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Post by leib on Jun 10, 2005 8:28:16 GMT -5
First let me state that I think the new album is great!Liams vocals on the album are also great. Furthermore, I posted shortly after the J.Ross show that everyone should relax as I relayed the fact that I had seen Oasis at Pompano beach 3yrs. ago when Liam couldnt continue and then saw them two nights later and he was spot on.I put the J. Ross show down to nerves crappy tv studio quality etc.From all the shows I have heard seen footage from this tour, I thought Clapham and Alcatraz he sounded on form.(I refuse to go by the audience boots as they are not a true representation of the band).I even thought he sounded fine on Ggtia on Irish tv w/ Gem.He was maybe a little flat at the beginning but like the J. Ross appearance he picked up steam as he went along.However after seeing him on this German tv show I must say that I am concerned.This was not a case of raspiness.This was horribly off key and breathing difficulty.I would like to think that maybe he has a cold but then I heard the Brussels performance and it was more or less the same?I understand that Liam is not a trained vocalist and that is what we all love about him.I also know that it is easy to dismiss this to ciggs and booze but of all the footage that I have seen of this tour(allegedly performed drunk the other night)he really seems to be giving it every thing he has and been quite going for it at every opportunity. I know singers/bands have off nights and I have seen Oasis numerous times over the years dating back to dm days and they have never been anything short of brilliant. Sure Liam has had throat issues over the years and cracked while trying to reach notes but I have never heard him sing off key like this?
I have two theories concerning Liams recent difficulties:Liam only knows one way to sing and thats full throttle.Is it possible that w/ the three year layoff that he is out of sync and perhaps trying to do to much to quickly thus over straining his vocal chords? Even Noel knows that if he doesnt feel like going for the fasetto on idle, he lowers his voice a step while maintaining the tune.Liams voice just cant handle the every night or night after night demands on his voice.Sure the hard living ciggs and booze takes its toll but Weller surely diffuses that argument as his voice is stronger than ever.I know it is not Rock n' roll but hey need to space out the shows more,bring in the acoustic set,change up the set list so as to better pace himself for the rigours of a long arduous tour.Maybe I am fooling myself but I really believe that his singing difficulties are due to being to drunk to perform.If you watch the German tv show,he does not appear to be drunk and seems to be really trying his best.My second thought is more of a question/possibility? Does anyone think that the teeth incident and subsequent dental work has affected his ablity? Again I go back to Lyla live where he cleary seems to be having the most difficulty and some of his annuciation and phrasing seems to be different.
This in no way is meant to be a negative post and I like many of you are as pumped up on the new album and oasis like back in 94.I am merely interested in your thoughts especially those of you that have been to the first leg of the tour.I will be at msg,boston and the hollywood bowl and hoping that the excitement will continue as I truly believe they still have it and w/ this new direction there could be more greatness to come.
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Post by jonnytrash on Jun 10, 2005 14:10:44 GMT -5
acoustic set, or they won't last the entire tour
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Post by Bizzle on Jun 10, 2005 14:16:15 GMT -5
Well he shouldn't really be nervous after performing for 12 years. And he has played more scary stuff than the JR show. Maybe it is his teeth. But all we can say is that he used to have a very soulful voice which on songs like Slide Away and Cast No Shadow was almost beautiful. Giving up the cigs might help a bit though.
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Post by montrealmike on Jun 10, 2005 21:08:13 GMT -5
How's this for a theory: Liam smokes too much, drinks too much, is out of shape, never practices and is too edgy to sing the high notes. I love Liam, but this is why his throat sucks right now. Simple as that...
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Post by Clint on Jun 10, 2005 23:41:21 GMT -5
No. He never practiced and was too edgy years ago too. It was a slow process. He got older for one, which can be GOOD OR BAD. Also, Liam doesn't take care of his voice. This is the biggest factor, and I know it:
He weakened his vocal cords over the years by his singing style. He just pushed it all out instead of managing the air and actually singing. That is not good if you do it too much. Puts a lot of strain on vocal cords. Also, tilting your head up is a bad idea. It decreases range, and the ability to hit notes. Liam could hit the notes-- he didn't know which notes, but if someone told him to sing cast no shadow he could do the "as he face the sun he cast no shadow" while remaining in tune. But his voice is weakened. Cigs and booze hurt it more too.
He never took care of his voice, and this is what he got for it. Is it beyond repair? I fucking hope not. Noel and Liam have to know there's a problem.
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Post by thebluesgnr on Jun 10, 2005 23:49:17 GMT -5
The people who see the band live (actually live, not fucking bootlegs) don't seem to think there's a problem.
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Post by Wonderfan on Jun 11, 2005 0:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by rdwngthirty on Jun 11, 2005 0:31:28 GMT -5
something was really wrong there, sounds like a cold or something in his throat, never heard it soudn taht bad
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Post by Wonderfan on Jun 11, 2005 0:36:09 GMT -5
That's what I thought too.
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Post by soulcrew on Jun 11, 2005 6:50:24 GMT -5
it seems to me that sometimes he just loses concentration. he seems to start ok but then drifts in and out & starts to shout instead of sing! its like hes forcing the words out to quick & runs out of breath! however i dont think this new mind hes always had a tendency lose controll a little especially when pissed!!
