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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 24, 2008 22:53:27 GMT -5
Ok, yes - cigs and alc have taken its toll. Normal wear and tear too. Add to the fact that voice changes over time. So i'm not proposing the notion that it's all intentional on Liam's part.....
ok now that thats straigten out....
give the DEMO version of Love Like a Bomb a listen. Liam is actually singing! The album version is better musically, but the demo's version has one of Liam's best vocals i've heard in the past 6 years (Since HC)
So we know he still has it in him - a good voice - live performances are hit and miss, and this demo version show that he still has it
But the question is, is he doing it intentionally - to a certain extent?
1.) First, look at his stance recently - it's def shifted: He used to lean on the mic or stand pretty much straight. Now his legs are positioned differently and bent a bit
2.) John Lennon obsession: Ever since HC, we've seen Liam try to copy the vocals of Lennon - BOADC is the best example of this - is he trying to do it too frequently now and forcing it too much?
3.) Band has indeed seem to have gotten louder musically - which is great, but perhaps Liam feels he needs to sing/sneer even louder, and that puts his vocals off
So what do you reckon? Is the change of vocals somewhat intentional, or is his voice simply hit and miss now, getting ever worse?
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I actually feel that this new album and resulting tour will tell us a lot.
His voice was fine in 2002. The change came around 2004/2005 with DBTT.
It's now 3 years later. I'm SURE Liam knows that his voice recently hasnt been up to par.
So it's going to be interesting in August/September to see if he's fixed it by either getting help and voice lessons, and/or changing what he was doing (ie the list above, like going back to his 'normal' stance)
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2008 23:19:50 GMT -5
It's been mentioned plenty times before, but he is yelling. So, it's partially on purpose, but it's also due to him loosing his singing voice.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on May 24, 2008 23:45:48 GMT -5
well we gotta admit that in studio that are a lot of resources to make his voice sound as good as possible... in other hand, when performing live, there's a lot of damage in his voice due to extend and continuous use... so I'd say that is unfair to compair how he sounds live and in studio...
but I do agree that he got really worse in the DBTT tour
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Post by MEANSTREAK on May 25, 2008 3:56:49 GMT -5
and that kids is a bad advert for drug abuse
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2008 4:30:11 GMT -5
and that kids is a bad advert for drug abuse Heh, I was just watching FTM today and I finally understood what they were talking about. Haven't watched that concert since my early days as an Oasis fan. |
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Post by ToneBender on May 25, 2008 8:35:23 GMT -5
Ok, yes - cigs and alc have taken its toll. Normal wear and tear too. Add to the fact that voice changes over time. So i'm not proposing the notion that it's all intentional on Liam's part..... ok now that thats straigten out.... give the DEMO version of Love Like a Bomb a listen. Liam is actually singing! The album version is better musically, but the demo's version has one of Liam's best vocals i've heard in the past 6 years (Since HC) So we know he still has it in him - a good voice - live performances are hit and miss, and this demo version show that he still has it But the question is, is he doing it intentionally - to a certain extent? 1.) First, look at his stance recently - it's def shifted: He used to lean on the mic or stand pretty much straight. Now his legs are positioned differently and bent a bit 2.) John Lennon obsession: Ever since HC, we've seen Liam try to copy the vocals of Lennon - BOADC is the best example of this - is he trying to do it too frequently now and forcing it too much? 3.) Band has indeed seem to have gotten louder musically - which is great, but perhaps Liam feels he needs to sing/sneer even louder, and that puts his vocals off So what do you reckon? Is the change of vocals somewhat intentional, or is his voice simply hit and miss now, getting ever worse? 1. He gets better projection this way at the expense of his vocal chords. There's a bit more energy behind the performance this way. Listen to how he sings Wonderwall at the Radio Aid show...His vocals are great but it's lifeless. If Noel or Gem played the guitar in the equivalent manner, you'd fall asleep at the show. 2. Liam has been obsessed with thinking he's John Lydon crossed with John Lennon vocally since before DM. I'd put it more on the John Lydon obsession than John Lennon. 3. The band haven't gotten louder. If anything their stage setup is considerably quieter than it used to be. Noel and Gem use much lower wattage setups than Noel and Bonehead did. Noel in particular uses 2 or 3 power attenuators which will drastically cut the stage volume. Noel already has hearing loss and has cut his stage volume for that reason. Also, Liam now uses in-ear monitors so he should be able to hear better than previous tours. Bottom line, 15 years of intense rehearsal, touring and recording in a rock band will do a number on anyone's voice. Try singing along to Be Here now all the way through and see how your throat feels. Imagine doing that every night for 15 years....Liam is intent to go out there every night and put 110% into his vocals which he does. Unfortunately, it's akin to Aaron Rowand running into wall for every attempted catch he makes in the outfield. Liam needs to find a happy medium between putting on a show with his all (which leads to shouting) and singing properly (but lifelessly, a la the Radio Aid show). He might then be able to salvage his voice for about 60 shows a year. |
