herecomesthenice
Oasis Roadie
Faith in any god will only bury us all... have faith in what you've got and it will carry us all.
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Post by herecomesthenice on Nov 28, 2006 10:30:19 GMT -5
Billboard hasn't updated yet. I was wondering if anyone knows where Stop The Clocks debuted in the U.S.? Anywhere in the top 20 would be a huge early success, but everyone knows it will leave the top 75 after the first week! Considering the competition- U2, Beatles, Jay-z, a lot of country, I can't see it doing huge numbers last week. Plus, Target, Walmart, and the other department stores allegedly arent carrying it yet.
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Post by Spider on Nov 28, 2006 11:32:20 GMT -5
How big are Oasis in the US these days? All I know is they didn't do themselves any favours after the shambles of their US tour years ago. Have they been generally forgiven yet?  |
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herecomesthenice
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Post by herecomesthenice on Nov 28, 2006 13:04:27 GMT -5
They're big amongst music fans, but not the general record buying teenagers these days. In America, once you are no longer on MTV or hit the age of 30, you are no longer fashionable. I think Oasis's biggest downfall was the time spent between records. In America, the memory of the record buyer is very short, so waiting as long as they did after Be Here Now to put out SOTSOG probably put them in a situation that will forever be difficult to remedy. Remember, Be Here Now debuted at #2 in America!
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Nov 28, 2006 13:54:18 GMT -5
Most 'casual' fans in the U.S. wanted the Beatlesque sound of Morning Glory. They rushed out to get BHN en mass and almost beat out Poof Duddy but did get to #2. After BHN wasn't exactly to a lot of the 'casual' fans liking in fell fast in the charts but did go Platinum (1 million sold in U.S.).
They then went 2 1/2 years to release SOTSOG and without ANY radio hits (GLIO barely cracked alternative hits) they were almost forgotten except die hards (like me!!).
I think STC may break top 50 debut, then will slip away. Some internet promotions and MTV2 did a bit with Noel on and some videos......plus the Rolling Stone article about Oasis vs. Beatles. Any press is good press right?
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Post by bwilder on Nov 28, 2006 17:50:44 GMT -5
Oasis are becoming more and more popular and respected in the U.S. as the years go by. People (sadly or maybe not) are just discovering songs from the Definitely Maybe era now. Also, with all the shit bands out right now, Americans are looking back at the 90's and realizing that Oasis are a great band, whereas back then, they wrote them off because of their perceived arrogance. So, I think Oasis will be bigger 10 years from now than they ae today in the US
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 28, 2006 22:31:22 GMT -5
Stop the clocks is not top50.
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 28, 2006 22:37:49 GMT -5
The problem with oasis in america is they fucked it up big time.
They had the potential to be as big or nearly as big as u2.
reasons
-Mtv awards performence
-canceled tours
-Mtv Unplugged (liam not performing)
-Americans didn't get Liam and Noels arrogance.
-Noel and liam didn't give a fuck about america so in return the record label did the same. As a result promo has been very poor.
though they do have a hardcore base which will always allow them to come over and tour.
but yeah they have sold nearly 6.5million albums here but it could have been much more if they pulled the right strings.
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Post by StepOut on Nov 28, 2006 22:43:47 GMT -5
The problem with oasis in america is they fucked it up big time. They had the potential to be as big or nearly as big as u2. reasons -Mtv awards performence -canceled tours -Mtv Unplugged (liam not performing) -Americans didn't get Liam and Noels arrogance. -Noel and liam didn't give a fuck about america so in return the record label did the same. As a result promo has been very poor. though they do have a hardcore base which will always allow them to come over and tour. but yeah they have sold nearly 6.5million albums here but it could have been much more if they pulled the right strings. Rubbish. They've just come off their most successful North American tour ever. They've sold out some of the biggest venues on the continent. They're more popular than ever in North America. |
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 28, 2006 23:30:35 GMT -5
in terms of what? though!
album sales!
what you call 192,000 copies sold to be massive?
live dates were big yes but album sales were not.
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Post by StepOut on Nov 28, 2006 23:50:45 GMT -5
Who cares about album sales. A band like Oasis doesn't make their money off of album sales anymore, same goes for U2. Commercial success for these bands have past. Their bread and butter is touring.
I don't think we can keep going back to 1996 and all the mistakes the band made that year. It's been 10 years, how many North Americans actually remember what happened.
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 29, 2006 1:36:33 GMT -5
well i'm sorry then!
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Post by sword on Nov 29, 2006 7:57:59 GMT -5
I've got friends in America who fill me in on all things Oasis. From what i gather is that Oasis have a good hardcore fan base in all the major cities and towns. They are never going to sell millions of records and play stadiums like U2. But they do sell large amounts of records and they do sell out venues. It was only last year that Madison Sqaure Garden sold out in 1 hour. And then there was shows at the Hollywood Bowl, Red Rocks and many other venues. They even toured America again early this year. The best period Oasis ever had in America was around Jan-March 1996. This was a golden era for Oasis in America. Cover of Rolling Stone magazine, cover of Select Magazine, cover of Q and Mojo. 3 x Brit Awards and a No1 UK single with Don't Look Back in Anger. Not to mention a forthcoming gigs at Maine Road. I would go as far as to say Oasis were the biggest band in the world in this period. However come August it all went pear shaped. Turning up with no singer and then cancelling the tour half-way through. They really could of cracked it big time. Anway, you could never accuse Oasis of being 'ass-kissers' to America. ;D  |
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Post by listenup07 on Nov 29, 2006 9:41:23 GMT -5
my mate told me the album went to number 73 in the album chart in america dont know if thats true though
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Post by tadas on Nov 29, 2006 12:20:06 GMT -5
oasis is #89 with 18000 copies sold.  |
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Nov 29, 2006 12:20:41 GMT -5
#89.
