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Post by passmedownthewine on Apr 30, 2006 5:53:09 GMT -5
Got a couple of things to say about the number one issue in Oasis land at the moment: Liam's voice. Here goes!
His voice has markedly changed over the years. Especially live. It is a lot rougher and far less melodic then it was during the DM, Morning Glory years. I think they're a couple of reasons for this.
1 I don't think he liked the sound of his voice in the early days. Don't know why, I thought (and think) it's the greatest rock voice of all time. I reckon Liam thought is was a little to nice, a little too mannered. His voice has become more like Liam is as a person - no nonsense, edgy, hard. I heard Oasis music before I heard about them and saw what they looked like. I remember thinking 'How can such a rough, cool, edgy fucker sound so clear when he sings?' Wouldn't think that now.
2 Liam is always complaining about his monitors. For good reason. I'll bet he can hardly hear himself out there. With that, there is a tendancy to over sing, to really throw yourself at the tune (which he most certainly does). Have a listen to his version of 'Songbird' on BBC Radio and at Glastonbury festival. Note perfect. Not too gravelly. The reason? He can hear himself! Sack the sound men and give him a better chance at knowing his place in the music.
3 Drugs and alcohol are of course factors.
4 He has a naturally loud voice. Therefore, he is hung out to dry by the sound men. 'They'll be able to hear him' would be the attitude as they set up the monitors and mikes low. Well, we can, but Liam can't.
I think he's got the best voice in music. Still. How's the vocal on 'Born on a different cloud?' Man. 'Stop Crying your heart out,' pop idol type song, utterly kicked into life by the man. 'Lyla' vocal? Dangerous, edgy, exciting. He fuckin' pile drives that. Yeah, people say that you can do anything with a voie in the studio? Rubbish. He's got the best voice out there and, if properly recorded and mixed, this will become apparent to all of us.
Thoughts people? Serious discussion here. Liam's voice is Oasis. Fact. The whole thing loses it's edge without him.
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Post by Clint on Apr 30, 2006 6:15:39 GMT -5
his vocal cords are damaged. He's lost a lot of range. It's gruffer, it goes out of key easier. He doesn't ahve as much control
Him maturing didn't do it. Maturing changes it naturally. (Look at how lennons, mccartney's, etc changed). I don't even think the smoking did it as much (although it didnt help)
it was how he sang. He just pushed all of the air out with his neck in that position he does. That put unneccesary strain on his vocal cords and ruined them.
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Post by wankinginthebushes on Apr 30, 2006 6:30:27 GMT -5
I read somewhere that it was his stance that has fooked up his vocal chords. Hes been straining them too much standing the way he does.
Personally, his best ever sound was Be Here Now era. Listen to GMEX 97, sounds better than the album
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Post by djlen74 on Apr 30, 2006 14:28:19 GMT -5
I'll agree with passmedownthewine on ONE thing---and I was telling my wife this just the other day... His vocals on Songbird live, are , SPOT ON EVERYTIME, EVERY GIG. No matter how good/bad his vocals are at a particular show, he sings Songbird EXACTLY like the record every single time.
As for putting life into SCYHO... um... hate to break it to you but he absolutely MURDERS that one live. That's why they dropped it from the set not long after this tour started! Noel must've been like, "No way..."
Can't be the drugs, can it? I mean look at Mick Jagger... With all of the crap he has put into his body his voice hasn't changed much over the years... And he's damn near 70 years old.
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Post by passmedownthewine on Apr 30, 2006 20:34:05 GMT -5
Actually you're right re SCYHO live. He butchers it. The Glastonbury version is unlistenable.
Why does he nail Songbird every time? It's a pretty easy song to sing, but if he can get that why can't he 'hit the spot' on the majority of the other tunes?
Heard Guess God thinks I'm able. Unplugged in Germany. Pretty much spot on.
Strange. Really bothers me as the band are getting better but the vocals are wildly uneven. It varies from song to song on live recordings.
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Post by meaningofsoul on Apr 30, 2006 23:35:42 GMT -5
And yet another...Liam's voice thread...
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Post by SlideAway on May 1, 2006 14:46:46 GMT -5
Truth be told, I think that Liam's voice will be ultimately what ends Oasis. I reckon they've got 2 or 3 more albums in them (although I think if they can't match the quality of at least DBTT, they should call it quits), but the problem isn't so much how Liam sounds on record but how he sounds live. He's able to sing pretty well in the studio, but his live performances are really uneven, and there's gonna come a point within a few years where he just isn't going to be able to sing live anymore.
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Post by wolffman on May 1, 2006 15:40:27 GMT -5
This is kinda off topic for this thread, but does anyone know why Liam uses the singing pose he does? I've never seen it anywhere else in my life.
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Post by madferit84 on May 2, 2006 7:48:14 GMT -5
he copied damon albarn from blur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 2, 2006 9:01:45 GMT -5
He needs to think about what he is capable of now and adjust his singing style for new material. Live it's not much of an issue but if Oasis are gonna carry on another 10 years he's got to really consider his approach, so that it doesn't begin to affect studio performance as well as live performance.
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Post by brumoscardo on May 2, 2006 9:46:23 GMT -5
I got used to Liam's new voice actually. Sounding fine to me.
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Post by dearprudence on May 2, 2006 14:09:30 GMT -5
I love his voice on record, i think that in DBTT he sings great.
He seems to struggle live, mainly at the end of tours,, but anyway tha band is fucking gr8, and liam is the coolest fker in the Planet..
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on May 2, 2006 15:18:42 GMT -5
Prudence you are right about the end of tours thing. When I listen to the Nashville boot, the sound is a decent recording but Liam's voice is straining and he seems to compensate by mumbling and screaming lyrics very short.
