ever write will equal Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory. It's impossible.
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deks
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Post by deks on Jul 23, 2008 11:07:16 GMT -5
Disagree.
I think his voice in the studio is almost as good these days as it was in the 90s (with proper studio technologies).
The main question lies with songwriting (in first place) and production.
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Post by castlecraver on Jul 23, 2008 11:09:44 GMT -5
He was fine on DBTT. He's been dodgy in places live, but after Glasto 2004 the whole DBTT tour was phenomenal by comparison. I think Sardy and friends will be able to make him sound at least DBTT quality on the album, and frankly, that'll be more than good enough for me. If the worst thing people can say about this album is "its a shame they didnt record this in 1996 back before Liam's voice was shot" then I don't see how anyone can be disappointed.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 11:16:25 GMT -5
Ugh, this "Liam's voice is shit so all the songs are gonna be shit" argument always bothers me.
Yeah, Liam can't sing Slide Away and like minded songs anymore, sadly. That was a great tune live.
But as his voice has changed, the songs and sounds of the band have changed to fit his new style.
Yes, Liam's voice has deteriorated because he's not capable of singing like he did in the 1990s. HOWEVER, his voice is not shot, nor dead, nor neccessarily crap - just look at it as a new style. The band will conform to that style, just like they did with DBTT.
And we've seen evidence that Liam can still sparkle - Lyla, GGTIA, are both good live and on the album. While LLAB is pretty good on the album, but the demo version is even better as he's actually singing!
So no, you're theory is a good one, but it doesn't hold up - thankfully. We're going to be looking at a an album that'll fit within the top 3 or 4 Oasis albums I reckon. Be excited.
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Post by vespa on Jul 23, 2008 11:16:51 GMT -5
yeh liams voice was inportant to there success but songs and image were the major factor an what theyd came from.liam will sound fine on the cd an hell sound fine live,he does not have studio technology creating his vocals!!he puts alot of that on himself as he has stated he was beginning to get sick of his voice,yeh dont get me wrong his voice has changed since the 90s but hasnt everyones?inc richard ashcroft vocals have even roughed up but liams putting alot of it on himself.studio technology would not help massively with the way liam sings,its totally different to a pop singer
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Post by thedon on Jul 23, 2008 11:22:00 GMT -5
Nothing Oasis ever write will equal Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory. It's impossible. Correct. There's no point hoping for an album to rival them; they're timeless classics. Most bands only have one of them, nevermind two. |
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Post by Instant Karma on Jul 23, 2008 11:30:09 GMT -5
Jesus, I like Liams voice then and now, there's nothing wrong with it. For a fans forum, Oasis don't half take some stick on these boards! every other thread seems to be having a go for some reason. I'll stick up for them! there's nothing wrong with Liams voice! it's distinctly and uniqely Oasis!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2008 11:30:32 GMT -5
yeh liams voice was inportant to there success but songs and image were the major factor an what theyd came from.liam will sound fine on the cd an hell sound fine live,he does not have studio technology creating his vocals!!he puts alot of that on himself as he has stated he was beginning to get sick of his voice,yeh dont get me wrong his voice has changed since the 90s but hasnt everyones?inc richard ashcroft vocals have even roughed up but liams putting alot of it on himself.studio technology would not help massively with the way liam sings,its totally different to a pop singer Agreed. Of course technology helps clean up his vocals in the studio, but that's it. I pondered this same concept in a thread I created a few weeks back - thread was "Is Liam doing this intentionally" or something similar. And while voices naturally change over time, a long with 14+ years of constant sneering, and all that alcohol and cigs will affect it too, I'm pretty sure Liam is atleast partially doing it on purpose (We saw from him doing GGTIA live and the demo version of LLAB, and even most versions of Lyla, that he can still sing) |
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Post by custodian on Jul 23, 2008 11:46:00 GMT -5
That recent French article about the album seemed to hint his voice sounded better on this album.
