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Post by vespa on Jan 31, 2005 11:27:54 GMT -5
just thought id make a point.alot of people were saying liams voice was terrible in recent years especially at glastonbury.but personally i think it was the music that was pretty poor.whats happened to the loud guitars and fast rythm playing?.the songs were slow which was dragging liams voice all over the place.gem should bring back the power chords that bonnehead used to play.they were the loudest band in the world a few years ago now it all sounds just to nice.they need to get the early live sound back or something of the be here now standard.what you all reckon?
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Post by novascotialad on Jan 31, 2005 12:03:26 GMT -5
i'm glad someone's brought up bonehead... i gotta say, never thought i'd say this but, listening back to some of the '94-'97 bootlegs that i've aquired from this fine site, i think i almost prefer boneheads sound to that of gems. on the older tunes anyway, i think boneheads power chord attack lends more useful to noel's lead. i think gems a far far far better guitarist than bonehead, but some of his playing gets lost in the live mix... ya know? ie. supersonic, columbia, cigs & alcohol.
if i started a band i reckon i'd ask bonehead to be in it. lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2005 6:57:55 GMT -5
thats a good point nova sometimes even if a musician is more talented as GEM is ,, when it comes to just rockin out loud and raw you need to just play ,,,much like bonehead. that why most bands 1st lp is there most rockin they just play it fast and loud ,,then after success they start playin their instruments and the raw energy is compromised
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Post by Indo ShakermakeR on Feb 1, 2005 8:52:25 GMT -5
well, at glasto, i reckon it was Zak's fault, he is the one who counts the beat (most of the time), by hitting his stick before a song. As a guitar player myself, if the drummer counts the beat slowly, we start the song slowly. Starky's crap. Im sorry but he's just no my cup of tea. Alan always did it perfectly. But Zakk Starky, i dont no bout dat guy but seriously, my 14 year cousin plays better than him... and i'm not lying
and about liam's voice... yes, its not as good as it was. dont say dat its not true coz it is. he cant hit the hi notes anymore...
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Post by jayg on Feb 1, 2005 9:42:08 GMT -5
and about liam's voice... yes, its not as good as it was. dont say dat its not true coz it is. he cant hit the hi notes anymore... Listen to liams voice on radioAid tho mate, fuckin great, wonderwall sounds like the studio version. Also i agree with whoeversaid it that yeah, oasis MUSIC sounded better with bonehead, faster and rawer!! |
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Post by Wireless on Feb 1, 2005 10:27:30 GMT -5
well, at glasto, i reckon it was Zak's fault, he is the one who counts the beat (most of the time), by hitting his stick before a song. As a guitar player myself, if the drummer counts the beat slowly, we start the song slowly. Starky's crap. Im sorry but he's just no my cup of tea. Alan always did it perfectly. .. I kind of agree with you. he's obviously a great drummer but he dont suit oasis imo |
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Post by thewatty on Feb 1, 2005 14:23:48 GMT -5
oasis have lost it thay just dont seem to have the raw edge thay used to have back in the dm days and the wtsmg days i know music changes but look at them now and look at them then its just not the same .oasis have a huge fan base including my self thats why thay will all ways sell records but you ask a lot af ure mates if thay will buy the new album and i bet thay say no .not like a while ago every one wanted them .please dont think im slagging them off cose im not i fuckin love oasis but i think i do have a point dont you. as for zak on the drums id say no to that he just cant seem to cut it
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Post by StepOut on Feb 1, 2005 21:21:07 GMT -5
I definitely think Liam's vocals have gone down hill. But listening to the radioaid recording I can tell that his vocals have improved since Glastonbury and the Heathen Chemistry tour, than again his voice has had two years to rest. How will his voice hold up once they're back on tour?
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Post by StepOut on Feb 1, 2005 21:22:38 GMT -5
Concerning the current lineup and sound of the band, I prefer the Oasis of old. I think they were at their peak during the Morning Glory tour. Liam's voice was top and the rest of the band was dead on and tight. Over the years I've found that the band's sound has become more tame and and less rugged.
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Post by Indo ShakermakeR on Feb 3, 2005 9:58:24 GMT -5
Also i agree with whoeversaid it that yeah, oasis MUSIC sounded better with bonehead, faster and rawer!! faster and rawer, hahaha... ok, let me just rewrite my point here, the speed of a music it base on the first few counts. if the drummer/guitarist counts (by signalling with hitting the stick together or strumming whilst muting) it fast, the music becomes fast (wen even its not suppose 2 b dat fast), and vice versa. it doesnt depend on the guitarist dude. bonehead does nothing except rythm, Gem is a better guitar player, he actually adds leads here and there when noel is not playing lead (ahem listen to 'morning glory' live, n 'do you know wat i mean' -especially in dykwim gem did a lot of lead guitars der) |
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Post by Jazzvi on Feb 3, 2005 17:59:14 GMT -5
ok so im not the only one who thinks their sound is not as good as it was.
In the early days noel was playing his guitar louder than bonehead's and he did the riffs and all that stuff.
Now he just plays normally and has a pedal for solos and he lets gem play many of the riffs in almost every song (morning glory, dont look back in anger, rock'n'roll star...)
That's the main difference between the sound of the dm,wtsmg & bhn tours and the actual sound.
Zak Starkey may be a really good drummer (or not) in The Who or wherever he may play but it just doesnt fit anyway the oasis sound. Alan was the best drummer oasis could ever have.
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Post by StepOut on Feb 3, 2005 20:42:17 GMT -5
I agree, Alan just fits in. Zak in my opinion really doesn't, however he is still an excellent drummer, just he doesn't fit in with Oasis. To me, since the depature of Bonehead, Noel has taken more of a rhythm guitar role and Gem has take over Noel's parts.
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Post by Indo ShakermakeR on Feb 4, 2005 11:13:34 GMT -5
Bonehead had always been using semi acoustic (Epiphone casino, etc) and Gem always uses his solid body guitars, they sound worlds apart (ie. they sound different, whether theyre in clean/overdriven/distortion.... well except heavy distortion where every guitars sound the same in dat mode). Thats probably a contributing factor.... i think this will sum up things about Noel.... wise words from the man himself (noel gallagher): "i'm not crackin' up... I'm just gettin older"  |
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Post by jayg on Feb 5, 2005 16:51:33 GMT -5
faster and rawer, hahaha... ok, let me just rewrite my point here, the speed of a music it base on the first few counts. if the drummer/guitarist counts (by signalling with hitting the stick together or strumming whilst muting) it fast, the music becomes fast (wen even its not suppose 2 b dat fast), and vice versa. it doesnt depend on the guitarist dude. bonehead does nothing except rythm, Gem is a better guitar player, he actually adds leads here and there when noel is not playing lead (ahem listen to 'morning glory' live, n 'do you know wat i mean' -especially in dykwim gem did a lot of lead guitars der) Yeah but i couldnt give a fuck about the technical side of it mate.....it just SOUNDED fookin faster in the early days and thats all that matters! |
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