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Post by Moorish on May 4, 2005 9:23:56 GMT -5
TRUST ME ON THIS IF THE YEAR WAS 1979 AND THERE WAS THE NET AND THE JAM HAD A LP LEAKED NOEL WOULD LISTEN!...CASE FUCKIN CLOSED That is SO right! Or if The Beatles were putting out records today -- the Chief would be ALL OVER it!! |
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Post by albertzz on May 4, 2005 9:26:12 GMT -5
ultimately it's not that big a deal
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2005 9:27:54 GMT -5
That is SO right! Or if The Beatles were putting out records today -- the Chief would be ALL OVER it!! exactly!NOEL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RESIST BY SAYING "OH ITS NOT RIGHT" GIMME A BREAK  HE WOULD BE THE FIRST 1 TRYING TO HEAR IT |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2005 9:28:50 GMT -5
ultimately it's not that big a deal while i agree with u ,it seems to be a big deal to the future pontiffs out there |
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Post by Elias on May 4, 2005 9:29:05 GMT -5
He said on the webcast "if you can find em, go get em"
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2005 9:30:56 GMT -5
He said on the webcast "if you can find em, go get em" thank u..noel and liam are lads they would nick anything they could ..to think they wouldnt download is absurd ,if it is good enough for them its good enough for me  |
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Post by starglow on May 4, 2005 10:59:59 GMT -5
when you buy the album you right the wrong somewhat but that is still after the fact justification I'm not claiming I'm perfect or a saint or anything like that, the degree to which I am a good person or not is completely irrelevant to whether what I'm saying is true or not it is relevant when you're preaching so strictly about ethics that you only partially accept buying the album after downloading as justification as though we're bad people for it and patronizing us in a condescending tone. clearly you feel this is an issue in which there is no middle ground and thats fine with me, as long as you don't try to preach to, lecture, or patronize me just because I disagree and thats what you've done. so yeah, I think it is relevant because if you're gonna lecture me about ethics as though all ethics are set in stone (news flash: everyone has different ethics and different opinions on whats ethical and whats not) then you better be fucking perfect. I don't care if you express your opinion and say "i dont think thats ethical but i guess you have a different opinion on this particular ethical issue" but don't go around preaching like your word is the almighty truth and patronizing me like I'm an unethical person unless you have nothing even slightly unethical in your life. |
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Post by cvillekid on May 4, 2005 12:17:09 GMT -5
i love oasis as much as anyone, so if a new song is out after 2-3 years or whatever, hell yeh i wanna get it. I will still buy the cd,go to a concert,buy singles, so whats wrong with listening to their tunes? It only means that many people love their music and are MADFERRIT!
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Post by albertzz on May 4, 2005 12:25:34 GMT -5
starglow, you obviously don't take criticism or you know discussion very well
I'm merely presenting an opinon that is different from yours - if you find that lecturing or patronizing then fine
as for "people have ethics" it doesn't follow from the fact that people have different moral belief that there is no such thing as objective truth - this is an invalid argument
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Post by starglow on May 4, 2005 16:27:42 GMT -5
starglow, you obviously don't take criticism or you know discussion very well I'm merely presenting an opinon that is different from yours - if you find that lecturing or patronizing then fine I didn't realize saying something condescending like: was merely "presenting an opinion different from mine". because actually, being a photographer, I DO take *constructive* criticism very well because I've been trained to after hundreds of critques on my work.... but when you decided to belittle me by saying crap like "do you get it yet?" as though I'm just too fucking stupid to understand rather than just having a different opinion than yours... yes, that IS patronizing, sorry to break it to you. |
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Post by albertzz on May 4, 2005 16:38:40 GMT -5
so is "sorry to break it to you"
that being said I'd forgotten that I'd written that and I apologise for it
I thought you were just objecting to me providing reasons for why I thought what I thought which necessarily involved what some could misconstrue as lecturing
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Post by brumoscardo on May 4, 2005 16:46:03 GMT -5
