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Post by noelliamgemandy on Feb 2, 2008 7:30:49 GMT -5
How many of you had Don't Believe the Truth before it was officially released?
I got a copy from a friend a week or so before it came out, and it had I Can See It Now on it, which was pretty cool.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 2, 2008 8:56:38 GMT -5
How many of you had Don't Believe the Truth before it was officially released? I got a copy from a friend a week or so before it came out, and it had I Can See It Now on it, which was pretty cool. yo man will you upload I Can See It Now and pm me a link to it?
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Post by noelliamgemandy on Feb 2, 2008 10:38:19 GMT -5
How many of you had Don't Believe the Truth before it was officially released? I got a copy from a friend a week or so before it came out, and it had I Can See It Now on it, which was pretty cool. yo man will you upload I Can See It Now and pm me a link to it? sorry, I don't have the track, in a feeling of guilt I destroyed the CD and bought it legit, but you could ask someone else, I'm sorry.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 3, 2008 4:40:23 GMT -5
yo man will you upload I Can See It Now and pm me a link to it? sorry, I don't have the track, in a feeling of guilt I destroyed the CD and bought it legit, but you could ask someone else, I'm sorry.
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Post by noelliamgemandy on Feb 3, 2008 5:03:06 GMT -5
sorry, I don't have the track, in a feeling of guilt I destroyed the CD and bought it legit, but you could ask someone else, I'm sorry. its true, I felt bad about it, so I threw it away, sorry mate
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 3, 2008 5:06:08 GMT -5
Noel and company have got umpteen millions in their bank accounts, no need to feel bad about anything man!
You still need who put the weight of the world on my shoulders?
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Post by noelliamgemandy on Feb 3, 2008 17:26:32 GMT -5
Noel and company have got umpteen millions in their bank accounts, no need to feel bad about anything man! You still need who put the weight of the world on my shoulders? if you can quick snap, but don't worry about it, you've given me 3 acoustic songs already, I appreciate it though!
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Post by ToneBender on Feb 3, 2008 20:23:48 GMT -5
Noel and company have got umpteen millions in their bank accounts, no need to feel bad about anything man! You still need who put the weight of the world on my shoulders? The band may have umpteen millions but the engineers, people working at the record label, people cleaning the bathrooms at the Village Recording Studio etc. don't have millions.
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Post by Way Cool Jr. on Feb 3, 2008 21:00:26 GMT -5
I got it the day it leaked and I bought it the day it came out. I'll do the same for the new one.
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Post by nyr401994 on Feb 3, 2008 22:55:58 GMT -5
i'm waiting until the release date. i'm going to my local record shop (aka not wal-mart) and walking out with it, just like i did with wtsmg, bhn, tm, sotsog and hc. (dbtt i downloaded the leak and got sick and tired of the album before it came out. never again!)
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Post by seanppp on Feb 3, 2008 23:14:58 GMT -5
Noel and company have got umpteen millions in their bank accounts, no need to feel bad about anything man! You still need who put the weight of the world on my shoulders? The band may have umpteen millions but the engineers, people working at the record label, people cleaning the bathrooms at the Village Recording Studio etc. don't have millions. Amen.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 4, 2008 0:59:19 GMT -5
Noel and company have got umpteen millions in their bank accounts, no need to feel bad about anything man! You still need who put the weight of the world on my shoulders? The band may have umpteen millions but the engineers, people working at the record label, people cleaning the bathrooms at the Village Recording Studio etc. don't have millions. I have purchased every single official album, single, DVD single, and DVD from oasis. In sme cases I have multiple copies of the same thing, i.e. the regular and the US dual disc and UK limited editions of DBTT and the same for Stop The Clocks. How is me downloading something not officially released hurting those people?
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 4, 2008 1:19:41 GMT -5
How many of you had Don't Believe the Truth before it was officially released? I got a copy from a friend a week or so before it came out, and it had I Can See It Now on it, which was pretty cool. I didn't. I download a lot of albums and bootlegs, but I've never downloaded any Oasis albums. I didn't download DBTT when it leaked and am not going to download the new album. Call me old fashion and stubborn, but that's me and I'm not shame of it.
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Post by noelliamgemandy on Feb 4, 2008 5:56:07 GMT -5
How many of you had Don't Believe the Truth before it was officially released? I got a copy from a friend a week or so before it came out, and it had I Can See It Now on it, which was pretty cool. I didn't. I download a lot of albums and bootlegs, but I've never downloaded any Oasis albums. I didn't download DBTT when it leaked and am not going to download the new album. Call me old fashion and stubborn, but that's me and I'm not shame of it. Thats exactly why I threw my copy away, its not right, bootleggs are fine, because the songs have already been released, and they will almost certainly never be released to the public commercially, so its ok, but studio albums, makes me feel bad
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 4, 2008 13:27:36 GMT -5
i still don't understand why the Japanese get an extra track and the UK fans don't. Makes no sense!