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Post by vespa on May 25, 2008 10:08:35 GMT -5
alot of his vocals at the minute are down to himself,smoking an drinking will not cause this,you can clearly tell by the demos that his old style his there but liam himself has said he didnt really like that style anymore so hes changed it.theres only so much you can do in a studio,add effects an autotune
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on May 25, 2008 11:09:48 GMT -5
He can't breathe. In the studio, you can record each line seperately if you want. Live, you notice he always cuts words short and doesn't finish lines...Quite a difference from a decade ago when that's what made his style unique. Like it went from "she-iiiiiiiine" to "shah!" Why? Cause he loses his breath too fast (thank you cigarettes)
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Post by Cast on May 25, 2008 11:30:58 GMT -5
The "sheiiiine" is one thing i really miss. But i think the ear thing plays a role i know its supposed to help but it takes awhile to get used to i hear.
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Post by ShakeAlongWithMe on May 25, 2008 14:52:32 GMT -5
what i don't understand is, how is Noel's voice still perfect, yet Liams is now f*cked!?!?... i'm sure they used to drink/smoke roughly about the same (to a certain extent).
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 25, 2008 15:15:54 GMT -5
what i don't understand is, how is Noel's voice still perfect, yet Liams is now f*cked!?!?... i'm sure they used to drink/smoke roughly about the same (to a certain extent). I wondered this myself Everyone's different..... But also, that might support the theory that Liam is intentionally altering his voice for whatever reason Again, this tour and album will tell us a lot. DBTT was the first time we noticed Liam's voice get bad, so this is the first time we get a chance to see if he's improved it....I mean, it's been 3 years....he could have done a lot those 3 years to fix whatever the fuck he was doing If it's just as bad or worse on this tour, then we'll have to live with the fact that either he likes his new style and wont change, or his voice is beyone repair If his voice is better, then we know he's been working on it, which would be the best news, obviously |
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Post by ToneBender on May 25, 2008 17:19:56 GMT -5
what i don't understand is, how is Noel's voice still perfect, yet Liams is now f*cked!?!?... i'm sure they used to drink/smoke roughly about the same (to a certain extent). I wondered this myself Everyone's different..... 1. Noel sings about 3 songs a night versus 15 songs a night. 2. Noel has commented that he listened back to old tapes and heard how terrible his singing was (very pitchy). He blamed it on not realizing he had a PA behind him and shouting instead of singing. Listen to early versions of Don't Look Back In Anger and hear how pitchy he is. Noel made the appropriate adjustments. Liam hasn't yet realized that he should too. 3. Noel goes to soundchecks and has his levels set properly as opposed to Liam who skips out on the soundchecks. 4. Noel's singing style doesn't even remotely resemble Liam's. 5. Liam is not TRYING to lose his voice on tour. Rest assured, he'd like to sound better but he hasn't yet found the right balance. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 25, 2008 18:30:07 GMT -5
I wondered this myself Everyone's different..... 5. Liam is not TRYING to lose his voice on tour. Rest assured, he'd like to sound better but he hasn't yet found the right balance. lol, of course he's not. Thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying that perhaps in 2004 and 2005 he tried a new style of singing. Now that new style could have been tried for many reasons: need to alter voice bc its just not as good anymore ....or simply because he just wanted to give something different a try Either way, you're right - he hasn't found the right balance yet. That's why this forthcoming tour is a pivotal moment, and will tell us alot. I don't think we should have our mind made up 100% about Liams voice right now. Not until we hear him sing this autumn. If it sounds worse, then we can be 99.9% sure that his voice is indeed ruined, if it sounds better than DBTT tour, then we can rest assured. |
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Post by kenneth on May 26, 2008 4:06:30 GMT -5
I think one of the main reasons for the decrease in his voice is because of his singing stance, which may have lead to the vocal chord being stretched out. Of course the cigs have taken their toll on him to. I can think of a good argument for this, in that at the Radio Aid '05 performance of Songbird and Wonderwall, he don't stretch his head upwards to that degree he does on their concerts. Imagine singing like this since late 1994.