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Post by Guess God Thinks I'm Cain on Jun 11, 2005 9:15:12 GMT -5
He needs to go to a vocal coach  . They can help him sing the way he wants to sing while working out his chords so that they don't let him down quite so often  . |
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Post by Meltdown on Jun 11, 2005 9:24:33 GMT -5
Honestly..that sounded very very bad..  Hopefully that isn´t his normal singin voice at this moment.. |
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Post by daysleeper on Jun 11, 2005 9:43:44 GMT -5
yeah that performance was very flat. i think he improved a bit though - seems like Lyla is difficult for him to sing the first couple of lines. he never quite gets it right and it takes him half the song to recover. He seems to have mastered the technique of singing the song using only about 3 notes...  overall, his voice on these recent gigs hasnt been great but it hasnt been so bad to worry about. if it gets worse over the next month then it will be time to worry besides - the idea of going to an oasis gig, sober, is completely alien to me! i dont care what he sounds like coz i probs wont be able to hear him anyway ;D as for his voice in the long term - everyone always knew he doesnt sing technically well. that was well documented even 10 years ago. it will inevitably get worse, unless he looks after it. which he doesnt! so there is no grand theory needed. its either that - or its his sideburns....i dont trust them. they need to go |
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Post by Bizzle on Jun 11, 2005 13:41:28 GMT -5
He needs to go to a vocal coach . They can help him sing the way he wants to sing while working out his chords so that they don't let him down quite so often . He did to go a very well respected vocal coach after Glast last year and she told him to raise the mike on stage and give up the cigs. He just hasn't listened. |
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Post by drummert5 on Jun 11, 2005 16:58:06 GMT -5
He needs to go to a vocal coach . They can help him sing the way he wants to sing while working out his chords so that they don't let him down quite so often . He did to go a very well respected vocal coach after Glast last year and she told him to raise the mike on stage and give up the cigs. He just hasn't listened. ...is a fake AP story that appeared in late '03 and again in late '04. I don't know if he got coaching or not, but the story was a fake one. T |
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Post by thebluesgnr on Jun 11, 2005 21:07:15 GMT -5
What I'd like to see is one of you go up to Liam and say he needs vocal lessons. That should be fun. ;D
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Post by rdwngthirty on Jun 11, 2005 22:40:40 GMT -5
anyone who listened to the live show, there seems to be some kind of speech impedement, might be from teh teeth.
i noticed it in champagne supernova, he couldnt makes some sounds properly
neway, i couldtn watch that vid, i was too buisy watching starky.....he was doing fukin sweet, looks so much more effortless and coordinated that white...not saying white is a bad drummer...i just like starky
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Post by astonvillascotty on Jun 11, 2005 23:13:31 GMT -5
The people who see the band live (actually live, not fucking bootlegs) don't seem to think there's a problem. great point man. eveyone knows that when you are at a gig, you cannot hear a thing. its just a wall of distortion. and besides it is very early in the tour, wait till they hit america and australia - they will be well and trully warmed up and plus i think they still have something to prove. as for liam, his voice started going down hill around sotsog. he seemed to change his singing style to a more raspy drown. this is not a technically strategic good thing to do. |
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Post by giggergrl on Jun 11, 2005 23:23:48 GMT -5
I read all posts and I understand what you are saying.. But I heard RKid did quite well tonite in Deutschland ! I understand his potential vocal abuses, lifestyle issues and misuse perhaps.. I DO GIVE HIM CREDIT ! I think he has branched out so much with his voice since DM. and I LUV it ! He does seem to be "picky" about the sound system too. from what ppl say. it can set him off. Noel will help out if he needs to rest a bit. Until then I am fooking stoked for MSG NYC and Philly ! I am starting to think the US shows will be top ! the fact they are being received well here will help ! they'll feed off ot that ! #12 on billboards here ? that's amazing ! Viva la gallagher bros !  and best to ya |
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Post by Jimmy D on Jun 12, 2005 6:45:38 GMT -5
I love liam he has a great voice BUT, some songs he just cant get. I'll use Lyla as an e.g.
"Callin on the stars to fall" that part of lyla liam realli cant get it.
i really dont fink that is cigs and booze that has dont this to him, does anybody remember listenin to UK Radio Aid. Liam sounded brillaint. I think that he has caught a bug or something because his voice sounds that bad. I hope he can get this sorted as soon as possible i want another 6 albums out of the lads!
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Post by leib on Jun 12, 2005 7:32:33 GMT -5
I am not going by the bootlegs.The german tv performance as well as all the performances of Lyla are off particularly at the beginning.I am definitely noticing differences w/ his annunciation and phrasing in alot of the songs?Does anyone think its the teeth issue? The strange thing is he goes and does a great performance of ggtia on irish tv(watch the video it is better).I know they always say he doesnt like to sing acoustically live but maybe he is straining to much to get over the wall of sound on every song.If they would just throw in a couple of acoustic ones I think he could pace himself better throughout the show and the rest of a very long tour.
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. They can help him sing the way he wants to sing while working out his chords so that they don't let him down quite so often 
Hopefully that isn´t his normal singin voice at this moment..
and best to ya
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