jtmOBX
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Post by jtmOBX on Feb 22, 2005 23:28:00 GMT -5
Just want to point out to all the doubters of Oasis and their new album just how wrong I, personally believe, they are about to be. After a few years, many different mixings just like Definitely Maybe, Oasis is about to release another CD. Noel and Liam both have both in different times in the past few months stated that the believe this to be one of the best cds to EVER be released, even by Oasis (slightly resemble their attitude around the release of Whats the story (Morning Glory?)?) Theyre playing the biggest venues, especially in the US, that theyve played in many years. This is about to be the second coming of Oasis, grabbing opening acts like Jet, theyre planning to be HUGE again.
No matter the doubts people have of what this new album, its name or whatever else. I believe this is going to be their greatest creation since theyre outstanding debut nearly 11 years ago. Noel (and likely Liam as well) realize theyre not getting older and if they want, which they definitely both do, to be THE GREATEST ROCK BAND EVER again this may well be their last chance.
So when their new album is released and everyonr realizes what top music theyve created once again I hope all you guys can say cheers and see you at what is an ALREADY SOLD OUT MSG show (and others of the kind) because others are going to be left out wishing theyd realized sooner.
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Post by austin21 on Feb 23, 2005 0:15:27 GMT -5
I just wish I had the fuckin' money at the time.
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Post by jtmOBX on Feb 23, 2005 0:28:16 GMT -5
Ah shit man, if you can get the time you can always save your money and find some tix on Ebay. What Ive seen so far as been reasonable, esp for those that arent floor seats.
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Post by jtmOBX on Feb 23, 2005 0:30:40 GMT -5
It will definitely be worth it, because this is going to be the greatest Oasis Album to hit the fuckin world yet.
And if they play Cigarettes and Alcohol and Live Forever we can all call it money worth spent anyways.
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Post by meaningofsoul on Feb 23, 2005 1:19:37 GMT -5
I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but Oasis have always claimed that every album they've done is their best. And right before it comes out they always whole-heartedly endorse it as their best/favorite. I don't think Oasis will ever have a second coming in America. They have a reputation in America (the band that's done Wonderwall/Champagne Supernova) and it can't be changed across the 270 million people in the country. I think their shows will be huge for their FAN BASE but I don't think it will turn heads. It's not going to be a crossover album. They are forever trapped as a band of around 1996 and that's where they will stay. They are my favorite band and I think their music is the greatest in the world....but they can't convince the masses of that...not now.
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Post by SuperStar on Feb 23, 2005 2:40:00 GMT -5
I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but Oasis have always claimed that every album they've done is their best. And right before it comes out they always whole-heartedly endorse it as their best/favorite. I don't think Oasis will ever have a second coming in America. They have a reputation in America (the band that's done Wonderwall/Champagne Supernova) and it can't be changed across the 270 million people in the country. I think their shows will be huge for their FAN BASE but I don't think it will turn heads. It's not going to be a crossover album. They are forever trapped as a band of around 1996 and that's where they will stay. They are my favorite band and I think their music is the greatest in the world....but they can't convince the masses of that...not now. yeah... stupid yanks. ;D
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Post by Treacle on Feb 23, 2005 2:58:25 GMT -5
At least they made more of a name than Status Quo did over here. Those guys had like a 40 year career of being big in the UK and Europe, and virtually unknown here in the US.
Actually Oasis is a lot bigger here than the media would lead you to believe. MTV never plays them, VH1 never plays them, radio stations never play them, yet they still sell out MSG in one hour. Not many bands can do that, especially ones that never get airplay. Hopefully this tour will be a wake up call to the media.
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Post by JordanGrenke on Feb 23, 2005 3:03:55 GMT -5
WOW . . .quite the thread.
I hope you all have a second because I'm about to Explode.
First of all . . .CHEERS for this thread. If there's anything we Oasis Fans have in common, it's enthusiasm. If not . . . why are you even reading this? Or better yet . . . what are you doing on an Oasis Board?