I didn't realize saying something condescending like: was merely "presenting an opinion different from mine". because actually, being a photographer, I DO take *constructive* criticism very well because I've been trained to after hundreds of critques on my work.... but when you decided to belittle me by saying crap like "do you get it yet?" as though I'm just too fucking stupid to understand rather than just having a different opinion than yours... yes, that IS patronizing, sorry to break it to you. I think you're taking to a new level mate, sorry. All I hear is blah blah blah.. I'm pretty sure that if someone used your pics without paying anything to you, you'd be pissed. Who doesn't need more money anyways? But that ain't the point exactly. The band, they don't even care about the leak. So why should we? And an album on the web is just terrible to sales? YES IT IS. And there ain't gonna be a huge sales like WTSMG?, record braking again ever. But mp3 will never fade away. So we should start getting used to it. |
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Post by albertzz on May 4, 2005 17:07:44 GMT -5
please patronise me because I'm not exactly sure what you're saying
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2005 17:13:13 GMT -5
please patronise me because I'm not exactly sure what you're saying bro dont even sweat it...you are entitled to your opinion man..i respect it even if i dont agree  |
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Post by albertzz on May 4, 2005 17:19:09 GMT -5
don't worry Kalas, I'm not annoyed or anything I wasjust trying to understand brumoscardo's post - he seemed to be objecting to starglow, but not really.
ie - "not paying for things isn't cool, but oasis doesn't care, but it will hurt their sales, but that problem isn't going to go away" - all of those are facts that make sense but I just had trouble trying to see how it was a response to what starglow wrote and so that's why I asked him to patronise me, so taht I'd understand, - but if it's not supposed to be a response then ok - I'm just wondering what he thinks about those facts - just accept it? I guess. Is it accept it? ie - there's no use complaining about it? I guess I could see that - except there are uses to complaining about it and you can always change things, anyway, whateve
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2005 17:24:36 GMT -5
don't worry Kalas, I'm not annoyed or anything I wasjust trying to understand brumoscardo's post - he seemed to be objecting to starglow, but not really. ie - "not paying for things isn't cool, but oasis doesn't care, but it will hurt their sales, but that problem isn't going to go away" - all of those are facts that make sense but I just had trouble trying to see how it was a response to what starglow wrote and so that's why I asked him to patronise me, so taht I'd understand, - but if it's not supposed to be a response then ok - I'm just wondering what he thinks about those facts - just accept it? I guess. Is it accept it? ie - there's no use complaining about it? I guess I could see that - except there are uses to complaining about it and you can always change things, anyway, whateve posts can be miscontrued i had words with WASH25 over misconstrued posts ,its hard to tell when people are joking when you just read it..WASH25 is cool u are cool so is brum ,this is a great forum we can disagree but keep it civil, lord knows i was wrong plenty of times ;D |
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on May 4, 2005 17:26:59 GMT -5
what's going on? we'll have no trouble here...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2005 17:44:49 GMT -5
what's going on? we'll have no trouble here... exactly ..we are gettin back to pre lp release forum ....that is cool.no bullshit just good posting |
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Post by brumoscardo on May 4, 2005 17:59:48 GMT -5
Man.. I'd already have some argue with people about this when I was against the leak and had some dickheads slagging me off just coz of it.
All I was saying is that you shouldn't bother with it anymore mate. I still don't agree with people sharing it on Soulseek, etc.., but you'll never change people's minds. They're getting the greatest band of the world new cd for free before everybody else and if someone try to break their plesure and tell that's wrong, they'll hunt you and eat you alive. It's just being slagged off for free.. know what I mean?
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Post by thewindmayblow on May 4, 2005 20:45:13 GMT -5
i cant wait because i love oasis, and the current music out right now is shite, so when new oasis material is up for grabs, i myself cant help but to listen. I buy everything oasis releases, its not a matter of buying the album, of course ill buy the album, we all will, but we all would also like to listen to the new songs as soon as we can
oasis are back and cant wait till they come to toronto, and i get to hear the new songs live. to me thats what its all about seeing oasis live
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Post by StepOut on May 4, 2005 21:03:17 GMT -5
Noel has stated that if the tracks are on the net, go and get them. He said this on the Zane Lowe show.
