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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 20:22:31 GMT -5
as i think back of all the gigs ive seen , and ive seen them since the start , the difference between the gigs now and then is apparent..TO ME they dont seem to be having as much fun ...gem and andy are tops but they are very technical and while that leads to gigs sounding great it also leads to a rather dull stage precense..i know OASIS were never theatrical but back in the day i saw them with bonehead and guigs there seemed to be more of a loose atmoshere onstage that the crowd could feel...TODAY LIAM AND NOEL DONT SHARE A MICH AT ALL there is no shoulder to shoulder like in "stand by me" saturday when they played GGTIA it would have been so cool if they stood shoulder to shoulder and sang how noone could break them if they tried , u know wat i mean?...back when i saw them in knebworth ,earls court ,maine rd, ect ect..they really seemed to be a band that had fun with each other..now there is a distance that seems to take the fun out of it for them...and its not time ..mick and keith still interact onstage like the glimmer twins of old and lord knows they have had legendary bust ups...this is not a critiicism,just a observation THE GIGS IN MANC WERE BRILLIANT  ..I JUST WISH THEY HAD AS MUCH FUN AS WE DID..IN THE PAST IT LOOKED THAT WAY NOW IT LOOKS AS IF THEY ARE PUNCHIN A CLOCK |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 20:45:14 GMT -5
after reading what LIAM said about NOELS daughter i see why the joy is gone  ..i didnt know about this til just now reading it in the forum,,that was a low blow i understand now why NOEL seems distant |
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Post by queenoasis on Jul 5, 2005 21:00:04 GMT -5
after reading what LIAM said about NOELS daughter i see why the joy is gone ..i didnt know about this til just now reading it in the forum,,that was a low blow i understand now why NOEL seems distant What exactly did Liam say?? Is this what Noel was referring to in an interview he did with (was it MOJO or NME) from this year? He said something about Liam saying some really horrid shite and eversince then, it hasn't been the same between em. I agree with ur original post Kalas. My first Oasis gig was Jones Beach 1996 so I had the pleasure of seeing em with Guigsy and Bonehead. The earlier shows do seem to be more fun. Now, u hardly see any interaction between Noel and Liam onstage (they barely spoke at MSG). Its this odd negative energy u get from them onstage that definitely was not there in the mid-90's. Don't get me wrong though...They still rock my world everytime...Its just a more pre-programmed kind of fun because after all these years of seeing em in concert, u have this mindset on enjoying yourself. |
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Post by stomko on Jul 5, 2005 22:24:03 GMT -5
I have to say I like the way the band are playing off eachother this time around. I to have seen all of the Oasis lineups. I'm loving the way Noel, Gem and Andy crowd around Zak at the drum kit to jam and close out songs. Liam is as cocky as ever. Things are fine by me. I've never expected a highly energized Oasis show. The crowd going nuts is enough for me.  |
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Post by queenoasis on Jul 5, 2005 22:40:54 GMT -5
Awesome pic of u and Liam! Where/When was this? BTW, That must be gayest man-bag ever! I've seen a pic of Liam with this girl I know and he had one of those over-the-shoulder-man-bags. And I thought that was gay! This one tops it! ;D
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Jul 6, 2005 6:16:42 GMT -5
i can only judge from few concerts that i've been to but when taking some video taped bootlegs into account you, kalas, might be generally right. it's not that they're not animated, noel sometimes gets a crack out of his playing but a lot of agression and interaction has gone throughout the years.
but this wont decrease my passion for the music and the gigs at all...theyre a different band now. the focus is on pure coolness and delivering the songs as clean as possible.
