ev
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Post by ev on Jun 19, 2006 17:10:13 GMT -5
Liam's voice will always be great in quieter settings, or recording a record. YOu guys try to compete with all the oasis noise and loudness while getting that classic liam cringe. It hard to do on a consistent basis. True his voice isn't what it used to be, but on the other hand the boston preformance was very very good. He's just not the most consistant... Lyla sounded great at my show in Vancouver, but it's sounded terrible alot too. Stop Crying Your Heart Out sounded good at someshows, and terrible at others... I would like to hear him sing it again and prove us wrong.. because personally i don't think it's THAT hard of a song to sing, and he's shown that he can hit high notes in the past.
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Post by Shakermaker on Jun 20, 2006 4:38:36 GMT -5
Liam had so sing for almost a year touring on the DBTT tour. No wonder that a voice get fucked after such a while. Noels voice would be the same as well after such a long while of singing as much as Liam needs to. Liam needs to have breaks to let his voice cure from the hard work.
In the beginning of the DBTT tour his voice was great, remember the the tsunami aid thing ? or the late show doing GGTIA acousticly (check out youtube.com) ? That was cos he had his voice back. Liam now needs to rest he's voice and start to record again on the end of the year.... he would have he;s voice back then i guess.... ow and quiting alcohol cigs and drugs help his voice as well ... He already had become fitter by working out, means his lung content become bigger .... It's gonna be okay with Liams voice, he only needs to get the change to let it rest for a while, and having some proper lessons.
I believe h can get that voice back he had on BHN and SOTSOG ...
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Post by Clint on Jun 20, 2006 18:49:04 GMT -5
Guys, his voice is fucked over because he put too much strain on it when singing. He didn't sing correctly. The coke booze and cigs don't help either, but they were the cause.
Look at all of the beatles. They sang their asses off all of the time, and Paul still sounds fantastic. So do a lot of older musicians.
The BHN voice is gone forever. The SOSOG is when it started to sound like it does now, so I think he could obtain that.
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Post by queenoasis on Jun 21, 2006 16:57:35 GMT -5
Truth be told, I think that Liam's voice will be ultimately what ends Oasis. I reckon they've got 2 or 3 more albums in them (although I think if they can't match the quality of at least DBTT, they should call it quits), but the problem isn't so much how Liam sounds on record but how he sounds live. He's able to sing pretty well in the studio, but his live performances are really uneven, and there's gonna come a point within a few years where he just isn't going to be able to sing live anymore. I take it that yer a "glass is half empty" kind of person.
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Post by summat31 on Jun 24, 2006 0:40:00 GMT -5
Just my two cents after stumbling across this thread...
He has definitely damaged his vocal chords over the past 10 years. Singing from his throat like that will do it. I think cigarettes are another reason for his vocal changes over the years and could be the most contributing factor. Cigarette smoke affects some people more than others and I think in Liam's case it really affected his voice. He definitely doesn't pace himself either when he sings live. Shouting every song makes it hard to have vocal stamina throughout a 90 minutes show. Someone mentioned how he can sing Songbird live perfectly every time. Well it's pretty simple. He wrote that song. He worked it out to match his singing preference. Noel writes his songs with pretty high vocals so Liam has to strain to reach some parts where Noel can sing them comfortably.
The old days of 94-97 are long gone and will never come back. Thankfully we all have the memories of gigs we've been to and the bootlegs to enjoy still today. What we do have to look forward to is the ever evolving sound of Oasis. I really enjoy DBTT and the two shows on this past tour I went to were a couple of the best ever. Oasis is about energy and flag waving when you see them live. To be honest I couldn't tell you how he sang at either of the Toronto shows on the last tour because me and the rest of the fans were singing so loud! As long as they can pound out the studio albums, they'll still be great and the shows will be enjoyable....Liam just won't sound as pretty as he did 10 years ago. Doesn't bother me one bit :-)
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Post by lyla on Jun 25, 2006 2:26:51 GMT -5
Truth be told, I think that Liam's voice will be ultimately what ends Oasis. I reckon they've got 2 or 3 more albums in them (although I think if they can't match the quality of at least DBTT, they should call it quits), but the problem isn't so much how Liam sounds on record but how he sounds live. He's able to sing pretty well in the studio, but his live performances are really uneven, and there's gonna come a point within a few years where he just isn't going to be able to sing live anymore. i agree. its so weird. im really liking liams songs and he's just turning into a fine songwriter but his voice live is.......sometimes i think it cant be that bad, but there's another thread with a link to an interview noel did in lille - and serisouly, the excerpts of liam singing is painful to listen to. absoultely fucking terrible. so unless they become just a studio band - cos his voice is lovely as ever on DBTT, someone really needs to tell liam his new sound is not working... but you get the impression liam does not appreciate people telling him stuff like that. he does do a few songs well, songbird as previously mentioned and guess god things im able is fantastic live but lots of the old songs just dont feel the same because he sings them so differently. edit: i read more replies and realised i wasnt at, and havent heard many early DBTT tour bootlegs so maybe it is just he needs more of a rest. if that is the case, their managment shoudl realise that and do less gigs. id rather them to a less extensive tour than doing a half arse job
