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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 1, 2005 21:41:01 GMT -5
I love this song, don't know why many people slag it off
have a question with the lyrics though:
you found your god in a paperback
you get your history from the union jack
i understand the first line--you believe in what the bible says but its only a paperback book (love those kind of lyrics which make u think!!)
however,what does the second part mean--"history from the union jack"??--yes i know that the union jack is the british flag, i just want to know the significance of that line...
Thanks
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Post by giggergrl on Jun 1, 2005 23:08:33 GMT -5
hi, I too ADORE Mucky Fingers. (perfect for me - love the Velvet Underground and Lou Reed inspiration so..) Hey, I am still taking it all in as well (the lyrics.) they mean many things to different ppl. "Ya get your history from the unionjack ?" I just assumed Noel was referencing his motherland, expressing his loyalty.  I think he has really gone back to his roots this time around. see my thread if ya want - RockNroll star and Part of the Q.. Dunno really. Noel, the man the mystery.. ah... good thread.  |
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Post by AlexTHFC on Jun 2, 2005 9:30:11 GMT -5
Its a phenomenal song! And so are the other two Noel-sung ones on DBTT.
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Post by Guess God Thinks I'm Cain on Jun 2, 2005 11:29:31 GMT -5
Mucky Fingers sounds like what it would be like to hear Dylan lead the Velvet Underground. |
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Post by helmet959 on Jun 2, 2005 15:39:51 GMT -5
im an american, and if someone told me i get my history from the "stars and stripes" i'd be offended, i think Noel was trying to slag close-mindedness, especially because the line follows "you found your God in a paperback"
the flag represents the country, so saying your get your history as told by the country you live in means you can't really think for yourself
as an american, i understand that america exists outside of my own context, and it exists outside of everything i've read in an american history textbook (cuz that textbook was probably written by overly-patriotic americans) just like i know that the meaning of life/religion/spiritualism exists outside a paperback book that overly-religious people declare to be the only truth
noel is trying to say some people don't understand this, i think both lines are meant to be digs at a certain kind of people. maybe that if you're apt to find your God in a paperback, you're also apt to believe that the history your flag projects is all you need to know
thats the way i read it
i swear i have a point with all this i've written, does anyone agree with or at least see what i'm saying?
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Post by doggboy10 on Jun 2, 2005 15:51:31 GMT -5
im an american, and if someone told me i get my history from the "stars and stripes" i'd be offended, i think Noel was trying to slag close-mindedness, especially because the line follows "you found your God in a paperback" the flag represents the country, so saying your get your history as told by the country you live in means you can't really think for yourself as an american, i understand that america exists outside of my own context, and it exists outside of everything i've read in an american history textbook (cuz that textbook was probably written by overly-patriotic americans) just like i know that the meaning of life/religion/spiritualism exists outside a paperback book that overly-religious people declare to be the only truth noel is trying to say some people don't understand this, i think both lines are meant to be digs at a certain kind of people. maybe that if you're apt to find your God in a paperback, you're also apt to believe that the history your flag projects is all you need to know thats the way i read it i swear i have a point with all this i've written, does anyone agree with or at least see what i'm saying? Yeah i agree i think noels having a go at the single minded, racist, facist people (BNP and so on) of this great country. Cheers doggboy |
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Post by helmet959 on Jun 2, 2005 19:32:27 GMT -5
thanks for responding! but what's BNP stand for?
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Post by thebluesgnr on Jun 2, 2005 19:57:07 GMT -5
im an american, and if someone told me i get my history from the "stars and stripes" i'd be offended, i think Noel was trying to slag close-mindedness, especially because the line follows "you found your God in a paperback" the flag represents the country, so saying your get your history as told by the country you live in means you can't really think for yourself as an american, i understand that america exists outside of my own context, and it exists outside of everything i've read in an american history textbook (cuz that textbook was probably written by overly-patriotic americans) just like i know that the meaning of life/religion/spiritualism exists outside a paperback book that overly-religious people declare to be the only truth noel is trying to say some people don't understand this, i think both lines are meant to be digs at a certain kind of people. maybe that if you're apt to find your God in a paperback, you're also apt to believe that the history your flag projects is all you need to know thats the way i read it i swear i have a point with all this i've written, does anyone agree with or at least see what i'm saying? Yeah i agree i think noels having a go at the single minded, racist, facist people (BNP and so on) of this great country. Cheers doggboy I'm not sure racist and fascist apply. helmet959 makes a very good point. |
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Post by AlexTHFC on Jun 2, 2005 20:00:55 GMT -5
Helmet959's comments are what I read in to it too
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Post by sarinho on Jun 2, 2005 20:28:50 GMT -5
isn't the union jack the newspaper for british in the USA?
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Post by giggergrl on Jun 2, 2005 21:42:50 GMT -5
im an american, and if someone told me i get my history from the "stars and stripes" i'd be offended, i think Noel was trying to slag close-mindedness, especially because the line follows "you found your God in a paperback" the flag represents the country, so saying your get your history as told by the country you live in means you can't really think for yourself as an american, i understand that america exists outside of my own context, and it exists outside of everything i've read in an american history textbook (cuz that textbook was probably written by overly-patriotic americans) just like i know that the meaning of life/religion/spiritualism exists outside a paperback book that overly-religious people declare to be the only truth noel is trying to say some people don't understand this, i think both lines are meant to be digs at a certain kind of people. maybe that if you're apt to find your God in a paperback, you're also apt to believe that the history your flag projects is all you need to know thats the way i read it i swear i have a point with all this i've written, does anyone agree with or at least see what i'm saying? Hey, YES you ARE right ! I had a closer listen to the MF today. Noel in all his brilliance - he's got his satire going - attacks on human vices thru irony and contempt. he is more witty than ever in this process and even EXHILARATING ! . he upsets the mind with these tunes, but puts it all to such clever melodies..  I see he references phonies, plastic ppl, mistrust, not being told the truth.. trying to stay real and true to himself perhaps.. etc. getting sleepy and ramblin on, good post. ciao |
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Post by iamthewalrus on Jun 2, 2005 21:48:12 GMT -5
GREAT SONG...thus the caps but i definately dont think it should be a single...not commercial enough. thoughts??
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Post by giggergrl on Jun 2, 2005 21:54:51 GMT -5
I DEF AGREE SIR !
way too cool to be a single for the ave. person. ya gotta love Noel version of Lou ! I love him for it. Noel's musical tastes are IMPECCABLE !
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