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Post by BRYSONBRYSON on Jan 12, 2004 23:34:25 GMT -5
although i liked alan white, he never really did anything with the drums that made me go, "wow, he's fantastic."
whereas when i saw zak starkey drum with the who a few years back, i was very impressed....
i think he would help bring some more rock n roll back to oasis
plus, having some beatles blood in oasis couldn't hurt
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Post by BRYSONBRYSON on Jan 12, 2004 23:53:12 GMT -5
and to be quite honest, noel's drumming on 'definitely maybe, 'better man', and some b-sides like 'half the world away' is pretty good, so it wouldn't be the end of the world if noel had to play the drums in the studio
and i'm sorry to say it, but watch "live by the sea", and although tony only had 2 beats, the drums were loud... you can't hear a god damn thing that alan played.. "familiar to millions" was horrible.. he did nothing but play some soft rythym beats in the background... i've seen alan, and steve drum before, and i was more impressed with steve.....
but he's old and fat, so i still say ringo's kid
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Post by BRYSONBRYSON on Jan 16, 2004 12:51:15 GMT -5
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Post by carlislemic on Jan 20, 2004 18:35:38 GMT -5
you can't blame whitey for not hitting his drums hard enough on familiar to millions,blame the mixing and over produced sound.try the dvd version and you can listen to 2ch or 5.1. 'cos it sounds 100%better.
also whitey is in a different league to mccarroll.mccaroll was a run of the mill drummer but whitey incorporated a lot of break-beat styles that kept the the older songs fresh.have another look at the jools holland sessions to see what i mean
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Post by carlislemic on Jan 20, 2004 18:48:12 GMT -5
also having zak starkey on the drums would turn oasis in to a circus and i think noels knows that.a session drummer will do a good job on the new album but i agree they need a full time drummer.
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Post by Toast960 on Jan 26, 2004 11:08:00 GMT -5
Besides, Starkey's committed to The Who and apparently their planning to tour this summer and I've heard that they're working on a new album though I don't know if that's true or not.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Aug 6, 2023 19:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Aug 7, 2023 16:42:24 GMT -5
So did Zak Starkey turn out to be a better drummer than Whitey?
Reader, he did not.
Nothing against the other drummers in Oasis, but what a numbskull decision that was from Noel to sack Alan White. Mind you, Whitey probably got out just in time before all the mid tempo plodding dreck they kept writing. Don't think any drummer could have done anything good with that.
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Post by coolprophet on Aug 11, 2023 6:17:12 GMT -5
Always liked Zak's drumming and he was a perfect fit for the DBTT tour. His style brought some fresh air especially to the more rocking songs during that time.
Chris overall very likely to be the "best" drummer for Oasis let's be honest. Sorry Whitey! You got your place in the history books anyway and were around during the wild days so that ain't too bad either. But the band was absolute dead around the time he left so right move from Noel.
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 11, 2023 12:45:06 GMT -5
Always liked Zak's drumming and he was a perfect fit for the DBTT tour. His style brought some fresh air especially to the more rocking songs during that time. Chris overall very likely to be the "best" drummer for Oasis let's be honest. Sorry Whitey! You got your place in the history books anyway and were around during the wild days so that ain't too bad either. But the band was absolute dead around the time he left so right move from Noel. Yeah, I agree with you, I definitely rate Chris as the best Oasis drummer and I always liked him in Beady Eye as well. As for Zak, he's a good drummer and I don't understand the slagging off he gets on here. |
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Post by Binary Sunset on Aug 11, 2023 16:47:01 GMT -5
Always liked Zak's drumming and he was a perfect fit for the DBTT tour. His style brought some fresh air especially to the more rocking songs during that time. Chris overall very likely to be the "best" drummer for Oasis let's be honest. Sorry Whitey! You got your place in the history books anyway and were around during the wild days so that ain't too bad either. But the band was absolute dead around the time he left so right move from Noel. Yeah, I agree with you, I definitely rate Chris as the best Oasis drummer and I always liked him in Beady Eye as well. As for Zak, he's a good drummer and I don't understand the slagging off he gets on here. Because he made the songs slow plodding and lifeless. Chris was an improvement in every way. |
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Post by discworld on Aug 12, 2023 13:17:52 GMT -5
Steve White was the best drummer.
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 12, 2023 14:42:12 GMT -5
I like to think every drummer the band had bought something to the music either in the recording studio or playing live.
I’m not a drummer but I always liked Steve White’s drumming on the tour of brotherly love in 2001. Alan white’s work on WTSMG is fantastic, unbelievable that he only joined the band a month or so before the sessions!