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Post by Elias on Jul 6, 2005 6:17:12 GMT -5
I think it's just cos they are getting older and have been around for a while. The novelty of being on stage with your mates after being on the dole will have worn off with time and chages of line up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 7:09:06 GMT -5
i can only judge from few concerts that i've been to but when taking some video taped bootlegs into account you, kalas, might be generally right. it's not that they're not animated, noel sometimes gets a crack out of his playing but a lot of agression and interaction has gone throughout the years. but this wont decrease my passion for the music and the gigs at all...theyre a different band now. the focus is on pure coolness and delivering the songs as clean as possible. yeah man..and i aint sayin the show suffers THEY WERE GREAT IN MANCHESTER I LOVED IT... i just see a less fun up there..and it has nothing to do with age, there are duos that have been frontin bands for years that still interact with each other and u can see they are enjoying themselves( jagger/richards) (perry/tyler) (bono/edge)( daltrey,townsend) ect ect..and stomko i agree with you but i am only talkin LIAM,NOEL here not the rest they just dont seem energised onstage by each other like they used too ,even when they were callin each other dicks onstage u could tell they were takin the piss out of each other..and lineup changes should not effect how the two frontman interact either .its something i noticed at msg and really saw at manchester ...hell in 02 liam gave noel flowers onstage at roseland in honor of his first gig back from the car crash i cant see that happening now sadly..it does not affect there gig performance wise they rocked , but something is missing up there |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 7:11:08 GMT -5
after reading what LIAM said about NOELS daughter i see why the joy is gone ..i didnt know about this til just now reading it in the forum,,that was a low blow i understand now why NOEL seems distant What exactly did Liam say?? Is this what Noel was referring to in an interview he did with (was it MOJO or NME) from this year? He said something about Liam saying some really horrid shite and eversince then, it hasn't been the same between em. I agree with ur original post Kalas. My first Oasis gig was Jones Beach 1996 so I had the pleasure of seeing em with Guigsy and Bonehead. The earlier shows do seem to be more fun. Now, u hardly see any interaction between Noel and Liam onstage (they barely spoke at MSG). Its this odd negative energy u get from them onstage that definitely was not there in the mid-90's. Don't get me wrong though...They still rock my world everytime...Its just a more pre-programmed kind of fun because after all these years of seeing em in concert, u have this mindset on enjoying yourself. exactly queen ..i remember jones beach and they were funny up there..the music is tighter than ever ..they sound great,,if u cant have fun together gettin paid to play rock ,,there is a problem thats my worry |
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Post by Elias on Jul 6, 2005 7:28:46 GMT -5
i can only judge from few concerts that i've been to but when taking some video taped bootlegs into account you, kalas, might be generally right. it's not that they're not animated, noel sometimes gets a crack out of his playing but a lot of agression and interaction has gone throughout the years. but this wont decrease my passion for the music and the gigs at all...theyre a different band now. the focus is on pure coolness and delivering the songs as clean as possible. yeah man..and i aint sayin the show suffers THEY WERE GREAT IN MANCHESTER I LOVED IT... i just see a less fun up there..and it has nothing to do with age, there are duos that have been frontin bands for years that still interact with each other and u can see they are enjoying themselves( jagger/richards) (perry/tyler) (bono/edge)( daltrey,townsend) ect ect..and stomko i agree with you but i am only talkin LIAM,NOEL here not the rest they just dont seem energised onstage by each other like they used too ,even when they were callin each other dicks onstage u could tell they were takin the piss out of each other..and lineup changes should not effect how the two frontman interact either .its something i noticed at msg and really saw at manchester ...hell in 02 liam gave noel flowers onstage at roseland in honor of his first gig back from the car crash i cant see that happening now sadly..it does not affect there gig performance wise they rocked , but something is missing up there Looks like we're disagreeing again  Liam and Noel have never had the natural showmanship of some other bands that you mentioned, and it was obvious that simply the buzz of being on stage was a huge thing. Again, for Oasis, the other band members did affect Liam and Noel, cos they were on stage with the mates they were on the dole with, which is obviously gonna increase the buzz even more. I'll never understand this thing you've got about comparing them to other bands, Oasis have always been unique, and things that might not affect other bands certainly affect them. We could have a good old debate over a few stellas you and me ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 7:54:17 GMT -5
yeah man..and i aint sayin the show suffers THEY WERE GREAT IN MANCHESTER I LOVED IT... i just see a less fun up there..and it has nothing to do with age, there are duos that have been frontin bands for years that still interact with each other and u can see they are enjoying themselves( jagger/richards) (perry/tyler) (bono/edge)( daltrey,townsend) ect ect..and stomko i agree with you but i am only talkin LIAM,NOEL here not the rest they just dont seem energised onstage by each other like they used too ,even when they were callin each other dicks onstage u could tell they were takin the piss out of each other..and lineup changes should not effect how the two frontman interact either .its something i noticed at msg and really saw at manchester ...hell in 02 liam gave noel flowers onstage at roseland in honor of his first gig back from the car crash i cant see that happening now sadly..it does not affect there gig performance wise they rocked , but something is missing up there Looks like we're disagreeing again Liam and Noel have never had the natural showmanship of some other bands that you mentioned, and it was obvious that simply the buzz of being on stage was a huge thing. Again, for Oasis, the other band members did affect Liam and Noel, cos they were on stage with the mates they were on the dole with, which is obviously gonna increase the buzz even more. I'll never understand this thing you've got about comparing them to other bands, Oasis have always been unique, and things that might not affect other bands certainly affect them. We could have a good old debate over a few stellas you and me ;D ill buy the first round  ..me and u can debate it proper ....its not really comparing them,, nobody touches them in my view,i am just comparing how frontmen interact with each other,and LIAM and NOEL used to interact together alot more than now its something that concerns me for the future , but make no mistake they are the best , thats why i hold them to such a standard ....i am concerned for the future cause if it is tension and general boredom of each other NOEL may really go solo and i dont want that ....we will close the bar down with this meeting of the minds ;D |
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Post by ToneBender on Jul 6, 2005 17:23:41 GMT -5
I don't see where this is all coming from. Have you ever seen Live By The Sea? There is absolutely no band interaction then. The majority of gigs to which people refer generally saw both/either Liam and Noel drunk or coked out of their ass (Knebworth, Maine Road, etc) or up for some huge, huge gig, again the same aforementioned gigs. I can think of plenty of shows I've seen that show little to no band interaction. At American shows a big portion of the interaction between the crowd/band is that most of the fans don't understand half of what comes out of either of their mouths because their eyes are shot or they can't work out the accents, or both. It makes for a much different environment. Noel couldn't tell jokes in the US if he tried because people simply wouldn't understand what he's saying. Listen to the majority of U.S. bootlegs from the audience and you'll hear SOMEONE say "what did he just say?!?!" There's plenty of explanations for a stage presence that has simply never changed contrary to popular belief.