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Post by anthmcc on Jul 23, 2008 12:03:24 GMT -5
I certainly have my fingers crossed for this album to be brilliant, but see one major hurdle as to why this album will not stack up with their best. Event if this album had songs that were as good as the batch on WTSMG this album still would not be as good as Liam cannot execute them as he could when he was 22. A huge part of what made Oasis the biggest band in the world was having one of the most distinct (and best IMO) vocalists in the world. I know people will say Noel's voice is brilliant now, and I'm not going to disagree that his voice has become very solid. But even if Noel could sing as well as he can now back in 1995, Oasis would never have reached the success that they did on Noel's voice. Liam Gallagher's voice in 1994-1995 was as important as the songs that Noel wrote. I'm not slagging Liam off. I get that your voice ages, and you can't be young forever. I think this album will be fantastic, fun to listen to, and better than anything else put out there, the same I feel about every single of their previous 6 albums. But this one point will prevent it from rivaling DM or WTSMG. I do see your point(s) but to be fair, his voice is not going to be to the detriment of the album. All the changing voice has done is curtail live performances a little in song selection. They can make him sound as strong as ever on the record. As for preventing it rivalling DM & MG, I don't think his voice is that great on DM personally. I don't need you guys to agree (LG himself already has ;D). His voice was at its' strongest on Be Here Now. To me at it's weakest on DM. Based on the strength of this alone I can't agree that it will somehow let the record down. Just my opinion. |
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Post by start at the end on Jul 23, 2008 12:11:41 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the power of Pro Tools and about 6,000 takes.
Live is a completely different animal...I find about 27 beers takes care of that problem though.
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Post by benosound on Jul 23, 2008 12:32:07 GMT -5
Listening back to the glasto gig yesterday, he was brilliant apart from one song (SCYHO)
RNRS was phenomenal
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costello
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Post by costello on Jul 23, 2008 12:48:23 GMT -5
1° : Wagner wrote his biggest, greatest operas at more than sixty years old.. so never say a musician is too old...
2° : Johnny Cash had more success with his last albums produced before his death by Rick Rubbin than he ever had in his entire life..
So I believe that Liam & Noel can still produce something as big as WONDERWALL or DON'T LOOK BACK IN ANGER, LIVE FOREVER, CHAMPAGNE SUPERNOVA etc...
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Post by Iliad ♣ on Jul 23, 2008 12:49:55 GMT -5
Listening back to the glasto gig yesterday, he was brilliant apart from one song (SCYHO) RNRS was phenomenal I never understood why everyone is always complaining about Liams performance at Glastonbury 04. Probably because it was one of the first times Liams voice was publicly critised by non-Oasis fans and the media. In comparison with 99% of the DBTT gigs Liam was brilliant at Glastonbury. |
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Post by idledreamer on Jul 23, 2008 12:58:48 GMT -5
Ugh, this "Liam's voice is shit so all the songs are gonna be shit" argument always bothers me. And while voices naturally change over time, a long with 14+ years of constant sneering, and all that alcohol and cigs will affect it too, I'm pretty sure Liam is atleast partially doing it on purpose i don't know, mate,. i have heard some pretty shitty--- and i mean SHITTY live vocals out of liam since 2000... (glasto 2004 off the top of my head) .... why on earth would he wan't to sing like that on PURPOSE?  but MAN what a set of pipes on him back in the day.  |
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Post by Columbus Egg on Jul 23, 2008 13:21:30 GMT -5
1° : Wagner wrote his biggest, greatest operas at more than sixty years old.. so never say a musician is too old... 2° : Johnny Cash had more success with his last albums produced before his death by Rick Rubbin than he ever had in his entire life.. So I believe that Liam & Noel can still produce something as big as WONDERWALL or DON'T LOOK BACK IN ANGER, LIVE FOREVER, CHAMPAGNE SUPERNOVA etc... Kinda peculiar comparisons, don't you think? Both those artists were in genres that enabled them to capitalize on maturity and experience. Oasis' best music relied so much on that youthful optimism of a hungry young band. Recently they've been living in wealth with their families ... what's been going on to replace that that's to be captured? Noel says this album is about the drug trips he had when he was younger. Okay, but we're basically getting a 40 year old man telling us what he remembers seeing when he got high in his younger days. He's had to revert to that because people don't care about him waiting in line somewhere or professing his love to his wife like a good domesticated husband (what happened to the Married With Children way of thinking?) He has capitalized on his age, though. Just Getting Older and The Importance of Being Idle were glimpses of his current lifestyle that were turned into great songs. I just don't expect to see anything epic to come out of it like the songs you mentioned because age and acquired wisdom isn't a wellspring for great rock n' roll or pop, like what they used to do. |
