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Post by escobarsgold on Jan 15, 2006 15:30:56 GMT -5
First of all this is not one of those stupid I hate America posts, because I would love to see oasis big there again, just an observation of the things i've read. There always seems to be so much, for want of a better word, moaning, from U.S. fans regarding an oasis tour there. From what I can gather even this album has probably sold no more in the U.S. than HC or SOTSOG and half the places they play are 'half empty' so why should the band announce big plans to tour there? If no-one buys the records and about 85% of the shows aren't sell-outs they might as well just play more dates in Canada and New York and start hitting South America more if only from a financial point of view because as much money as they make in Europe or Asia touring they probably lose it all in America, so I guess all i'm saying is this. If no-one buys the records and no-one goes to the shows the fact they even tour there at all is testament to how much the hardcore American fans mean to oasis. ;D
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Post by stomko on Jan 15, 2006 15:58:08 GMT -5
I've been to 7 shows in the states in the past year,
-MSG was a sell out -Boston was a sell out (with a bigger crows then MSG) -Baltimore was a sell out (maybe a few lawn seats remained) -Cleveland sold all there seats with only lawn tic remaining -Philadelphia was a sell out -Across The Narrows had an good crowd considering no-one knew it was happening. -Atlantic City had some balcony tix left because they were close to $100 a pop. -I have tickets to Indy and Nashville which are both sell-outs.
Even Billboard said that Oasis was one of the best selling tours this past summer in the U.S. aside from the huge acts(U2, McCartney, Stones, Coldplay etc.)
No Oasis aren't as big as they were, but they are hardly struggling through a money losing tour. Just because they don't sell out stadiums like other parts of the world doesn't mean they shouldn't tour here. If that's the case almost every other British band should give it up, not to mention all the big american bands who Oasis easily out draw here.
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Post by escobarsgold on Jan 15, 2006 16:08:35 GMT -5
Thanx for replying. I didn't know they were doing so well in the states, good to hear. If that is true then I guess my question should be, how come you never see them on those MTV awards or Grammies shows? I know here in U.K. for some reason the press and T.V. media hate them 'cos they say what they mean instead how great eveybody is, so is it the same in the states? and if so why?
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Post by stomko on Jan 15, 2006 16:36:40 GMT -5
They are not popular in the mainstream sense. But when you look at the acts that get airplay and television time here, most of them don't sell tickets like Oasis. Maroon 5 are one of the biggest bands in the states in terms of album sales and radio spins or Kelly Clarkson who is huge and get tons of press coverage, but they wouldn't be able to sell out MSG. Gwen Stefani sold out MSG but it took her 3 weeks. Oasis did it in under 1 hour.
It's weird how people will say Franz Ferdinand have cracked America yet they haven't played any high profile shows like The Hollywood Bowl or MSG.
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Post by castlecraver on Jan 15, 2006 16:59:06 GMT -5
Thanx for replying. I didn't know they were doing so well in the states, good to hear. If that is true then I guess my question should be, how come you never see them on those MTV awards or Grammies shows? I know here in U.K. for some reason the press and T.V. media hate them 'cos they say what they mean instead how great eveybody is, so is it the same in the states? and if so why? You pretty much hit it right on the head with the media's opinion of Oasis, for every person that loves them (see Toronto Sun article from last spring) theres 4 or 5 that hate them with a passion because of their attitude, and only very thinly veil their criticisms (which could be made stronger about 99% of bands today) about "lack of artistic vision" or whatnot when its actually a little more personal than that. Also, I think American tastes are more suited to flash-in-the-pan acts than the kind of groups that arrive and keep their popularity. I seem to recall Oasis being reasonably big over here around the WTS days, and no one could deny that album was incredible. Then they go slagging off Be Here Now because a whole new grop of pretenders to the britpop throne had arisen and everyone had their new flavor-of-the-month. U2 had an average following in the US until they started getting all sorts of marketing on commercials and appearing in super bowl halftime shows, etc since their last 3 albums have come out (which suck in comparison to their earlier work, IMO, but everyone seems to think they're still brilliant). Coldplay still sells out but mark my words, their next album won't be nearly as well received over here, even if it is better than X&Y (which it ought to be, X&Y is utter shit). Bands like the Stones still pack it in, but their fanbase is generally older and more established. I doubt bands like REM (who headlined isle of wight I think?) would be able to sell out arenas here anymore either. So, in comparison, Oasis is doing relatively well, I think. They've got a base of very devoted fans over here -- fans who are willing to fly to NYC, or drive to Toronto to see their next big show. Award shows in the US are a joke -- when people like Eminem and Britney Spears win Grammys, well, I'd just rather Oasis didn't have a part in that.