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Post by starglow on May 11, 2005 22:03:52 GMT -5
I didn't realize saying something condescending like: was merely "presenting an opinion different from mine". because actually, being a photographer, I DO take *constructive* criticism very well because I've been trained to after hundreds of critques on my work.... but when you decided to belittle me by saying crap like "do you get it yet?" as though I'm just too fucking stupid to understand rather than just having a different opinion than yours... yes, that IS patronizing, sorry to break it to you. I think you're taking to a new level mate, sorry. All I hear is blah blah blah.. I'm pretty sure that if someone used your pics without paying anything to you, you'd be pissed. its a poor example because its completely different. by downloading the album while its not available to buy, all I'm doing is listening to it before I buy it. doesn't it make MORE sense if someone wanted to view my photo before paying for it? if for some reason my photo had been "leaked" before its release and people wanted to view it before it was on sale, I wouldn't really care so long as they then bought it if they liked it. but this senario would never happen as photography doesn't work that way and thus isnt really compariable yup, good point. not to mention that those bitching about how its still technically illegal to download it before buying it... well I just hope they have never owned an unofficial live bootleg cos guess what, technically they're illegal too. |
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Post by brumoscardo on May 11, 2005 22:24:37 GMT -5
I think you're taking to a new level mate, sorry. All I hear is blah blah blah.. I'm pretty sure that if someone used your pics without paying anything to you, you'd be pissed. its a poor example because its completely different. by downloading the album while its not available to buy, all I'm doing is listening to it before I buy it. doesn't it make MORE sense if someone wanted to view my photo before paying for it? if for some reason my photo had been "leaked" before its release and people wanted to view it before it was on sale, I wouldn't really care so long as they then bought it if they liked it. but this senario would never happen as photography doesn't work that way and thus isnt really compariable. I suppose you've only listened to the album and are waiting the release date to have them right? |
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Post by lyla on May 12, 2005 5:46:00 GMT -5
I'm not claiming I'm perfect or a saint or anything like that, the degree to which I am a good person or not is completely irrelevant to whether what I'm saying is true or not i emphatically agree - seperate the argument from the person. like a murderer who says murdering is wrong has made no less valid statement than if...someone like myslef said it. the analogy isnt really related to this thread at all. but it is tryign to illustrate the point about seperating arguments fromt eh people people always associate hypocricy with being negative. i just think that accepting that you are not perfect, but beign able to identify what is right is perfectly fine. and then do your best to try to uphold it. but in relation to the thread. i dont care about the money aspect. i do agree that this is more based on principles. and i personally think its wrong. but i believe people are fully entitled to do what they want based on their own morals (provided it doesnt infringe on the rights of others, or harms them...) my only gripe is that when so many people do, its only going to further encourage leaking and i dotn want to see it become a commonplace. so if it was sony (which i doubt...) then by people responding its gonna make them do it again. if we all condemned the action and/or refused to download them, there beign no demand will drastically reduce the chance of further leaking. cos what you do has consequences in a bigger chain of effect! yeah, and liam said he'd smack whoever leaked it. so i suppose that counters noels comment. in anycase it should not matter. i mean its an opinion we take into consideration. but we should be capable of deciding for ourselves our actions! =P |
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Post by spark on May 12, 2005 7:25:23 GMT -5
How do we know that people aren't downloading to see if they like the new material, and then choosing not to buy the album if they don't like it....FUCK THAT OASIS 'TIL I DIE!!!!!!!!!!!! And if you DIE before the release date and you haven't heard any of the new stuff! That would be fooked up!!!!  I D/L the new song because I wanted to hear them ASAP. I think it's fooked up that the album leaked, but I'm gonna buy it anyway. So why not hear the new songs now!! I totally agree that some people download it and don't buy the album. Therefor I do not share it with anyone! I just D/L it for me. And because I know that I'll buy all the singles and albums and DVD's and everything, I think that I don't harm anybody. But all this is only my humble opinion!!! ;D |
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