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Post by warren on Jun 25, 2006 11:36:47 GMT -5
Truth be told, I think that Liam's voice will be ultimately what ends Oasis. I reckon they've got 2 or 3 more albums in them (although I think if they can't match the quality of at least DBTT, they should call it quits), but the problem isn't so much how Liam sounds on record but how he sounds live. He's able to sing pretty well in the studio, but his live performances are really uneven, and there's gonna come a point within a few years where he just isn't going to be able to sing live anymore. i agree. its so weird. im really liking liams songs and he's just turning into a fine songwriter but his voice live is.......sometimes i think it cant be that bad, but there's another thread with a link to an interview noel did in lille - and serisouly, the excerpts of liam singing is painful to listen to. absoultely fucking terrible. so unless they become just a studio band - cos his voice is lovely as ever on DBTT, someone really needs to tell liam his new sound is not working... but you get the impression liam does not appreciate people telling him stuff like that. he does do a few songs well, songbird as previously mentioned and guess god things im able is fantastic live but lots of the old songs just dont feel the same because he sings them so differently. I was just gonna post that about the lille interview His voice sounds like shit Hardly even sounds like Liam Sounds like a character from Seasame Street struggling to hit the notes
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Post by rpn101 on Jun 25, 2006 17:57:34 GMT -5
umm well i'll throw another theory in the mixer just to keep this thread going!...live,when liam can actually be bothered and his attitude is right his vocals are still awesome.....he always performs when it comes to the big/important gigs.....the gigs at the start of dbtt weren't classic vocals and i wasnt optimistic for MSG or manchester but he sounded awesome...A Bell Will Ring blew me away at manchester 3rd night...and when liam really cant be arsed, he is lazy and simply doesnt give it his all hence his poor vocals sometimes..i know of course the issue is far more complex than simply liam's attitude but in my opinion its a major factor.
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Post by brumoscardo on Jun 25, 2006 23:32:20 GMT -5
umm well i'll throw another theory in the mixer just to keep this thread going!...live,when liam can actually be bothered and his attitude is right his vocals are still awesome.....he always performs when it comes to the big/important gigs.....the gigs at the start of dbtt weren't classic vocals and i wasnt optimistic for MSG or manchester but he sounded awesome...A Bell Will Ring blew me away at manchester 3rd night...and when liam really cant be arsed, he is lazy and simply doesnt give it his all hence his poor vocals sometimes..i know of course the issue is far more complex than simply liam's attitude but in my opinion its a major factor. I get this feeling too. But we all know that most of the time he's so drunk that can't even get the fonetics of the lyrics right.
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Post by gazplayford on Jun 26, 2006 8:19:26 GMT -5
i think hes voice is usually pretty shite in songbird, on the record it sounds like its in the perfect position for his range, live it always sounds too low for him to sing the notes properly, its never that good
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ev
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Post by ev on Jul 7, 2006 16:33:41 GMT -5
liam can still sing very well after seeing the live performances for lyla and ggtia you gotta believe he can sing everything they've recorded... ggtia is a hard song to sing than Stop Crying Your Heart Out. The only problem is Liam yells the lyrics in concert to combat the noise... like alot of artists (metallicam, foo fighters etc...) he's only 33 for fuck sakes.
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Post by stevecollins on Jul 7, 2006 19:21:15 GMT -5
start of this tour was fucking top notch, thing is a long tour does him in.
singing oasis songs like he does for one night gives me a sore throat so god help him after 12 years.
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Post by koeman4 on Jul 7, 2006 20:16:57 GMT -5
his voice is the worse for ware after all these years,still shit hot but,look at the lead singers of of the popular "bands" right now,they have nothing on liam,nothing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 10:49:20 GMT -5
Personally, i think Oasis is a great live band. Every does there part and Liam does at times. In Boston 2005 he sounded alright but then a week later in Manchester on the 2nd it sounded no where near as good. Right now, becasue ive seen them live a few times, Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam is the best vocalist.
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Post by Liffonmelsmork on Jul 13, 2006 6:58:04 GMT -5
I suppose in the studio you've got plenty of time to get your voice sounding right, you can do as many takes as you like and so on. It probably took a while before Liam got Born On a Different Cloud sounding like a John Lennon song (as if the lyrics weren't obvious enough) and it was helped by the delay-echo thing that John used on his vocals.