To set the record straight. Noel [glow=red,2,300]HAS[/glow] said after EVERY ALBUM SINCE Morning Glory that it's their best work. Your sources for that can be NME.com, The FAMILIAR TO MILLIONS extras, or the RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW BBC special . . .
But think about it, If a band DIDNT say that about their work, would we be eager to buy it? Time and time again? The one thing you have to understand about our beloved Gallaghers is that they are a MASTER of the game. They LOVE AND HATE the press, but regardless, they have to do it. Noel will always feed the scraps of what he does know to the press . . . and he's smart about it too because he always feeds those hungry dogs the same serving, and the same scraps.
"Oasis have become a fans band" ~ Liam 2000 (FTM DVD) The tour is for us. It's because all of us ...TOGETHER have stood by this band, loved this band, and carried this band with us for 11 years now. What they write . . . what they play . . . it's nothing short of gold for us. These N.A. shows especially are in locations that are central, so we can all go . . . they're in HUGE VENUES so that there's enough room for ALL OF US . . .and HEYYYYYYYY, since when have Oasis come around twice for one album? Well there about too since this is just a warm up tour.
From the band who couldn't give a fuck . . . they certainly give a fuck about us . . . THE FANS. Who needs to "Turn heads in America" when 78.9 million people have already turned their heads . . .and keep them turned.
THE ALBUM . . . . I thank GOD . . .I thank NOEL, LIAM, GEM, ANDY, BONEHEAD, GUIGSY, WHITEY, OWEN MORRIS, DAVE BATCHELOR, MARK COYLE . . .for NEVER . . EVER . . Making 2 Oasis Albums the same. An evolution of a band is a lot more interesting then a FORMULA band. Heathen Chemistry wouldn't have been the same without Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants sounding like it did just as Morning Glory wouldn't have been the same without Definitely Maybe Sounding like it did.
This Album will do us all fine. I hope Oasis aren't U2 EVER. And that's coming from a U2 fan. Oasis to me mean the most because they never let me down and keep me THAT SLIGHT TOUCH over statisfied.
If this album IS a HUGE PINNACLE . . . a "Joshua Tree" . . . "Urbam Hymns" . . . "Dark Side Of The Moon" . . . then ALL THE POWER to the lads. There's nothing better than the feeling of VIndication. To be able to look at every critic straight in the eye and say 'Told ya so'. Belief . . . it's having belief.
I believe in this band. I believe in their music . . . and I believe in the path they've set my life on . . .and most certainly I believe in the path they've set themselves on.
so BRING ON the tour . . .BRING ON the new Album. . .
I'll buy it . . . I'll see you in Toronto . . . and I'll see you tomorrow, right here. Because there is no amount of Criticism, speculation or negative energy that will make me stop believing.
So, whether or not it's the greatest album or even the greatest tour ever. Oasis will always be the greatest band in my eyes. And at the end of the day . . . all that really matters is WHO THEY ARE TO YOU.
Live Forever
Oasis . . . forever.
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Post by gavincampbell on Feb 23, 2005 7:54:11 GMT -5
well said lad
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Post by wherediditallgowrong84 on Feb 23, 2005 8:18:36 GMT -5
groupie, i love the picture. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2005 8:48:08 GMT -5
WATCH IT MATE LOL UNFORTUNALLYalot of yanks are studid sadly especially in there musical taste
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2005 8:58:02 GMT -5
I don't think Oasis will ever have a second coming in America. They have a reputation in America (the band that's done Wonderwall/Champagne Supernova) and it can't be changed across the 270 million people in the country. I think their shows will be huge for their FAN BASE but I don't think it will turn heads. sadly ,your probably correct americas majority is more into rap and r and b,but they have a chance to reach out a little more on this one because if they reach JETS fan base which is younger and more mainstream they may crossover more than u or i think
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Post by belgallagher on Feb 23, 2005 9:20:56 GMT -5
well said jordangrenke
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Post by Asif on Feb 23, 2005 12:43:54 GMT -5
well put jordan My view is Oasis have a huge opportunity before them right now with the state of rock n roll. There's a bit of a change happening, and it was noticed in the mid-90s when they smashed the bar up with 2 brilliant albums (i still say Be Here Now was fuckin fantastic so it should be 3 brilliant albums in a row, and SOTSOG is one of my favorite albums of all time, but it wasnt part of the mid 90s shift). Rock n roll was the 'pop' music of the time; it was the tunes you would hear whenever you turned on the radio to any station or whenever you were waiting for the subway; rock was the pop. Then a bastardized version of 'hip hop' took over (Nas, Talib Quali, Mos Def, The Roots, Grand Master Flash....that's fuckin hip hop; not fuckin lil jon and usher, bunch of princesses dancing about yellin 'yeaaaaaa' and 'okayyyyyyy'), and pop radion again fell down the toilet.
