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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2005 22:27:17 GMT -5
i know green day has had great success with there lp ..but i was kinda shocked to see how u2 had fallen from the charts...it did 1 week at the top but after less than 6 weeks i see it was at 37 and rose to only 20 after the grammys..this from a band whos lp was ultra hyped here as the next huge lp ..i am not into them these days but in there heyday the joshau tree was in the top 10 for like 3 months...it just goes to show me how rock has fallen behind the shit music here in terms of sales ..i dont really give a fuck but it lowers my expectations a bit for chart success here...fuck those that dont get it but it makes me sad that the majority of the kids who buy records have no freakin taste  thank god i was brought up better  |
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Post by pizzy on Feb 25, 2005 10:15:13 GMT -5
in history when this has been the case a new rock band will come along and take over......... don't think there are any bands capable at the minute though, that i've heard
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2005 11:11:52 GMT -5
in history when this has been the case a new rock band will come along and take over......... don't think there are any bands capable at the minute though, that i've heard good point and at least some of the under 21s here in this forum are from the usa ...so there are some kids with GREAT TASTE |
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Post by Poshbird05 on Feb 26, 2005 11:16:08 GMT -5
Music in the US blow right now main stream culture has taken over the charts and rock has been suffocated by shity EMO bands that have no talent. All good rock music either comes out of the 60-80's or from Britan
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Post by MrBrownstone on Feb 26, 2005 11:37:55 GMT -5
Have to say that the charts over here in the u.k. are just as bad if not worse. Our charts are overflowing with cheesy manufactured pop or shitty rap(man, i hate rap music). But i know where you're coming from and we need more decent rock n roll bands. but, sadly, the not what's fashionable right now!
Cheers, Steve
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Post by nyr401994 on Feb 26, 2005 13:02:28 GMT -5
couldn't have said it any better |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Feb 26, 2005 15:40:15 GMT -5
No, some of the reasons U2's album dropped off the charts were 1. Strong single, weaker album. One might think that the album is packed with loads of Vertigo adrenaline...nope. There were maybe 2 or 3 songs that were pretty fast, and none of them matched Vertigo's exhuberant 'comeback' energy. One of the reasons Greenday succeeded and U2 failed I think is American Idiot's lead off single (american idiot), was very strong, and the album was even stronger. U2's single was very strong but the album failed to live up to that hype. Same can go for Heathen Chemistry, in my opinion. 2. Typical album drop off How long did you really think the album was going to stay up there? It really shouldn't seem that much of a surprise as rock is unfashionable and there are a lot of other good albums out. Also, the grammy week and preceding weeks probably had some influence on why it fell so fast. 3. Illegal or legal downloading of the album. This is true with all albums. After a few weeks, if you're not a huge fan of U2, you probably say to yourself, "well I might as well see what all the fuss is about", and download it.. Or some people will share the album, with p2p networks or friends. This obviously may be great for fans, but hurts immeasurably the record sales. NOTE: These rules don't just apply to U2, but to all bands. You'll probably see this pattern in the music industry for the next...million years?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2005 15:58:15 GMT -5
No, some of the reasons U2's album dropped off the charts were 1. Strong single, weaker album. One might think that the album is packed with loads of Vertigo adrenaline...nope. There were maybe 2 or 3 songs that were pretty fast, and none of them matched Vertigo's exhuberant 'comeback' energy. One of the reasons Greenday succeeded and U2 failed I think is American Idiot's lead off single (american idiot), was very strong, and the album was even stronger. U2's single was very strong but the album failed to live up to that hype. Same can go for Heathen Chemistry, in my opinion. 2. Typical album drop off How long did you really think the album was going to stay up there? It really shouldn't seem that much of a surprise as rock is unfashionable and there are a lot of other good albums out. Also, the grammy week and preceding weeks probably had some influence on why it fell so fast. 3. Illegal or legal downloading of the album. This is true with all albums. After a few weeks, if you're not a huge fan of U2, you probably say to yourself, "well I might as well see what all the fuss is about", and download it.. Or some people will share the album, with p2p networks or friends. This obviously may be great for fans, but hurts immeasurably the record sales. NOTE: These rules don't just apply to U2, but to all bands. You'll probably see this pattern in the music industry for the next...million years? i hear wat your sayin but i disagree somewat...the rap records and r&b stuff stay on the charts without a dip much longer...enimem,alicia keyes,usher,all crap to me but they dont drop off like u2 did and they get internet pirated as well.my point is that rock for the most part gets a big turnout the first week then doesent have the fan base to keep it up unlike the afrorementioned acts who have to go thru everything that u posted ....when i was a kid in the 80s if a big rock band like u2 had a lp out it would be in the top 10 regardless of if the lp was weak cause of a larger fan base amongst the kids who buy records...i hear where your comin from man but i gotta disagree a bit but its just my opinion |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Feb 27, 2005 14:23:46 GMT -5
2. Typical album drop off
How long did you really think the album was going to stay up there? It really shouldn't seem that much of a surprise as rock is unfashionable and there are a lot of other good albums out. Also, the grammy week and preceding weeks probably had some influence on why it fell so fast.