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Post by envirochic on Feb 4, 2008 17:14:21 GMT -5
i still don't understand why the Japanese get an extra track and the UK fans don't. Makes no sense! Basically with albums that are released in japan an extra track is added BECAUSE they pay about an average of $50 U.S Dollars per album compared to the UK or the US, generally that is why japanese releases have an extra track or two. The extra tracks can be usually found in album singles. I have bought every Oasis album, single, dvd, etc.... I think most true fans do buy the official releases even though they might get an early listen before releases! I say as long as you support Oasis by buying their official releases its cool! And if you cant find a specific song cause your in another country its cool to download or ask for a song! IMO ;D
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Post by ToneBender on Feb 4, 2008 18:42:36 GMT -5
How is downloading something not officially released hurting those people? In your case, it probably won't hurt. However, the people that justify downloading albums by bands that are loaded with money still hurts a lot of people. REmember, it's the big releases by Coldplay, Oasis, LZ reissues, U2, etc. that help pay for the little bands on the little subsidiary "indie label" that your favorite band may reside on. They also help pay to keep the studios afloat where these albums are made and to employ the artists that design the artwork and studios. They also help finance world tours that pay for guys not as successful as Jason Rhodes to replace strings on guitars and lug amps around all day. Sorry, end of "I'm angry with the state of the music industry" rant.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 4, 2008 20:48:59 GMT -5
The problem is a bad business model that couldn't last forever anyway. The music industry has been giving us 10% amazing and 90% grossly overpriced shit for decades, but up until just a few years ago you were stuck having to live with it. Hopefully that one song you liked was on a single otherwise you wasted $15 on an album with 1 or 2 good songs and 8 pieces of shit. Imagine if every time you went to McDonald's 9 out of 10 fries tasted like sour frog ass. Would you want to keep coming back? What if you just had to have this one fry and begged McDonald's to sell you just that one, but they said fuck you you have to buy a large fries and eat all the shit as well. In 1999 people suddenly didn't have to put up with that shit anymore and here we are, free downloading is rampant but now a few years later and offical downloading sites like iTunes are selling individual songs by the gajillion! It can be fixed, they need to stop force feeding the shit upon the masses! But again, just so we're clear - I buy good music every chance I get but ya I also like to download live/acoustic unreleased stuff. I have given my hard earned money over to plenty of bands. edit - In fact - here is my oasis singles box collection that I put together to house all the singles from them -
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Post by ToneBender on Feb 5, 2008 7:47:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's a question of the labels releasing 90% crap. I think people just couldn't be half assed doing a little research. That's what music journalists are for. That's what your friends recommendations are for. That's what listening stations in record shops are for. Hell, that's what libraries are for. People are just greedy and want to steal will use whatever justification they can. I've probably bought more CDs in my life the past 6 months and have liked almost all of it because it was either on a friend's recommendation or because I read a review beforehand. Grossly overpriced? I call BS on that. Most books that aren't beach-read paperbacks cost more than $15. A movie at a theater costs you anywhere from $8.50 to 11.50 in most cities in the US and you only get to see those once. $16.99 for a CD that you get to own and listen to however many times you like? I suppose it's all relative to what you value but really, if you love music, $16.99 (the high end of prices at most places now) is not that bad. Plus, iTunes sounds like turd. The bottom line is that there's a broken system on both sides. The label doesn't want to accept the consumer's reality that they can get it whether they want to pay for it or not. Rather than lower prices or add incentive, the labels just stood indignant until recently. Conversely, the consumer doesn't want to accept the reality that people deserve to be paid for their hard work. If someone is willing to pay $9.99 for inferior mp3s but not willing to pay $15.99 for a superior sounding CD, artwork, packaging, etc. it reflects more poorly on them than it does the industry. The average entry level job in the US pays about $15/hr (30k/yr). So that means someone's willing to give up 40 minutes of the fruits of their labor but not an additional 20? Gimme a break. Just because a CD-R costs 10 cents and an mp3 is negligible in cost does not mean that all CDs should be cheaper in the shops.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 5, 2008 21:38:42 GMT -5
lol dude you need to learn about capitalism. The market sets the price and ya for years people were willing to spend a lot of money on music because there was no alternative choices. But now there is an alternative choice so the players in the industry have to adjust or die.
Sure movies cost a lot and a lot of people go to them, but think how many people go to the $1 cinema? What about Blockbuster? $3.99 to rent and maybe 6 or 7 people watching it is a hell of a lot less than the $50 or so it would have taken to go to see it on opening night. Get the idea?
And as far as people getting paid for thier hard work, everyone agrees with that, but having a free market means if you can buy that same hard work at a cheaper price elsewhere that's what you do. Is it fair? No way, but that's just how it goes.
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Post by ToneBender on Feb 6, 2008 9:06:01 GMT -5
"Get the idea?" Yeah, thanks for the condescension. I'll bring the thread to an end because I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to stop myself for about 20 pages with the good and bad of the MP3 and how it's affected the art and the economy of the industry. To boot, we've gone borderline off topic. It's been a while since I sat through a stupifyingly boring lecture in school so the basics tenants of economics were obviously lost on me. I notice far too often that whenever someone rails against the evils of capitalism and it's affect on an industry or a population there's an assumption that a lesson is needed and the person is incapable of grasping the basic notion of supply versus demand. Tell ya what, I principally disagree with sweat shops and the effect they've had on lowering prices for sweaters and jeans from the Banana Republic and Gap. Paying 5 year olds 10 cents a day just won't do it for me anymore. Can I have a lesson please?!?! Are you telling me the bottom line matters MORE than ethics? ;D
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Feb 7, 2008 18:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Feb 9, 2008 7:07:14 GMT -5
Everybody should watch the documentary, "Before The Music Dies".
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Post by lionsden® on Feb 10, 2008 15:55:32 GMT -5
yo man will you upload I Can See It Now and pm me a link to it? sorry, I don't have the track, in a feeling of guilt I destroyed the CD and bought it legit, but you could ask someone else, I'm sorry. Yeah...Right...
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Feb 14, 2008 19:49:55 GMT -5
sorry, I don't have the track, in a feeling of guilt I destroyed the CD and bought it legit, but you could ask someone else, I'm sorry. Yeah...Right... Lions' some ppl are actually honest.
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