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Post by mancityblues on Jan 15, 2006 17:09:23 GMT -5
I can't blame UK fans for wondering why they toured so extensively here. Besides a handful of major cities, some of the shows did not draw well. I think the venues for the upcoming U.S. shows are more appropriate. I'm really pumped for the Ryman show.
The cure-all is to release an album that gets U.S. radio airplay, which is starting to appear as a lost cause, regardless of the quality of the album. I hope I'm wrong on that tho.
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Post by mancityblues on Jan 15, 2006 17:13:03 GMT -5
When you look at the so-called breakthrough bands like Franz Ferdinand (Jet also comes to mind) being unable to fill arenas, it goes to show you that radio is having less and less influence over the public. But like I said before, if Oasis was to release a record that got any kind of consistent airplay, they would definitely be filling big arenas again - all over the U.S. - and not just the biggest cities.
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Post by reeves on Jan 15, 2006 18:25:33 GMT -5
I've been to 7 shows in the states in the past year, -MSG was a sell out -Boston was a sell out (with a bigger crows then MSG) -Baltimore was a sell out (maybe a few lawn seats remained) -Cleveland sold all there seats with only lawn tic remaining -Philadelphia was a sell out -Across The Narrows had an good crowd considering no-one knew it was happening. -Atlantic City had some balcony tix left because they were close to $100 a pop. -I have tickets to Indy and Nashville which are both sell-outs. Don't forget that Detroit was sold out as well, that was a big place, and it was the first show in America of the tour.
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Post by escobarsgold on Jan 15, 2006 18:50:03 GMT -5
:)first off thanx to everyone for replying. Its looking more and more that you just have to get lucky like they did with 'Wonderwall', which is good song but no way there best, and hope it gets picked up. Oh, and I didn't mean to imply oasis shouldn't tour America just that the way things work now its all about the money and,like I said, I thought they were not getting decent crowds and therefore would stop playing there for hardcore fans like yourselves and any new people who only just got into them. Well hope the new record deal gets them better promotion there and some decent music of any kind starts getting its just due.
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Post by StepOut on Jan 15, 2006 19:01:36 GMT -5
Oasis have always done very well in Canada, in terms of concert attendance and album sales. They may not be as commerically successful in the States as they were back in mid 90s, but they're stronger than ever in terms of concert ticket sales. When you're selling out 15,000 seat venues in North America, I think it's a good reason to come back and play when the chance arises.
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Post by queenoasis on Jan 16, 2006 0:13:13 GMT -5
From what I can gather even this album has probably sold no more in the U.S. than HC or SOTSOG and half the places they play are 'half empty' so why should the band announce big plans to tour there? I don't recall (maybe someone can help me here) where I read this but apparently, DBTT sold better in the U.S than Definitely Maybe & WTSMG combined (U.S sales wise). The only NYC gig that OASIS didn't sell out was the Across The Narrows festival. Not OASIS' fault since the event was horribly promoted. New York loves OASIS.
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Post by wolffman on Jan 16, 2006 0:35:46 GMT -5
Part of the problem is that Oasis isn't 'hard' enough to be on rock radio station, old enough to be on classic rock stations, and not poppy or popular enough to be on pop stations. That is the case in the US, but not in Canada, I'm pretty sure most rock stations play them, at least the Toronto Edge does a lot.