read above I think that explains what you were saying summat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2005 18:27:10 GMT -5
2. Typical album drop off How long did you really think the album was going to stay up there? It really shouldn't seem that much of a surprise as rock is unfashionable and there are a lot of other good albums out. Also, the grammy week and preceding weeks probably had some influence on why it fell so fast. read above I think that explains what you were saying summat. mate i am not tryin to argue with you..and i agree to a point...MY POINT HOWEVER WAS that in the old days (70s and 80s) it would not matter if there were OTHER GREAT LPS out a legendrery rock band would not fall to 37 SO fast thats all....sadly times have changed |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2005 18:31:06 GMT -5
2. Typical album drop off How long did you really think the album was going to stay up there? It really shouldn't seem that much of a surprise as rock is unfashionable and there are a lot of other good albums out. Also, the grammy week and preceding weeks probably had some influence on why it fell so fast. i see your point but again i say in the old (better days ) it would have stayed on the top of the charts alot longer and not crashed so quick...my point is the kids who buy records today in general ARE ASSHOLES (EXCEPT FOR THE SELECT FEW LIKE ON HERE) |
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Post by cigsandbooze on Feb 28, 2005 1:19:24 GMT -5
Music in the US blow right now main stream culture has taken over the charts and rock has been suffocated by shity EMO bands that have no talent. All good rock music either comes out of the 60-80's or from Britan Very well said. I am a very proud American but our rock n roll scene is shit compared to Britain's. The only American rock band that I still habitually see is Pearl Jam. |
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Feb 28, 2005 17:43:17 GMT -5
If you think the charts these days are dominated by Emo, you're completely wrong. While Emo is the most prevalent "scene", it fails to have almost ANY impact on the charts and I cannot name one 'emo' group with a number one album. Sorry but your'e just talking in terms of like sociology or current trend. Emo DOES NOT dominate any charts.
I don't think the american rock scene is THAT bad, and I don't think the British rock scene is THAT great...they're both pretty crappy.