Lately, as i said before, rock has been making a comeback, and its not just rock, its specifically indie rock (north american indie rock is essentially britrock); the undergroud is becoming the mainstream; hence why bands huge in britain are becoming huge in the US, like the Killers, or Franz Ferdinand. The big herald of the shift is the 'new pop'; now, being rock n roll is the pop image, thats what explains the rise of a talentless (and ugly) pile of crap like Ashley Simpson, then there's Avril Levine, girl fr American Idol (her name escapes me right now); but essentially, u have pop music being made with the punk/indie image (then theres the boy bands with tatoos, like simple plan and good charlotte). It brings down the good name of rock, cuz they go out there, talk about pink floyd or zepplin, wear the fuckin shirts, and when their careers are over, so too is the 'image' of rock n roll giants.
Now, back to the indie becoming mainstream: there's an issue with this as well, a lot of the bands out there now are just re-issues of the past: if i wanted to listen to the cure with synths, i would do that instead of listening to the killers; if i wanted to listen to pulp, i would do that instead of listening to franz ferdinand (to me, franz is pulp, with absolutely no depth at all). The Libertines and The Strokes are just doing what the Ramones did nearly 30 years ago, cept with the Ramones it was a way of life, with these bands, its an image. And at the same time, the radio/video market is becoming saturated with indie bands, many of which are crap; much like with hair-metal in the 80s, everyones getting contracts and airplay if they can make tunes that match the image.
So, where does Oasis fit in? Oasis were the leaders of the mid-90s shift; they WERE the image, much like the Ramones, it was who they were; they were fuckin holligans who would gladly tell anyone how much coke they did, how many ppl they would fuck off in a night and at the same time they made brilliant, trend setting, cutting-edge music. Oasis, much like Nirvana, were the guys who started their respective musical change; they were unlike anyone before them; they were the incantation of 'substance over style' yet they maintained the style of a mother fucker. And they became the biggest bands on earth.
2005 is the year rock makes its return, with some of the best bands of the day (even if u like these guys or not, cuz theres some here i wouldnt listen to, but i respect) like U2, Greenday NiN, the Foo Fighters, BRMC, Coldplay, Garbage and of course, Oasis, putting out albums and touring over the next year (the 1st 2 artists clearly have already started). Rock is on the radio again. But, style is in many ways overtaking substance, so theres a darkside to it all.
Back to Oasis; they were the ultimate indie band; they went from the streets of manchester, they broke america and they trambled over the rest of the world. And now that indie is big again and that british artists are getting international airplay, they have a chance for 'a second coming', and the audience is there. Last time Oasis played NY, it was to a building that held less than 5000 ppl; now they sold out MSG, the worlds most famous arena; they sold out almost everywhere else. The public knows, this is the band that represents this movement, this shift in music, more than anyone else; or, atleast this WAS the band that did. And now, they have the chance to be again. There's only 1 thing that can change that: the album. In my opinion, Oasis have only made one album that wasnt fantastic, and that was Heathen Chemistry; yet, the 2 predecessors to it are also slagged for not being up to par to the first 2. Oasis need to have a massive album, if they can do that, they can be the biggest band in the world. The time is theirs again. Regardless of how it is, we here in this forum will all love it. But, can it be another crossover? Do they want it to be? Trying to make a pop record when your a rock n roll band often doesnt work out that good, it tends to sound like you've souled out (dont worry, i purposely spelled it wrong, think about it). Oasis are not the band to do this, never have, never will. They march by their own drum, born on their own cloud. That's what makes us love them, thats what makes them the sound track to our lives; thats what makes them one of the greatest bands of their generation. They have the chance to conquer the world again, and to tell you the truth, i think they will And I'll see you in Toronto on the first day
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Post by Gifford on Feb 23, 2005 18:24:06 GMT -5
jordan what is you said is definetly in the running for post of the year. and asif, you took the words right out my mouth. i couldn't agree more.