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 16, 2023 4:28:43 GMT -5
So did Zak Starkey turn out to be a better drummer than Whitey? Reader, he did not. Nothing against the other drummers in Oasis, but what a numbskull decision that was from Noel to sack Alan White. Mind you, Whitey probably got out just in time before all the mid tempo plodding dreck they kept writing. Don't think any drummer could have done anything good with that. This is spot on. |
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Post by albarncoxon on Aug 23, 2023 14:33:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you, I definitely rate Chris as the best Oasis drummer and I always liked him in Beady Eye as well. As for Zak, he's a good drummer and I don't understand the slagging off he gets on here. Because he made the songs slow plodding and lifeless. Chris was an improvement in every way. Totally agree. A very good drummer, but the old songs were slowed down way too much with him. Chris was a way better fit fo the band |
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 23, 2023 17:02:22 GMT -5
Because he made the songs slow plodding and lifeless. Chris was an improvement in every way. Totally agree. A very good drummer, but the old songs were slowed down way too much with him. Chris was a way better fit fo the band Just playing devils advocate for a second People are blaming Zak for playing the songs slow and plodding but surely Noel had the final say on how he wanted the songs to be played, I can’t imagine it was Zak’s decision to play the songs with a slower tempo. These things would have been sorted out in the rehearsals before the tour. |
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 24, 2023 12:12:37 GMT -5
Totally agree. A very good drummer, but the old songs were slowed down way too much with him. Chris was a way better fit fo the band Just playing devils advocate for a second People are blaming Zak for playing the songs slow and plodding but surely Noel had the final say on how he wanted the songs to be played, I can’t imagine it was Zak’s decision to play the songs with a slower tempo. These things would have been sorted out in the rehearsals before the tour. Agreed. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Aug 24, 2023 14:09:07 GMT -5
Zak was good at DBTT songs but not very good at other Oasis songs. Alan White was very good in the 90s but since 2000 he's gotten a bit worse. The best was probably his brother Steve White
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Post by albarncoxon on Aug 24, 2023 17:40:18 GMT -5
Totally agree. A very good drummer, but the old songs were slowed down way too much with him. Chris was a way better fit fo the band Just playing devils advocate for a second People are blaming Zak for playing the songs slow and plodding but surely Noel had the final say on how he wanted the songs to be played, I can’t imagine it was Zak’s decision to play the songs with a slower tempo. These things would have been sorted out in the rehearsals before the tour. It might be, but, either way, Zak was, for me, the least suitable drummer for the band. Chris marked a big difference, 'respecting' the songs at the same time. I guess is a matter of taste. |
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Aug 25, 2023 21:43:37 GMT -5
Noel said in a Youtube video with Matt Morgan around the time of that HFB greatest hits comp a couple years ago that in a supergroup he would name Zak Starkey as his drummer. Hilarious since he employs Chris Sharrock! I like Starkey better.
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Post by Manualex on Aug 25, 2023 22:08:59 GMT -5
Always liked Zak's drumming and he was a perfect fit for the DBTT tour. His style brought some fresh air especially to the more rocking songs during that time. Chris overall very likely to be the "best" drummer for Oasis let's be honest. Sorry Whitey! You got your place in the history books anyway and were around during the wild days so that ain't too bad either. But the band was absolute dead around the time he left so right move from Noel. Yeah, I agree with you, I definitely rate Chris as the best Oasis drummer and I always liked him in Beady Eye as well. As for Zak, he's a good drummer and I don't understand the slagging off he gets on here. Bring it on down didn't needed to be butchered by Zak. The studio tracks were great from Zak but the performances in earlier material like BIOD made some songs worse than the studio cuts. |
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Post by goletitout1986 on Sept 3, 2023 13:39:04 GMT -5
Whitey was the best Oasis drummer. No doubt in my mind.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 5, 2023 9:18:58 GMT -5
I can't see past Zak's performance at Glastonbury. He seemed to slow the whole thing down to be honest. I agree with the above post that Noel would have decided the tempo, and Liam was poor in 2004 but it is easy to point the finger at Zak.
Whitey was clear - I don't know enough about drumming to come to the conclusion that he regressed in the 2000s. If someone could give some examples I would love to be educated.
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Post by sheisloved on Sept 15, 2023 18:22:39 GMT -5
Whitey was the best Oasis drummer. No doubt in my mind. Whitey |
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Post by sebi.white on Sept 23, 2023 7:07:54 GMT -5
Totally agree. A very good drummer, but the old songs were slowed down way too much with him. Chris was a way better fit fo the band Just playing devils advocate for a second People are blaming Zak for playing the songs slow and plodding but surely Noel had the final say on how he wanted the songs to be played, I can’t imagine it was Zak’s decision to play the songs with a slower tempo. These things would have been sorted out in the rehearsals before the tour. Totally right. Zak said in an interview that this was the toughest band to play in in terms of keeping to tempo, where as soon as you're dragging or rushing the smallest bit, Noel will pick it up, which makes me think that the caveman tempos (I'm glad they approved after Glasto cos some of those were REALLY slow) were down to Noel and then Zak dialled them into his metronome. I think Whitey was perfect for the records he did, there's no way Tony could have brought the right sound and grace that Alan had to MG and BHN. Then Zak gave a charisma to DBTT and DOYS that Alan couldn't. Then Chris gave a blustery Keith Moon energy to the live sound that they definitely needed towards the end so I think every drummer had their place and nobody overstayed their welcome. |
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