I then went and listened to the Detroit gig from June '05 (I think the first or second gig from the first of three legs of the U.S. tour), and although the sound quality of the recording is amatuer and no where near the Nashville gigs sound from March '06, Liams voice is amazingly more melodic and he seems to be singing and not straining.
When I saw them in Atlanta in September '05, it sounded great and this was after about a 5 day rest b/c the original Houston show had been cancelled b/c of a Hurricane jsut days before.
So it's good to say that Liams voice needs rest (which may mean fewer concerts) and that if the do record a new live CD, they need to do it early on in a tour.
Seriously, Liams Voice for (Detroit '05) vs(Nashville '06) were totaly different but less than a year apart so he hadn't aged that much.
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Post by leib1 on May 3, 2006 10:12:04 GMT -5
I agree w/ the the gmex analysis, his voice was on top form. I have this teeth being knocked out theory which I have mentioned before that since that incident he has not been the same. He doesnt annunciate or elongate the words anymore and definately floats in and out of key. I just cant believe a band the size of Oasis has sound problems every show? I saw them at MSG and he was basically ok apart from a deplorable Lyla but I saw them later in the year in San Diego and it was Appalling how bad he sounded. This was not a question of a rogher ,gravelly voic but someone clearly struggling to sing.
Unfortunately, I think the only solution is fewer and more spaced apart shows to give his voice adequate rest. Also adjusting the set list would help, they have to recognize that He isnt a spring chicken anymore and he has to pace himself.
As un Rock n Roll as this seems the full throttle vocals that are required for most Oasis tracks apart from songbird, cant be belted out with the same velocity as compared to when he was younger.
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Post by liamholland on May 3, 2006 14:38:03 GMT -5
wolffman, its cause liam gets more power out when he stands like this, and he feels uncomfortable holdin a mic, first oasis shows and tv appearances he holds the mic (def.maybe dvd 'supersonic' 'BIOD') but he feels really uncomfortable with that
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Post by liamholland on May 3, 2006 14:46:22 GMT -5
i agree with leib1, oasis should plan 1 show 1 day off 1 show 1 day off to give liam's voice a rest, although in a'dam he sounded really amazing and the day before they played in dusseldorf, i was very worried bout liams voice cause glastonbury 2004 was ehhm not that good. but i was at the 3fm acoustic showcase and he sounded amazing, so i think the main factor 'bout liam soundin bad is days off
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Post by jayt69 on May 3, 2006 15:06:06 GMT -5
Umm well, surely the band must know, but there might be an issue about Liam admitting it himself. Surely the logical thing would be to tune the guitars down a fret or 2 to make it easier for him?? any thoughts??  |
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Post by slacks3 on May 4, 2006 1:16:19 GMT -5
I hadn't heard Liam's voice live since '96...Before going to a gig in sept '05 I was expecting Liam's voice to be awful after reading over and over how bad his voice had become.....Well I thought his voice sounded great...far better than I had expected. There is a change in his voice...deeper and a little short winded. However most posts on here make it appear as if Liam sounds like some karaoke singer, when in fact he still sounds very good live...just not like the greatest vocalist as he was in the mid 90's.
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Post by rdwng30 on May 9, 2006 18:52:39 GMT -5
anyone notice that he doesn't pronounce the m's right, during lyla instead of "blow me out my mind" it sounds like "blow we out wy wiiind" probable from the teeth, but if it affects that then it must affect other parts of his singing too
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Post by leib1 on May 10, 2006 19:24:34 GMT -5
Good call, I think it does affect other parts of his singing. He doesnt annunciate the way he used to. It has to be the teeth!!!
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Post by Clint on May 11, 2006 14:44:55 GMT -5
gmex has AMAZING vocals. I wish he just sung like that on the record without any remastering
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Post by fourbigwatts on May 31, 2006 23:40:04 GMT -5
Liam used to sing from the throat. which sounded great at the time but, singing like that and trying to compete with Noel's amp volume over time will shred a voice pretty quickly and permanently.
not to mention cigs and cocaine. coke goes up the nose and down the throat. it numbs the vocal chords just like it does the nose and face. singing on numb vocal chords are bad. if he was doing all these shows railed up he probably wouldn't be able to feel any strain or damage to his voice at the time.
i think he has had some singing lessons because now he sings from his diaphragm.( a "proper" technique to take strain from the vocal chords)
rest and cutting out the drugs (at least on tour) are the only things gonna help shows now but, i bet he'll be fine for recording records. he can sing one line of a song a day in the studio if he needs to.
just my two cents.
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Post by gazplayford on Jun 1, 2006 3:56:51 GMT -5
i dont think like the tone and that of his voice has changed much since say wembly 200 (the first night ha) when he sounded amazing, i thought then his voice suited the band as they are now the best
yeah g mex is amazing an all that but i feel like that stage of oasis is over
i have noticed tho that he almost NEVER sings cigarettes and alcohol, he screams all the way through which is a shame and he wasnt doin that even like 2 or 3 years ago.
they downtuned their guitars for some might say on the HC tour but dunno if they could do that too much, he needs more rest and some lessons or something, remember how he sounded on that tsunami aid thing on the radio when everyone thought hed just had lessons, his voice was still the same but just much clearer and less growly and strainy
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Post by Clint on Jun 2, 2006 11:09:38 GMT -5
coke's a shit drug. Liam could have been a proper acid head
EDIT: and yeah, the tsunami shit was amazing. I thought he'd got it back.
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Post by fourbigwatts on Jun 8, 2006 13:01:29 GMT -5
what's this tsunami aid thing? sounds like i need to get it.
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