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Post by AlexTHFC on Jun 12, 2005 10:01:44 GMT -5
Critics who say Oasis "lost it" never bother to actually mention what other big bands from Oasis' perceived peak are like these days. Think about it, in every Oasis review we always get comparisons to Morning Glory and Definitely Maybe, but they never compare how Oasis are today with the other big artists from back when Oasis were the flavour of the month (or flavour of 94-97 to be precise!).
Who were the other big bands in the Uk then? I can think of The Verve, Manic Street Preachers and Radiohead. The Verve split up, but look at Richard Ashcroft's solo albums, they are utter shite, or if not utter shite, they are certainly not even 20% of what The Verve were, and they ain't anywhere near as good as HC, DBTT or even SOTSOG. Radiohead these days get constant praise for making tuneless noise that is complete shit compared to OK Computer or The Bends. And the Manic Street Preacher are similar to Oasis but at a lower level of success, they basically release an album every couple of years that their hardcore fans like, but doesn't have the mainstream success of their old albums. And all the other bands that had a number 1 album or two like Kula Shaker, The Bluetones, Seahorses etc. Have all faded away too. So I'd say if you compare Oasis to other big artists from their heyday, Oasis are actually doing a hell of a lot better than any of them. Its just that Oasis had further to fall from so the press like to emphasise it more. I'd say in actual fact though, compared to the likes of Ashcroft, Blur, Travis, Ocean Colour Scene and Manic Street Preachers etc, Oasis haven't come even close to "losing it".
And as for their new albums not being as good as the first 2 (first 3 IMO), so the fuck what!? This is a stigma that critics only ever apply to musical artists. I mean seriously, look at other artists, to people say Michelangelo is shit or he "lost it" because he didn't keep beating "David" with every piece!? No, they only seem to do this with musical artists. Quite frankly whether DBTT, SOTSOG or HC are as good as Morning Glory, Definitely Maybe or Be Here Now is completely irrelevant, they are all separate individual pieces of art. Sure, have your favourites, but the way the critics dwell on it endlessly is bullshit!
Rant over...
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Post by stomko on Jun 12, 2005 11:15:41 GMT -5
It's funny how Travis opened for Oasis on the SOTSOG tour and all the critics were saying that Travis was the real headliner and that they were the next big thing. I was and I'm still a fan of Travis' older material, but they have taken the most dramatic decline in talent I've ever seen. Their last to albums are garbage. Everytime people bring up the new it band like The Darkness I laugh and say wait a few years. Oasis will still be standing tall.
I like Alone With Everybody by Ashcroft.
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Post by AlexTHFC on Jun 12, 2005 11:33:42 GMT -5
Your right I've always thought that about Travis. "Good Feeling" was a extremely good debute. The Man Who was an exceptional follow up going in a different direction. Then the fact that a song as shit as "Sing" was the first single from "THe Invisible Band" tells you all you need to know about that album. And despite loving their first two albums, I never even bothered with "12 Memories" because the singles from that didn't indicate any improvement or return to form. I think the best Travis song was probably Coming Around though, which wasn't on any album.
As for Ashcroft, I like a few songs on Alone With Everybody, but I'd say Brave New World is his only solo song to come close to The Verve, "you on my mind in my sleep" was decent too. But I was just incredibly bored of the rest of it. I was a HUGE fan of The Verve (by the Verve I don't just mean Urban hymns either, all their albums and early EP's are equally good), and I was looking forward to Alone With Everybody as much as any Oasis album, and I was left SO disappointed by how tame and bland/uncreative it was compared to The Verve. And his second album just continued from all the worst aspects of Alone With Everybody.
Just my opinion, if the only Verve songs you ever liked were stuff on Urban Hymns like Drugs Don't Work, Sonnet and Bittersweet Symphony then I can see you might like Alone With Everybody. But to me the real sound of the Verve is the hugely psychadelic and experimental stuff on their first two albums, and Gravity Grave etc. As a big fan of that part of the Verve's style, I just didn't feel the Ashcroft solo material in the same way.
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Post by AlexTHFC on Jun 12, 2005 11:36:57 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be snobby with those Verve comments by the way. I freely admit I hadn't even heard of them until Bittersweet Symphony and The Drugs Don't Work came out. But I went out and got their older stuff after that and seriously, "A Storm In Heaven" and "A Northern Soul" just totally blew my mind and still do. Though I can see how they won't be for everyone and have so much mass appeal of Urban Hymns, especially in the case of A Storm In Heaven which is hugely uncommercial and psychadelic. The atmospheric guitar work on it is pure genius though.
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Post by gossy on Jun 13, 2005 15:55:55 GMT -5
Even the biggest bands like you say such as radiohead the stone roses the manics they all made some fantastic songs. But they either split up or are now shit I believe one reason for this is the fact they are brothers which has allowed them to have a strong bond and fite through there problems. Look at blur coxon has left now they do nufin i either saw that blur have said they miss coxon and want him back. You never saw liam pleading bonehead to come back. They do there own thing and critics hate the fact they are so successfull and make great music. Look even there albums that got slated such as bhn and sotsog they had some excelllent song some of there best They are consistant no matter what anyone say put there best 30 songs against all the other bands best 30radiohead blur stone roses manics travis verve you would get bored half way down the list with oasis you could listen to all 30 and then say why werent that song in it. If any thing all oasis have lost is the support of pop lovers now it is down to real music fans to appreciate what they do
Thank You And Fuck The Media
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on Jun 13, 2005 20:00:02 GMT -5
And despite loving their first two albums, I never even bothered with "12 Memories" because the singles from that didn't indicate any improvement or return to form. i respect people's opinions because ultimately I could never change your mind but on this point, you're fucking wrong beautiful occupation, re-offender and love will come through are three amazing songs. along with quicksand, peace the fuck out, walking down the hill and happy to hang aorund, Travis have given us a fucking amazing album.  <--- that's how I feel on the matter! |
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Post by stomko on Jun 13, 2005 23:28:25 GMT -5
I wish I could agree with you, but everytime I have my IPOD on shuffle I seem to run into a newer Travis song. For a split second I wonder what it is and then I skip the track. Their first two albums are top notch. I dig them live. But I've bought everyone of therir albums and it's just gone downhill for them. Sorry.
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Post by stomko on Jun 13, 2005 23:29:45 GMT -5
But I will say, some of those songs mentioned are good.
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