When Oasis played Plymouth Pavilions, just twelve days after the Teeth Incident, his voice was awful and couldn't pronounce his Ms as rdwng30 said. Listening to the other Oasis bootlegs from the 2002 tour, up to that point he was sounding good - but you would have thought that when the DBTT tour began three years later, he would have had it sorted out. Some gigs he did, some he didn't.
Actually, who cares, it's Liam Gallagher, I'd be happy enough just to see him stand there and say nothing because he's a legend.
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Post by gazplayford on Jul 13, 2006 10:27:38 GMT -5
Theres a big difference between wembly 2000 (even not on the post production mixing tarting up cd) and 10 years of noize and confusion at Glasgow (5th of a 6 date tour i believe) Im not saying its his fault or that hes not still great or anything its just a shame
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Post by Nazz on Jul 15, 2006 12:40:26 GMT -5
Whoever said Liam's got the best voice must be joking!! (think it was the first post)
It's not a "musical" voice by any stretch of the imagination. Noel is a far better singer than Liam will ever be , no one can doubt that.
The thing with Liam is he's got the look , the image and the attitude and he's voice suits the bands general style. He can belt it out with the best Rockers (maybe??). For egs. I don't think he's a better Rock singer than Axl from Guns and Roses or Robert Plant etc.. There are heaps of other vocalists that would put him to shame.
In regards to losing his voice you'd think that someone with his money , status and experience would hire a vocal coach to teach him how to sing properly. He definitely uses his throat way to much to wrench those notes out and tends to go out of tune every so often.
Whether he alone is the Oasis sound as someone else said is debatable. He's certainly a big element but it's mostly a combination of things that make Oasis what it is. I'd say the order would be something like:
1/ Noel's songs (and now Liam and Gem) 2/ The Chunky Rhythm Guitars 3/ Liams Voice 4/ The look . style , attitude and sound of the band.
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Post by Liffonmelsmork on Jul 15, 2006 12:57:53 GMT -5
Noel is technically the better singer.
It depends how you define a "good singer". If you're looking for someone who is consistently in-tune and has a great range, you'd go with Noel. If you're looking for a very distinctive tone, and a voice with a more interesting "texture" if you will, you'd go for Liam. I think Liam is the better singer meself. He has trademarks ("Sun-she-yine" being the perfect example) and he usually sings in his accent - Noel occasionally sounds American - he especially sounded American at certain times during the last tour.
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Post by Regi on Jul 16, 2006 13:25:49 GMT -5
All I can say is that if any of us roared down a microphone like that for the best part of 10 years then our voices would change as well! You go back to Definitely Maybe and Liam was technically a good singer - he could hit all the notes, even the high ones. Even today when he actually sings he has a decent voice, i'm thinking about some of the acoustic performances he did. When it comes to the gigs he wants to sing to the person at the very back of the venue and these days it comes out as shouting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2006 19:56:58 GMT -5
All I can say is that if any of us roared down a microphone like that for the best part of 10 years then our voices would change as well! You go back to Definitely Maybe and Liam was technically a good singer - he could hit all the notes, even the high ones. Even today when he actually sings he has a decent voice, i'm thinking about some of the acoustic performances he did. When it comes to the gigs he wants to sing to the person at the very back of the venue and these days it comes out as shouting. Eddie Vedder has been screaming longer than liam and probably more since hes in a grunge band, Pearl Jam he has to scream more. And his voice is actually better than what it was in 91. Liam just had too much smoking, and stretching his vocal cords, and other hazards to his vocal chords lead to why its at a low lately.
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Post by gazplayford on Jul 17, 2006 7:26:00 GMT -5
Its all well to say that other people who scream and shit can still do it but first of all people who scream almost never just shout down the mic there is a vague technique to it ie you can scream from the stomach/thoat same as singing And the argument is that Liams closer to screaming than singing, the whole point of screaming is making your voice sound like its fucked, its not a nice natural thing Liam could scream if he wanted to now, sdesnt mean that people who have been screaming for 10 years could SING better than him
And to say that Axel Rose is better at anything than Liam especially singing is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
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Post by wolffman on Jul 17, 2006 20:13:45 GMT -5
Liam's 'singing' is a controlled yell. Thats why its so much more hoarse and he's unable to carry longer notes now. But that yell is what makes Liam himself and Oasis they band they are today, so I have nothing against it.
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Post by jlzoasis on Jul 17, 2006 23:11:24 GMT -5
Liam's 'singing' is a controlled yell. Thats why its so much more hoarse and he's unable to carry longer notes now. But that yell is what makes Liam himself and Oasis they band they are today, so I have nothing against it. I always thought the sneer and beauty of Liam voice made them what they are...he never used to yell... I used to be amazed at Liam the voice, it just came out with ease..now it doesnt, and i truly believe that voice is still there...he just has to stop YELLING!! Its not a question of IF he can still do it, it is how will he do it...
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