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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 19, 2008 1:03:19 GMT -5
It sounds very DBTT-like to me, and thus completly different than the other 2 'new' demos - RM and STC
I thought this the first time i heard it, but posting my thought now
Take into account Noel and Liams comments that they're throwing the kitchen sink at this album, with orchestras and such
Now listen to the song again
Halfway through, the strings are clearly there. Thats the best part of the entire song imo
The only reason I see for this not to be on the album is that it's too similar to MOS, but it's better than MOS imo
All 3 demos obviously need touch ups before they make the album - NOM especially
How I see it:
STC: Make it bigger - ie, cut the acoustic crap
RM: If the rumor is correct, it'll be fine: 3mins longer, 1-2 more guitar solos etc
NOM: Clean up Liam's vocals
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STC and RM have the potential to be epics, and probably will be, and both are a sure bet to be included on the new album
NOM is still up in the air imo, but I think we need to hold it in a great deal of consideration, mainly because of the heavy use of the strings in it....(and lets be honest, NOM isnt a BAD song....it's better than Hung In a Bad Place and stuff likfe that, it's just not as good as the other 2 demos)
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Post by idledreamer on May 19, 2008 3:25:25 GMT -5
stc - agreed, make it bigger ,, but keep it acoustic then have the drums pick it up at the "lost inside my head behind the wall' part * also make the outro about 1 min. longer rm- keep the sound exactly the way it is, but 3-4 minutes longer nom, noy - like the sound actually, just make it longer, maybe have the outro keep on going on and on and on then feeding back on itself with a ton of reverb and echo at the last :40 sec (sounds very abby roadish to me, ie in the vien of 'i want you she's so heavy') also i think it would be cool to keep the 'stc' line in record machine, and maybe even go so far as to have the two songs mix/segue/progress into each other (kind of the way the last 'untitled' and champagne supernova mixed into each other to close out wtsmg)  |
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Post by LlAM on May 19, 2008 3:41:48 GMT -5
I really hope Liam has written better songs than Nothing On Me within the last 3 years.
I mean, it's a decent tune, but he could easily do better.
Therefor I think they've scrapped it again, or better yet not even considered it for the album.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 19, 2008 4:01:17 GMT -5
I really hope Liam has written better songs than Nothing On Me within the last 3 years. I mean, it's a decent tune, but he could easily do better. Therefor I think they've scrapped it again, or better yet not even considered it for the album. As compared to your songs? |
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Post by LlAM on May 19, 2008 4:18:57 GMT -5
I really hope Liam has written better songs than Nothing On Me within the last 3 years. I mean, it's a decent tune, but he could easily do better. Therefor I think they've scrapped it again, or better yet not even considered it for the album. As compared to your songs? No. Compared to his own songs. Sorry, I didn't know we weren't aloud to comment if we weren't at least as big as Oasis.
Let's shut down the forums. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 19, 2008 5:05:29 GMT -5
As compared to your songs? No. Compared to his own songs. Sorry, I didn't know we weren't aloud to comment if we weren't at least as big as Oasis.
Let's shut down the forums. I just have a really hard time with overly critical persons, where as Liam's out there doing it, yer probably still trying to tie yer shoelaces. |
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Post by LlAM on May 19, 2008 5:22:42 GMT -5
No. Compared to his own songs. Sorry, I didn't know we weren't aloud to comment if we weren't at least as big as Oasis.
Let's shut down the forums. I just have a really hard time with overly critical persons, where as Liam's out there doing it, yer probably still trying to tie yer shoelaces. Overly critical you say? I say Liam can do far better than NOM. That's not being critical, that's acknowledging his talent as a songwriter. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 19, 2008 5:27:09 GMT -5
I just have a really hard time with overly critical persons, where as Liam's out there doing it, yer probably still trying to tie yer shoelaces. Overly critical you say? I say Liam can do far better than NOM. That's not being critical, that's acknowledging his talent as a songwriter. It's actually called, 'pick up a guitar and do it yerself if u believe it could be better'. |
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Post by LlAM on May 19, 2008 5:51:38 GMT -5
Overly critical you say? I say Liam can do far better than NOM. That's not being critical, that's acknowledging his talent as a songwriter. It's actually called, 'pick up a guitar and do it yerself if u believe it could be better'. My musical abilities have nothing to do with this topic. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 19, 2008 6:32:20 GMT -5
It's actually called, 'pick up a guitar and do it yerself if u believe it could be better'. My musical abilities have nothing to do with this topic. So what, yer inability to keep your mouth shut then? |
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Post by idledreamer on May 19, 2008 6:36:34 GMT -5
easy lads --- we're all madferit here,, let's comment on how we think the new (well, ok ,, old) songs should sound i am with headshrinker, i think they are on the right track here but they just need a bit of revamp maybe have stc begin with a slow long fade up of a clock ticking (cliche i know, but i think it would be ace) ,, maybe not though as everyone would say they are ripping off pink flloyd. . . then at the end of the song have it end cold like it does on the demo,, a few seconds of total silence with the ticking coming back in, then liam's long tambourine rattle bringing in record machine to close out the album |
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Post by LlAM on May 19, 2008 6:49:48 GMT -5
My musical abilities have nothing to do with this topic. So what, yer inability to keep your mouth shut then? You have issues |
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Post by mattstephens1988 on May 19, 2008 7:20:17 GMT -5
Stop The Clocks is booooorrrring! Definitely in need of a tempo upgrade and more stuff thrown at it, like, have the drums and bass come in earlier on in the track.
Record Machine is my fav of the three, amazing song, one of Noel's best, love the solo.