what i believe is that after this album (regardless of how it does) and this tour, oasis will finally be recognized as one of the landmark bands of rock and roll. right now the only artist that is really universally regarded as one of rocks greats is nirvana. oasis is probably in the running for rocks legends, but alot of people are still of the impression that oasis crumbled under the pressure of living up to their great songwriting in 1997 and got lost in a haze of cocaine and giving the V sign to the press.
however, fast forward to present day. radio is dominated by a generation of posers; this fake gangsta rap, punk pop bands that sing about not getting their desert because they won't eat their vegetables and karaoke singers that are also given movie careers and clothing lines. the majority of the public is sick of it.
where has rock and roll gone? it has become a fashion accessory. bands like ramones, motley crue, zeppelin and pink floyd have become brand names for t-shirts and trucker hats. the public is screaming for rock and roll. look haw fast we jumped on the darkness and jet. these guys arent saying anything important (yet) but they've got a badass attitude, and thats enough for anyone after years of plastic pop!
on the other hand, look and bands like green day. before september 2004, nobody thought they were gonna be the biggest band in the world again. but now they're selling millions of albums, selling out large venures, and have become the first punk band to be nominated for the best album grammy. other bands like u2 are stepping in too and being sucessful at it, honestly because this generation of artists, on the whole, has let us down.
now onto oasis. i think that this msg show selling out is gonna be the start of something big. it shows that both that there is an audience in north america for oasis and that that audience is gonna follow oasis no matter what they do, since they havent heard oasis' new direction.
there's a pretty good chance that this album will be big. oasis has got alot of followers since heathen chemistry
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2005 22:50:04 GMT -5
WOW . . .quite the thread. From the band who couldn't give a fuck . . . they certainly give a fuck about us . . . THE FANS. Who needs to "Turn heads in America" when 78.9 million people have already turned their heads . . .and keep them turned. dude all i can say is i im givin u a standing o ..well fuckin said
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 24, 2005 3:12:34 GMT -5
I agree with all these sentiments but at the end of the day, as Asif said, it's gonna come down to the album.
If it's a strong album with at least two songs that catch on in America - in terms of MTV, college radio, mainstream radio etc - then they could be big again over there.
The MSG show has, as I think they planned, given them a way in, the chance to raise their profile again and remind people they are still around (I get the impression most Americans thought they split after Morning Glory). However, that all depends on them getting the necessary promotion - and seeing as their contract with Sony is up very soon I can't see why Sony would spend money promoting them heavily - unless of course they want to re-sign them and are hoping to get them big again Stateside so the record company can cash in.
America aside (and to be honest I can't see them ever being mainstream again in the US) their most important market is the UK.
And I don't know whether anyone's noticed but there seems to be a lot of expectation about this new album (and I'm not talking about the fans).
There is a lot of pressure on them to deliver a top notch album after three perceived disappointments (even though personally I enjoyed a lot of HC, most of SOTSOG and a fair bit of BHN and I'm glad they haven't kept trying to make another MG).
However, it definitely all comes back to the songs.
If they are good enough then Oasis will reassert themselves in the UK and prove to the doubters they are one of our greatest bands of all time. That would make me very happy.
A US revival is, in my opinion, going to be a tall order for the band but, again, if the songs are good enough then who knows.
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