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Post by cvillekid on Jul 6, 2005 23:23:52 GMT -5
i think thats what oasis is all about- they dont give a shit, they're not up there to dance and put on light shows, they stand there and play top tunes,a nd let the music do their talking, and for everyone's information thats exactly what I love about them.
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Post by StepOut on Jul 7, 2005 0:03:57 GMT -5
I don't think that Oasis don't give a shit. I definitely think they care about their live show and their music. There's a reason why they have been voted best live band numerous times. If they didn't give a shit, they wouldn't be where they are today. I only saw the original Oasis once, it was back during the Be Here Now World Tour. It was my first concert ever and it was amazing. I don't think I can compare the original Oasis to the new Oasis, as I only saw the original Oasis once and I've seen the post 2000 Oasis 4 times. Everytime I've seen Oasis live, they've always brought something different to the table. I think that the original lineup, Guigs, Bonehead, and Whitey had run it's course. I think that with the addition of Andy and Gem the band have been able to continue. If they still had the same lineup, I don't think they would have made it to 6 LPs, let alone 5.
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Post by brumoscardo on Jul 8, 2005 16:41:57 GMT -5
I think Noel doesn't have as much entusiasm. Liam's still mad fer it though
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Post by steveo1980 on Jul 8, 2005 17:06:20 GMT -5
I personaly think they've got as mych enthusiasm as theyve ever had ive seen many times over the years all the way back to earls court in '95 and as far as stage shows go not a lot has changed apart form there a little older (which makes me a little older also  ) i personally dont wanna see liam runnin round the stage like robbie fuckin williams he'd look a tit! same as i dont wanna see noel stop mid way through and start spouting bollocks like bono does!! i go to see them play there great songs live and they never dissapoint |
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Post by madforret on Jul 8, 2005 22:17:12 GMT -5
It's a mixed bag for me... The band are probably sounding tighter as a unit now, apart from Liam not hitting some of the notes he used to and voice trouble. On their day I bet they can nearly reproduce the NEW stuff note-for-note just like on the cd (maybe NOT lyla!). But the spirit seems to have gone. I have seen a couple of vids and to be honest apart from some different scenery and stage EVERYTHING was the same. They are just "punching in on the clock" as KALAS rightly states, going through the motions. Noel especially isn't giving it his ALL live in 2005, I don't know why? I am going to see them Sunday and I'm sure when I am there in person I won't be "bored" and the atmosphere will be as good as ever. NOT LIKE the good old days though For sure!!  |
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Post by madforret on Jul 15, 2005 6:55:54 GMT -5
At MK on the Sunday. Liam was sounding AWESOME! Better than he has for years.. Even sang Lyla in tune..  Maybe the gap between old oasis and new oasis isn't as BIG as I first imagined it was! |
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Post by liamscoat on Jul 16, 2005 8:19:51 GMT -5
All this Liam stuff and voice problems is a nonsense, listen to Knebworth and then City of Manchester and on every song manchester is better, Liams voice sounds great. At Knebworth in the so called glory years his voice was nowhere near as strong and as a whole the band sound awful (Bonhead just strumming barre cords right through and Guigsey just plucking away randomly on the bass). Different times but the band now is far far better, just look how Gem is now involved in everything, I include maine rd, knebworth, Glastonbury (3), finsbury pk and G mex in my list of gigs and the City of Manchester is the best I've been to |
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..I JUST WISH THEY HAD AS MUCH FUN AS WE DID..IN THE PAST IT LOOKED THAT WAY NOW IT LOOKS AS IF THEY ARE PUNCHIN A CLOCK 
..i didnt know about this til just now reading it in the forum,,that was a low blow i understand now why NOEL seems distant 
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