Guys, honestly, music is SO SHITTY in America right now I'm not even sure I'd want Oasis to be that big. Think about it, the biggest acts are Fall Out Boy, Coheed and Cambria, System of a Down, My Chemichal Romance... all complete shit. As far as I'm concerned, most 'hard' rock stations (like the Edge in Buffalo) can fuck themselves for playing horrible, and I mean horrible, music like those bands but are too 'tough' for Oasis.
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Post by MSprague01 on Jan 16, 2006 0:41:49 GMT -5
I don't recall (maybe someone can help me here) where I read this but apparently, DBTT sold better in the U.S than Definitely Maybe & WTSMG combined (U.S sales wise). That isn't true. WTSMG alone has sold over four million copies in the U.S., and I know that DBTT hasn't sold a million copies here.
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Post by queenoasis on Jan 16, 2006 1:13:55 GMT -5
That isn't true. WTSMG alone has sold over four million copies in the U.S., and I know that DBTT hasn't sold a million copies here. Could it be worldwide sales then? I know I read this somewhere!!!
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Post by Mad4it on Jan 16, 2006 3:27:57 GMT -5
That isn't true. WTSMG alone has sold over four million copies in the U.S., and I know that DBTT hasn't sold a million copies here. Could it be worldwide sales then? I know I read this somewhere!!! maybe they are referring to first week sales!?as Definitely maybe debuted at #163,and morning glory debuted at #72 in the first week sales. DBTT Debuted at #12 with 65,000copies sold in the first week of release. obviously both MG and DM out sold DBTT in the long run both climbed the US billboard charts.DM going platinum and MG going 4xplatinum
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Post by Clint on Jan 16, 2006 9:41:36 GMT -5
I just want to say this:
Guys it doesn't matter that Oasis aren't big in the mainstream sense.
Honestly, fuck the mainstream. Before the mainstream had honest acts (not that there wasn't materialized acts created by record comapnies to make profit. And not that record companies still didn't fuck artists over). But nowadays, most of what's mainstream is absolute shit. Capitalism has seeded too far into the music industry and made it a tough place for bands to grow.
It doesn't lie on your talent anymore. It lies on a bunch of other bullshit. Right now what's big is emo shit. Record companies spend millions on research finding what sells. Then they sign every shit act they can-- just to make a penny off of them. Right now what's also big is anything gangsta.
Oasis aren't either. Oasis are just a proper rock band interested in making music. It's sad that those bands don't have the mass appeal that they use to have. It's sad that bands aren't judged on how good their music is anymore.
But whatever, I'm not falling victim to that shit. I know what's good and I know what's bad. Fuck anybody who doesn't like Oasis. They can listen to their 50 cent.
Honestly, I don't want Oasis to be big in the mainstream sense. They already have been exploited a lot because of Sony (doing a bunch of shit they didn't want to). I wouldn't want that to happen to them any further. They are all about the music, and that's how it should stay.
All that matters is that Definitely Maybe rocks my world, and always will. For those who haven't got to experience it, well, they've always been free not to conform to listen to whatever else is big.
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Post by LuckyJim on Jan 16, 2006 9:52:09 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, Fenster. I'm a Yank, but I'm always surprised — pleasantly so — when I hear Oasis is coming around again, and they're playing what must be considered secondary markets by most bands' standards. By that, I mean Oasis play beyond the half dozen or so major metropolitan areas that most UK bands seem to hit — NY, Boston, Washington DC area, Chicago, San Fran, LA, and maybe, just maybe, Detroit, Seattle, and/or Minneapolis (sp?). They sometimes throw in somewhere in Texas, too.
I've always thought that Oasis success in the US (especially in the WtS, MG days) was in some part due to the fact that they toured here quite a lot, even before they were mega-famous here. And they played places like Indianapolis (where I've seen them and will see them again), Cleveland, Cinncinnatti, Philly, etc. even back then. We all know that they don't sell many records here anymore, but they keep coming back, which is why their public profile in the US, diminished though it is, is much better than a lot of other good UK acts that have been around as long or longer, like Supergrass, Ash or the Charlatans. Oasis really has put in the work.