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herecomesthenice
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Post by herecomesthenice on Nov 29, 2006 13:06:32 GMT -5
#89 is an absolute disaster. This is like a worst case scenario. It's safe to say Noel is pissed he wasted his time playing those North American shows.
"They've just come off their most successful North American tour ever. They've sold out some of the biggest venues on the continent.
They're more popular than ever in North America."
Wow, man. you gotta get your facts straight. You are way off. Were you alive during Britpop?
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Post by Mad4it on Nov 29, 2006 13:39:14 GMT -5
#89 is an absolute disaster. This is like a worst case scenario. It's safe to say Noel is pissed he wasted his time playing those North American shows. "They've just come off their most successful North American tour ever. They've sold out some of the biggest venues on the continent. They're more popular than ever in North America." Wow, man. you gotta get your facts straight. You are way off. Were you alive during Britpop? this is what i was saying! i mean if they were bigger then ever surely STC would have been top10 or 20!> |
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Nov 29, 2006 16:24:49 GMT -5
DBTT went in at #12. Lyla was NOT a big hit. Oasis just needs a hit if you want them to be big in U.S. I am not sure they will write another hit like 'Wonderwall' again.
Also they only seem to be played on VH1 classic as far as videos or are sometimes featured on 'alternative' radio.
No new songs. Two videos of old songs w/ out them in it (Acquiesce and Masterplan).
Maybe releasing Whatever (very poppy) as a single over here would have helped.
If they wait another 2 years for another album and it is good BUT w/out a big single.........they will now be a nostalgia tour act in the U.S. although die hards will still buy the new records.
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Post by shoofee on Nov 29, 2006 16:35:07 GMT -5
#89 is an absolute disaster. This is like a worst case scenario. It's safe to say Noel is pissed he wasted his time playing those North American shows. "They've just come off their most successful North American tour ever. They've sold out some of the biggest venues on the continent. They're more popular than ever in North America." Wow, man. you gotta get your facts straight. You are way off. Were you alive during Britpop? Its hardly a disaster. Firstly this is a greatest hits set. DBTT did quite well in comparison to SOTSOG and HC. It would be a disaster if Sony had actually done some promotion for this set which they didnt do an ounce of. Secondly, North American shows? lol they did two shows in North America on this acoustic tour. One in Toronto (Which isnt the US) and Los Angeles which was an invite only gig. The only other appearances Noel made were for LDSMD at a screening in New York (no show). Oasis' havent been nearly as popular as they were in 96-98, MG got to #2 and BHN debuted there. While yes the tour was solid, they had a few things going for them Firstly MSG, just about ANY band with a reputation can sell out the Garden these days. Its not an incredible feat. In other areas they had JET with them who are shit IMO but an argument can be made that they helped sell some tickets as well. Its not a disaster when the record company put absolutely no effort into a hits compilations promotion and other than Oasis' fanbase (who most likely own all of the albums already) dont really have a foothold in this country to begin with. |
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Post by ToneBender on Nov 29, 2006 20:35:29 GMT -5
What are you so upset about? It'll be a slow burner. Even huge fans on this site haven't bought STC yet. There was little promo for it, and as people start doing more holiday shopping, it'll sell. I'd imagine it'll top off at about 75-100k maybe. I don't see how Noel could be upset since he's getting royalties one way or the other. Since the album didn't cost much in the way of production (mastering, artwork, etc) the band will make money back much faster than if they were paying off $500k worth of studio costs.
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Post by StepOut on Nov 29, 2006 21:51:53 GMT -5
#89 is an absolute disaster. This is like a worst case scenario. It's safe to say Noel is pissed he wasted his time playing those North American shows. "They've just come off their most successful North American tour ever. They've sold out some of the biggest venues on the continent. They're more popular than ever in North America." Wow, man. you gotta get your facts straight. You are way off. Were you alive during Britpop? Why would someone go out and buy this best of if they already have all the albums? |
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Post by bluecorn on Dec 1, 2006 5:10:46 GMT -5
yes, buying stop the clocks seems like a damn ridiculous thing to do
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Dec 1, 2006 13:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by vespa on Dec 6, 2006 12:30:46 GMT -5
whoever says oasis arent popular in the states is talkin shit.there last tour was there biggest ever over there with around 200 000 tickets sold.this was not because of jeteither the fact is the tour was well promoted and people knew about it.with record sales its a totally different matter as there albums aint promoted at all any more an i take it the band fell out with the record label a few years ago around the be here now era.if they were promoted which i think a new label will then the sales will soar.its just a case of getting a single played aswell,i mean look at it like this the last 3 albums have sold 700 000 between them on total fanbase and self promotion alone.in the mid 90s they had the songs like wondeerwall which was always gonna be massive but then they blew the crucial tour which the label and americans took to heart and blew them out ,if that had gone ahead and they would have gone mad with the production on bhn then theyw ouldve been fackin huge alot bigger than u2 aswell.bhn stripped down wouldve been a great album but its just fuckin bonkers which i love butu you can see the point wi people.but its comin back and they are back in the critics favour
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Dec 6, 2006 16:50:10 GMT -5
amazing
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