I also think that when we first noticed that his voice was starting to go bad, was in the Heathen Chemistry tour. Their Witnness festival concert performance of Some Might Say and My Generation is a good example of this.
What does concern me a bit, and as Headshrinker mentions, is that the next tour is going to be a pivotal moment in terms of how his voice will sound. Well, if the performance at the Brits '07 is anything to go by, I think we just have to realize that the old voice Liam had is gone for good at their live shows. Though, I'm looking really forward to August when they're going to play their first concerts in a while.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 26, 2008 4:14:54 GMT -5
Girlfriend/hobby.
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Post by LlAM on May 26, 2008 4:26:23 GMT -5
Liam growls and sneers on purpose but he doesn't lose his voice and sing flat on purpose.
If he was "trying a new style" on the DBTT tour he would've been shot down by the rest of the band within the first couple of dates and told to sing properly cos honestly, it was shyte.
What he needs to do is see a vocal coach and work out everyday.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 26, 2008 4:34:24 GMT -5
Girlfriend/hobby.
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Post by LlAM on May 26, 2008 4:53:04 GMT -5
Sorry, can't help you with either. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 26, 2008 5:13:01 GMT -5
Sorry, can't help you with either. Didn't ask you to. But here's what Liam needs to do. Oasis need to perform all shows in humid climates, to help prevent/minimize the risk of dry throat problems. Liam needs to stop smoking and drinking but that's just ridiculous. And he should eat more sweets to create saliva and lubricate his throat along with more fluids. Not see a vocal instructor or whatever because that's just fucking gay and very amateur hour. Oh, and also he should stop singing for an hour or so every night on tour but then most of you people wouldn't have anything to talk about and/or complain about. |
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Post by LlAM on May 26, 2008 5:33:07 GMT -5
Sorry, can't help you with either. Didn't ask you to. But here's what Liam needs to do. Oasis need to perform all shows in humid climates, to help prevent/minimize the risk of dry throat problems. Liam needs to stop smoking and drinking but that's just ridiculous. And he should eat more sweets to create saliva and lubricate his throat along with more fluids. Not see a vocal instructor or whatever because that's just fucking gay and very amateur hour. Oh, and also he should stop singing for an hour or so every night on tour but then most of you people wouldn't have anything to talk about and/or complain about. Sounds like you're the only one complaining about anything round here. And it's certainly clear who's in need for a girlfriend. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 26, 2008 7:59:26 GMT -5
It actually hurts that i'm so right, doesn't it?
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Post by Jonny on May 26, 2008 8:24:46 GMT -5
I think he's yelling to sound more rock and roll and angry. Just my thought. No way would this not be intentional, we all heard the Within you, without you vocals... Blew my socks off. I thought "You devious vagina"
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Post by dearprudence on May 26, 2008 11:51:10 GMT -5
I think he singing is different before HC, check Familiar To Millions, even noel joked that he sounded like a boat engine there...
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on May 26, 2008 12:18:49 GMT -5
I think he's yelling to sound more rock and roll and angry. Just my thought. No way would this not be intentional, we all heard the Within you, without you vocals... Blew my socks off. I thought "You devious vagina" Once again, word to wise...don't judge him based on what he sounds like on a studio recording. Forget the fact they can edit his voice and tune it and whatnot, just think about the fact he can do each line 10 times and have the producer piece it together with parts from the best takes. I'll wait til they go on tour to judge his voice. You can't use any smoke and mirrors live so that'll be as true as it gets. |
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Post by nyr401994 on May 26, 2008 17:02:24 GMT -5
he didn't intentionally made his voice like that, but that's what happens when you smoke, drink and take drugs too much. he lost it.
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