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Post by Protector of reality on Mar 5, 2008 9:08:32 GMT -5
if liam shouts the songs in the concerts, why dont they turn the sound up on his mike so we can have the liam we heard on songs like
LTBL GGTIA KTDA.........whacha think???
and he didnt sound half bad on sargent peppers....
would it not be more logical???!!
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Post by Smige on Mar 5, 2008 10:59:22 GMT -5
I've thought this before, there must be a reason why they don't do it...
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Post by boywiththeshoes on Mar 5, 2008 13:52:56 GMT -5
 Weeeeeeeeeellllllllllllll!
You make me wanna shout
Look my hands jumpin'
Look my heart's thumpin'Seriously though, I think that Liam has a way of singing that means he can do it live for two hours or more without hurting his throat, he may have three nights at one venue. If he used his best voice he might not be able to sustain it for a long period of time. He couldn't talk for a week after he recorded "Fade In/Out". So his recording voice is different from his live voice. Check this version of GGTIA on the late show. Because it was a one off he could use his best voice. But some live performances have been brilliant, so I have blown my own argument out of the water. ;D ;D |
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Post by nyr401994 on Mar 5, 2008 17:21:56 GMT -5
listen to this and realize why many people, including myself, think his voice has gone to shit.
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Post by boywiththeshoes on Mar 5, 2008 17:39:53 GMT -5
listen to this and realize why many people, including myself, think his voice has gone to shit. Liam has a God given gift (his voice) but he never looked after his throat properly, still smokes, drinks, and people have argued that his trademark stance at the mike (because he arches his head back) have in the long term hurt his voice.....but all of the above make Liam who he is, and drinking camomile tea, wearing a cashmere scarf around is throat (to protect it), and stopping ciggies, and booze are not rock n roll. He has become a bit health conscience recently, but I still have hope that the new LP will have some great Liam vocals, but Liam live is always a gamble. |
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Post by RnRstar on Mar 5, 2008 20:19:20 GMT -5
listen to this and realize why many people, including myself, think his voice has gone to shit. I have never heard him do this bad. His singing there is absolutely shocking =\ Hopefully it was just that something was wrong with him day. This is worrying to say the least  |
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Post by Cast on Mar 5, 2008 21:50:46 GMT -5
not a bad version of lyla i think
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Mar 5, 2008 22:25:00 GMT -5
I don't think it's about singing loud, it's about reaching the right notes...they could play the songs half a tone down (which they did in DYKWIM and SMS during the HC tour), but sometimes it just doesn't work, some songs simple don't sound as they should in different tones, specially when it comes to rock tunes... Liam fucked up his voice, he barely can sing songs like Lyla or TUTS, and songs like KTDA or LTBL we will never hear it live cos' he simply CAN'T. It's a sad truth, but at least he still sounds awesome in studio...
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Mar 6, 2008 0:39:07 GMT -5
This is an Oasis reality of the 21st century I don't like to talk about...
But...we can all agree that Zak shits on Alan White when it comes to rock n roll.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 6, 2008 0:59:18 GMT -5
The Manchester gig in 2005 that was released with the LDSMD DVD shows that he still has it (ok, not like he did in the mid 90s, but hes def not shit in that gig)
I think it's a combination of things:
1.) Everyone's voices changes, so part of it is natural
2.) Cigs def have taken their toll
3.) His stance seems to have shifted in recent years?
4.) The band do seem like they're playing "too" loud, making Liam shouting and straining his voice
Let's be thankful that it's *only* hit and miss, about 50/50, concerning his voice. He still has it often enough to warrant great gigs (again, Manchester 2005). Sadly, it will lead to the end of the band....hopefully we can get at least 5 more years out of his voice before its consistently shit
At least the albums are still good, which is just as important as the live gigs
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Post by BasementGuitarist on Mar 6, 2008 1:00:48 GMT -5
People's vocal abilities change drastically over time. I sing in my band, and we put out our first album in 2005 when I was 18. Now I'm 21 and when we play some of our songs from '05, it's much more of a stretch to reach some notes than it was back then, so I could only imagine what it would be after like 10 years.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 6, 2008 1:02:59 GMT -5
not a bad version of lyla i think Agree, not bad at all. As long as his voice doesn't get any worse, it's ok. |
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Post by adamhannah on Mar 7, 2008 3:16:20 GMT -5
Its good and bad from what I've seen these days. I saw them at the end of the DBTT tour and he was in fine form, did a great version of up in the sky. However I've heard a bootleg from a gig about a week earlier and Liams voice was very husky and he struggled with a few high notes. But even on a dud night, I think at the gig you wouldnt notice as much. Its only when you watch a video or hear a bootleg that you hear when its a bit off.