Nothing On Me .. love it, rocking, doesnt really need much more to it, its loud n 'in yer face' as it should be.
Biggest fear is that the new record will sound too much like Don't Believe The Truth, seeing as Sardy is producing again and Zak is still drumming, i mean, its got the same ingredients, i just hope it sounds 'fresh' when it comes out.
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Post by dearprudence on May 19, 2008 8:36:14 GMT -5
Stop The Clocks is booooorrrring! Definitely in need of a tempo upgrade and more stuff thrown at it, like, have the drums and bass come in earlier on in the track.  |
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Post by Plantpot on May 19, 2008 9:03:11 GMT -5
The only reason I see for this not to be on the album is that it's too similar to MOS, but it's better than MOS imo I do not understand why some people think that "They Got Nothing on Me" sounds like "The Meaning of Soul." Is it because Liam wrote both songs? They do not sound the same. The only resemblance I can think of is that they are both short in terms of duration. |
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Post by Bloomfield on May 19, 2008 12:02:14 GMT -5
The only reason I see for this not to be on the album is that it's too similar to MOS, but it's better than MOS imo I do not understand why some people think that "They Got Nothing on Me" sounds like "The Meaning of Soul." Is it because Liam wrote both songs? They do not sound the same. The only resemblance I can think of is that they are both short in terms of duration. Because they're both repetitive songs with not much melody or dynamics, and they're both short. Again, if the best part of a song is the "music"... that's a problem. You're telling me that the band behind songs like Supersonic, Don't Look Back In Anger, Live Forever and 100 more classics is now settling for songs like Nothing On Me and Meaning Of Soul? I miss "The Chief". |
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Post by Plantpot on May 19, 2008 12:49:18 GMT -5
I do not understand why some people think that "They Got Nothing on Me" sounds like "The Meaning of Soul." Is it because Liam wrote both songs? They do not sound the same. The only resemblance I can think of is that they are both short in terms of duration. Because they're both repetitive songs with not much melody or dynamics, and they're both short. Again, if the best part of a song is the "music"... that's a problem. You're telling me that the band behind songs like Supersonic, Don't Look Back In Anger, Live Forever and 100 more classics is now settling for songs like Nothing On Me and Meaning Of Soul? I miss "The Chief". I did not indicate whether I liked the song or not. All I stated was that "The Meaning of Soul" and "They Got Nothing on You" do not sound the same. And they do not sound the same. It does not not matter that they are both short, they are two entirely different ideas. They have different chords, different melody and a different rhythm. A more interesting question to pose is would people be making the same comparison had Noel written the song? The fact that a song is short and repetitive is not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Typical Oasis song structure includes repetition. Take a look at some of the songs you just mentioned: Supersonic- repeats same verses but changes the "I's" to "you's" and whatnot. Live Forever- repeats the same exact verses word for word. Again, I am in no way defending "they got nothing on you," to be honest I have yet to develop an informed opinion about that song. You do make a solid point about the importance of melody and dynamics, and I agree. This is one of the reasons why many of Oasis' songs are so spectacular: Though they are repetitive the melody is undeniably catchy and the hooks are sublime. |
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Post by Bloomfield on May 19, 2008 13:16:27 GMT -5
They are similar because they are both amateur sounding in terms of melody, lyrics etc... Noel wouldn't write a songs this daft... You can go on You Tube and watch 100 people pretending to be Oasis and it'll sound like a Liam song... I'm not saying anything about you Jonny, just the song... If it's on the album that'll be one major flaw right of the bat if we're going to hold Oasis to the high standards of they're best stuff.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 19, 2008 13:17:30 GMT -5
So what, yer inability to keep your mouth shut then? You have issues Yes, and you have tissues. I myself never get sick. |
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Post by njoasisnyc on May 19, 2008 13:19:52 GMT -5
i can't believe this is where we are with oasis.. discussing this god awful song. its pathetic, no where near oasis' par.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 19, 2008 13:35:47 GMT -5
I can't believe the world spins in a circle.
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Post by gefe on May 19, 2008 15:24:26 GMT -5
We need an album with a 100% of the songs written by Noel in order to have a GREAT album again.
End of the story.
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Post by mercury3164 on May 19, 2008 17:29:05 GMT -5
NOM sucks D. the other 2 tracks are great though
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on May 19, 2008 19:07:28 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say that Nothin' On Me it's far better than MOS... and as far as I'm concerned it could be in the album and would sound awesome live
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Post by TheEXPERIENCE on May 19, 2008 20:36:05 GMT -5
It sounds very DBTT-like to me, and thus completly different than the other 2 'new' demos - RM and STC I thought this the first time i heard it, but posting my thought now Take into account Noel and Liams comments that they're throwing the kitchen sink at this album, with orchestras and such Now listen to the song again Halfway through, the strings are clearly there. Thats the best part of the entire song imoThe only reason I see for this not to be on the album is that it's too similar to MOS, but it's better than MOS imo All 3 demos obviously need touch ups before they make the album - NOM especially How I see it: STC: Make it bigger - ie, cut the acoustic crap RM: If the rumor is correct, it'll be fine: 3mins longer, 1-2 more guitar solos etc NOM: Clean up Liam's vocals -- STC and RM have the potential to be epics, and probably will be, and both are a sure bet to be included on the new album NOM is still up in the air imo, but I think we need to hold it in a great deal of consideration, mainly because of the heavy use of the strings in it....(and lets be honest, NOM isnt a BAD song....it's better than Hung In a Bad Place and stuff likfe that, it's just not as good as the other 2 demos) I guess I missed the strings? Sounds like heavy reverb to me...Plus I thought they didn't even have string sections on sessions for DBTT |
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