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Post by idledreamer on Jul 23, 2008 13:29:45 GMT -5
1° : Wagner wrote his biggest, greatest operas at more than sixty years old.. so never say a musician is too old... 2° : Johnny Cash had more success with his last albums produced before his death by Rick Rubbin than he ever had in his entire life.. So I believe that Liam & Noel can still produce something as big as WONDERWALL or DON'T LOOK BACK IN ANGER, LIVE FOREVER, CHAMPAGNE SUPERNOVA etc... Kinda peculiar comparisons, don't you think? Both those artists were in genres that enabled them to capitalize on maturity and experience. Oasis' best music relied so much on that youthful optimism of a hungry young band. Recently they've been living in wealth with their families ... what's been going on to replace that that's to be captured? Noel says this album is about the drug trips he had when he was younger. Okay, but we're basically getting a 40 year old man telling us what he remembers seeing when he got high in his younger days. He's had to revert to that because people don't care about him waiting in line somewhere or professing his love to his wife like a good domesticated husband (what happened to the Married With Children way of thinking?) He has capitalized on his age, though. Just Getting Older and The Importance of Being Idle were glimpses of his current lifestyle that were turned into great songs. I just don't expect to see anything epic to come out of it like the songs you mentioned because age and acquired wisdom isn't a wellspring for great rock n' roll or pop, like what they used to do. excellent post, mate. btw Johnny Cash = LEGEND |
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costello
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Post by costello on Jul 23, 2008 13:31:53 GMT -5
1° : Wagner wrote his biggest, greatest operas at more than sixty years old.. so never say a musician is too old... 2° : Johnny Cash had more success with his last albums produced before his death by Rick Rubbin than he ever had in his entire life.. So I believe that Liam & Noel can still produce something as big as WONDERWALL or DON'T LOOK BACK IN ANGER, LIVE FOREVER, CHAMPAGNE SUPERNOVA etc... Kinda peculiar comparisons, don't you think? Both those artists were in genres that enabled them to capitalize on maturity and experience. Oasis' best music relied so much on that youthful optimism of a hungry young band. Recently they've been living in wealth with their families ... what's been going on to replace that that's to be captured? Noel says this album is about the drug trips he had when he was younger. Okay, but we're basically getting a 40 year old man telling us what he remembers seeing when he got high in his younger days. He's had to revert to that because people don't care about him waiting in line somewhere or professing his love to his wife like a good domesticated husband (what happened to the Married With Children way of thinking?) He has capitalized on his age, though. Just Getting Older and The Importance of Being Idle were glimpses of his current lifestyle that were turned into great songs. I just don't expect to see anything epic to come out of it like the songs you mentioned because age and acquired wisdom isn't a wellspring for great rock n' roll or pop, like what they used to do. Hmmmm... I hate to say it but... you're right and I'm wrong. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jul 23, 2008 13:40:38 GMT -5
I always thought Just Getting Older was shite.
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Post by Jonny on Jul 23, 2008 14:01:12 GMT -5
Nothing Oasis ever write will equal Definitely Maybe or Morning Glory. It's impossible. Only time will tell! |
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Post by costello on Jul 23, 2008 14:08:06 GMT -5
I always thought Just Getting Older was shite. I won't say it's " shite ".. but it's a very weak song.. and a very lazy one, Ringo would have loved singing it. |
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Post by deks on Jul 23, 2008 14:09:36 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the power of Pro Tools and about 6,000 takes. Spot on, man. That is, by the way, the reason why so many bands sound sh*te live P.S. Love both Johnny Cash's classic stuff and his late "American" records. Shame that he didn't cover Oasis there ;D RIP Johnny, one of the greatest musicians of the century |
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Post by bwilder on Jul 23, 2008 14:13:41 GMT -5
I think this album will be their best since BHN no matter what Liams voice sounds like. The songs will be the ticket. And yes, Johnny Cash is a legend.  |
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on Jul 23, 2008 16:09:27 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the power of Pro Tools and about 6,000 takes. That's somewhat overrated. You could only do so much with his voice... I'd say his voice in the studio is best described as "fine" for now. Live is pretty poor (atleast on the last tour). Of course this is all in Liam standards. I still think in his prime he was one of the greatest lead singers of all time |
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