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Post by britishlove on Feb 28, 2005 21:45:50 GMT -5
If you think the charts these days are dominated by Emo, you're completely wrong. While Emo is the most prevalent "scene", it fails to have almost ANY impact on the charts and I cannot name one 'emo' group with a number one album. Sorry but your'e just talking in terms of like sociology or current trend. Emo DOES NOT dominate any charts. I don't think the american rock scene is THAT bad, and I don't think the British rock scene is THAT great...they're both pretty crappy. Just to play play devil's advocate: Emo(and punk...they all seem to bleed toghether...now there are bands that claim to be both) may not be dominating the charts...but they dominate the radio waves(on pop rock/alt stations)...which is equally as impactful as the charts- because like you say rock n roll isn't fashionable so obviously the record sales aren't as high. And in America, an emo band against a rap artist is obviously not going to be able to dominate the record charts. And although the UK rock may not be what you consider great, I still find it better than the lot of American shite. |
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Post by iamthewalrus on Mar 5, 2005 12:35:26 GMT -5
You have to keep something in mind here...HTDAAB still sold 8.5+ million guys...bound to drop off. And although the album is no where near quality of joshua tree, war or achtung baby, I still really love the album
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2005 15:47:26 GMT -5
You have to keep something in mind here...HTDAAB still sold 8.5+ million guys...bound to drop off. And although the album is no where near quality of joshua tree, war or achtung baby, I still really love the album i agree...my whole point when i started the thread was that big rock bands(with the exception of crossovers like greenday) just dont have the chart staying power anymore which sux... i agree with wat your saying and wat lennonlives2 has said.... but the point i was makin was that the chart toppers that move lps are rap and r&b and unlike ROCK BANDS LIKE U2 they dont fall off the charts to 37 wether they are downloaded or not...in the 70s and even the 80s if a great ROCK BAND LIKE OASIS OR EVEN U2 had a good lp nevermind a great one it would have stayed in the top 10 for months as def leapord did with" hysteria "or gnr with "appetite" the times have changed 4 the worse in my opinion when it comes to the musical taste of america  |
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Post by Poshbird05 on Mar 5, 2005 17:53:06 GMT -5
I honestly think the US charts, along with any chart around the world, really reflects the esents of the society. If you think about it America 2005 is so indulged in changing fast that no one has time to do anything, trust me I know from expiriance. So, how do you expect people to sit down and respect greatness. America doesn't have time to have one band at the top of the charts for a long time. but hay that's just a theory of mine.
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Post by RnRstar on Mar 5, 2005 18:39:20 GMT -5
I gotta agree with you Iamthewalrus... the only worthy band that America has churned out in the last 10 or so years would have to be the strokes  and the fact that America has the biggest influence on every other damn country means that the shit they get on their radio comes to ours too... (Australia for me) I don't know too much about the rock music scene in the UK... but seeing as there are bands like the killers and the libertines, it can't be going too bad right? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2005 13:40:48 GMT -5
I honestly think the US charts, along with any chart around the world, really reflects the esents of the society. If you think about it America 2005 is so indulged in changing fast that no one has time to do anything, trust me I know from expiriance. So, how do you expect people to sit down and respect greatness. America doesn't have time to have one band at the top of the charts for a long time. but hay that's just a theory of mine. your right posh to a point....the society does have time to keep shit music on top for extended periods like mm and 50 cent ...which sickens me |
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Post by iamthewalrus on Mar 6, 2005 13:44:53 GMT -5
the times have changed 4 the worse in my opinion when it comes to the musical taste of america I think thats something we can all agree on. Well said. |
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Post by USOasis86 on Mar 6, 2005 14:30:21 GMT -5
good point and at least some of the under 21s here in this forum are from the usa ...so there are some kids with GREAT TASTE Thanks Kalas my friends and i can't get enough of oasis we listen to the music everyday never gets old and i know that spreading to the youth is important but theres no need cause i know a group of Frosh's that went nuts when they heard C.S. on my cd player so i don't need to worry about the youth in my town for now  ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2005 14:40:08 GMT -5
Thanks Kalas my friends and i can't get enough of oasis we listen to the music everyday never gets old and i know that spreading to the youth is important but theres no need cause i know a group of Frosh's that went nuts when they heard C.S. on my cd player so i don't need to worry about the youth in my town for now ;D its good to see there are still some real music loving kids in america ..the majority are being brainwashed by rap  ..it gets me sick...thank god for under 21s like u to keep the good fight goin man |
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Post by USOasis86 on Mar 6, 2005 14:50:28 GMT -5
yea i started fighting with an underclassman in class the other day about rap cause he was listening to 50 cent....i told him really music is with a guitar..drums..bass..and vocalist and told me yea but this is whats in and i like it...i told than your missing out cause rap = crap
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