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Post by adamhannah on Mar 7, 2008 3:18:16 GMT -5
And he still sound awesome on record, judging by Within you, without you
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Post by kenneth on Mar 7, 2008 4:36:33 GMT -5
Its good and bad from what I've seen these days. I saw them at the end of the DBTT tour and he was in fine form, did a great version of up in the sky. However I've heard a bootleg from a gig about a week earlier and Liams voice was very husky and he struggled with a few high notes. But even on a dud night, I think at the gig you wouldnt notice as much. Its only when you watch a video or hear a bootleg that you hear when its a bit off. Which DBTT show did they Play Up In The Sky? |
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Post by novascotialad on Mar 7, 2008 6:39:50 GMT -5
lol.. the one where noel was bouncing a chimp on each knee
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Post by ToneBender on Mar 7, 2008 8:42:38 GMT -5
It's not just a question of turning him up...It's also a question of turning other people down. In-ear monitors don't totally block out all the stage volume that may be making it hard for him to hear. Of course, going to sound-checks would help sort this out substantially. FWIW, Liam does drink tea now before gigs. I imagine this is all down to Liam thinking it's more rock n roll to sing with that much gusto behind him. Noel used to sound terrible in gigs back when he thought he was "singing for the last row". Then he realized he had 30,000 watts behind him and had no need to shout. His singing drastically improved. Liam's manner of singing is that he wants to put his all into it and doesn't realize that he doesn't need to sing so loudly. Consequently, as his voice gets a bit more haggard throughout a tour and he tries to project more, it makes him a bit "pitchier". I mean, he's no Ian Brown, but still, it becomes quite noticeable.
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Mar 7, 2008 11:10:59 GMT -5
Look at his stance from 94-96.....he barely hunched or even hunched at all. Case in point, pull up any of the Chicago Metro gigs or Glastonbury from '94.
He didn't scream either. He just needs the amps to do the work and just relax. He used to be 'cool, arrogant and amost a little disenchanted' on stage and now he is arrogant but tries to be menacing....almost like he has read so many things about his persona that he HAS to scream the lyrics like he is yelling at you.
I can't imagine that Noel would say all the things to and about Liam all this time but not address his voice issues.
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Post by doctorb on Mar 7, 2008 12:37:33 GMT -5
didnt noel and liam flip out after that tartana performance and vow to never go on the show again because the fucked up the sound and made it impossible for liam to sound as he should?
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Post by adamhannah on Mar 8, 2008 2:40:35 GMT -5
Its good and bad from what I've seen these days. I saw them at the end of the DBTT tour and he was in fine form, did a great version of up in the sky. However I've heard a bootleg from a gig about a week earlier and Liams voice was very husky and he struggled with a few high notes. But even on a dud night, I think at the gig you wouldnt notice as much. Its only when you watch a video or hear a bootleg that you hear when its a bit off. Which DBTT show did they Play Up In The Sky? Sorry I am mistaken, it was Bring It On Down I was referring to, and it was during their Australian tour in Dec 2005. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2008 3:07:57 GMT -5
It's not just a question of turning him up...It's also a question of turning other people down. In-ear monitors don't totally block out all the stage volume that may be making it hard for him to hear. Of course, going to sound-checks would help sort this out substantially. FWIW, Liam does drink tea now before gigs. I imagine this is all down to Liam thinking it's more rock n roll to sing with that much gusto behind him. Noel used to sound terrible in gigs back when he thought he was "singing for the last row". Then he realized he had 30,000 watts behind him and had no need to shout. His singing drastically improved. Liam's manner of singing is that he wants to put his all into it and doesn't realize that he doesn't need to sing so loudly. Consequently, as his voice gets a bit more haggard throughout a tour and he tries to project more, it makes him a bit "pitchier". I mean, he's no Ian Brown, but still, it becomes quite noticeable. Spot on man, spot on. |
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Post by jlzoasis on Mar 8, 2008 10:55:46 GMT -5
could someone fix the title of this post? its painful to read..
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Post by ogradym on Mar 12, 2008 13:00:47 GMT -5
call me crazy, but I actually like liam's shouting sometimes. I'll admit to shows where it's just too much, but one of the videos my friend sent me that sold me on oasis (I'm somewhat of a recent fan, but once you start it just builds everyday!!) was the argentina 06 clip of rock n' roll star. Maybe it's because of the crowd and liam looks so badass, but I actually really dug his singing because it's like he's pure evil up there singing sometimes. You know there are those "good" people who play music (chris martin, bono (shit!)) and then they're are the dangerous performers. to me liam's disregard for a "pretty" voice is part of what makes oasis dangerous and much more exciting.
of course I love his early voice too, and definitely sympythize with people who want it back. I'll never here him sing "round are way" or anything like that ever again, which is too bad but I don't like nice "just like a normal person" kind of performer, bullshit.
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Post by pwntinator on Mar 12, 2008 13:29:46 GMT -5
The show in Argentina 06 is one of the worst performances from Liam during the DBTT tour imo, he sounds absolutely dreadfull to me. Liam should go to a singing coach and get some real tips on how he should get the most out of his voice without damaging it even more and not sound so rough. I bet Noel have spoken to Liam about his voice so maybe we will get some improvements in this tour if we are lucky.
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Post by kenneth on Mar 12, 2008 13:51:34 GMT -5
The show in Argentina 06 is one of the worst performances from Liam during the DBTT tour imo, he sounds absolutely dreadfull to me. Liam should go to a singing coach and get some real tips on how he should get the most out of his voice without damaging it even more and not sound so rough. I bet Noel have spoken to Liam about his voice so maybe we will get some improvements in this tour if we are lucky. Yeah, I think Noel and Liam had a fight right after the Brits last year. I think one of the things they argued about was his voice. I got to admit, Liam did not sound great on the Brit awards. I remember I was a little shocked the first time I heard the version of Morning Glory they played there. Now I've gotten used to it though. I actually don't mind his voice now. |
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