But to be realistic, Oasis would not keep coming back to the US to tour if they weren't making money at it, so I think we have to assume that they're making money at touring here. How? I don't know. But there ya go…
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Post by queenoasis on Jan 16, 2006 14:13:03 GMT -5
maybe they are referring to first week sales!?as Definitely maybe debuted at #163,and morning glory debuted at #72 in the first week sales. DBTT Debuted at #12 with 65,000copies sold in the first week of release. Ah! Most likely! Thanks luv.
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Post by vespa on Jan 16, 2006 16:25:48 GMT -5
oasis have just played there most successful tour in america and the album has done 203,000 copies so it aint done too badly.sales will go up tho when they get a new deal as the promotion will massive.they prob couldve played a bigger tour back in the be here now days but if ya remember they played with u2 that year alot.so this on paper has been there biggest tour.and too right theyve worked hardbefore morning glory theyd been to the states around 5 times so the boys have never really given up.but this year theyve played to around 100 000 over there so it aint bad.all will come right with the next album
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Post by stomko on Jan 16, 2006 17:30:00 GMT -5
I believe they only played with U2 at the Oakland stop of the Popmart tour a few months before BHN was released. Be Here Now had a big stop in Vancouver with a crowd of 10,000 plus at GM PLace. So I'm sure they hit other big venues on that tour in N.A.
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Post by slacks3 on Jan 17, 2006 0:46:33 GMT -5
How many shows have you been to where it seems the entire crowd knows the words to every song. Only Oasis for me. Over the years I've been to sell outs for big acts like Aerosmith...Pearl Jam...Depeche Mode...Alan Jackson...etc. But I have never seen a crowd as into a concert as the Oasis show I went to this past year.
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Post by seven29pompeyfc on Jan 18, 2006 10:32:11 GMT -5
Guys, honestly, music is SO SHITTY in America right now I'm not even sure I'd want Oasis to be that big. Think about it, the biggest acts are Fall Out Boy, Coheed and Cambria, System of a Down, My Chemichal Romance... all complete shit. As far as I'm concerned, most 'hard' rock stations (like the Edge in Buffalo) can fuck themselves for playing horrible, and I mean horrible, music like those bands but are too 'tough' for Oasis. The irony there is that the frontman of My Chemical Romance was heavily influenced by Oasis (doesn't stop them being shit IMO) and has gone on record saying that WTS(MG)? is one of his favourite albums.
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Post by queenoasis on Jan 19, 2006 11:38:26 GMT -5
The irony there is that the frontman of My Chemical Romance was heavily influenced by Oasis (doesn't stop them being shit IMO) and has gone on record saying that WTS(MG)? is one of his favourite albums. I read that interview...He says he listens to WTSMG on a daily basis. Makes him more likable in my opinion.
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Post by 9mets on Jan 24, 2006 0:05:09 GMT -5
Guys, honestly, music is SO SHITTY in America right now I'm not even sure I'd want Oasis to be that big. Think about it, the biggest acts are Fall Out Boy, Coheed and Cambria, System of a Down, My Chemichal Romance... all complete shit. As far as I'm concerned, most 'hard' rock stations (like the Edge in Buffalo) can fuck themselves for playing horrible, and I mean horrible, music like those bands but are too 'tough' for Oasis. I totally agree with this statement. Music in the U.S. is crap right now and I think I prefer Oasis having more of a hardcore fan base here than a mainstream following. I've been to three shows on this tour in the U.S. and the crowds were diehard fans who appreciated the music, not 16-year-olds looking for the flavor of the month or the latest American Idol garbage or the always putrid Nickelback. Funny thing is, I dragged friends to two of those shows who knew nothing more than Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova. They both left the shows saying they had been converted to Oasis fans. It doesn't take much to open people's eyes (and ears) to how good this band is. It's just there hasn't been a promotional push to do so and quite frankly, that's fine by me.
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