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Post by nyr401994 on Jan 4, 2005 21:32:16 GMT -5
before you guys start bashing my head in, i always thought why nirvana was, is, and still will be so highly regarded of. people actually think kurt cobain was a great guitarist, too!
imo, nirvana WAS a decent band, but a highly overrated one. their music was, in my opinion, something even i could have written (i.e. 'i hate myself, i want to die' in power chords with a janitor in a ballerina suit in the music video)
from the grunge scene, pearl jam were quite obviously a better band. i don't know about you, but i would choose ten over nevermind any and everyday. if you want great guitar, check out the solo to 'alive'. i don't think the twisted mind of cobain could think of that, but only Fm5--Bbm5--G#m5--C#m5 over and over and over and over.
as i just found out, mtv's viewers just rated them the #1 greatest band. vh1 called nevermind the 3rd greatest album of all time. all i want to know is.. WHY???
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Post by masterplan200 on Jan 4, 2005 23:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by dixonhill on Jan 5, 2005 6:55:11 GMT -5
before you guys start bashing my head in, i always thought why nirvana was, is, and still will be so highly regarded of. people actually think kurt cobain was a great guitarist, too! imo, nirvana WAS a decent band, but a highly overrated one. their music was, in my opinion, something even i could have written (i.e. 'i hate myself, i want to die' in power chords with a janitor in a ballerina suit in the music video) from the grunge scene, pearl jam were quite obviously a better band. i don't know about you, but i would choose ten over nevermind any and everyday. if you want great guitar, check out the solo to 'alive'. i don't think the twisted mind of cobain could think of that, but only Fm5--Bbm5--G#m5--C#m5 over and over and over and over. as i just found out, mtv's viewers just rated them the #1 greatest band. vh1 called nevermind the 3rd greatest album of all time. all i want to know is.. WHY??? you say you could have, but you haven't have you? |
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Post by Don1™ on Jan 5, 2005 7:18:40 GMT -5
I never like Nirvana meself
Was never a fan
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Post by muzzamuzza on Jan 5, 2005 7:49:08 GMT -5
I think they're alright like, i like their unplugged album better than any of their others, that's a quality album. I agree with yer about Kurt Cobain's guitar playing, he wasn't even the best guitarist in nirvana imo, Grohl is probably better. Songs like 'come as you are' and 'heart shaped box' are classics though imo.  |
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Post by iamthewalrus on Jan 5, 2005 10:54:59 GMT -5
pearl jam was a better band imo but i still like cobains songwriting over pearl jams...mike mcready wails on guitar tho
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Post by jayg on Jan 5, 2005 12:19:03 GMT -5
I think in a similar way to Oasis in the UK, Nirvana captured the imagination of the youth in the States
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Post by monkey man on Jan 5, 2005 12:23:42 GMT -5
In my opinion Nirvana are one of the greatest rock bands of all time. But they're one of those bands that youn either get or you don't. I don't get The Libertines and I constantly get my head bitten off by people who think there the best thing since sliced bread.
Nirvana just wrote great pop songs. Heatshaped Box is one of the greatest songs of all time
Like all great music if you don't love it then you'll probably not get off on it one bit.
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Post by globe on Jan 5, 2005 12:26:01 GMT -5
Nevermind is one of the greatest rock/pop albums of the last 20 years, who cares if Cobain wasnt the greatest guitar player in the world? Nirvana werent about guitar solos, just like all the best rock bands arent about crap like that. Sorry NYR431994 but in my opinion Pearl Jam are one of the worst bands I've ever had the mis-fortune to lay ears on. It was rubbish like them that Definitley Maybe swept away for good in the UK.
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Jan 5, 2005 13:15:25 GMT -5
I think in a similar way to Oasis in the UK, Nirvana captured the imagination of the youth in the States that is it. It doesn't take the most amazing songwriting or structures to make a great band. Not all fans can analyse music or it's conventions and just like to listen to the music. Kurt Cobain may have just used 4 chords but he still wrote the US Teen Anthem of the 90's and many other songs which were popular. Downpoint... he did marry Courtney Love  |
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Post by drunken guitar pop on Jan 5, 2005 15:49:05 GMT -5
they're one of those bands that you either get or you don't. Well said. They must have been great to connect with that many people but I just never really got it. On the other hand they're also one of those bands that got so important people think they have to like them. I like the songs like All Apologies and that, though. |
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Post by nyr401994 on Jan 5, 2005 21:44:27 GMT -5
i dig what you say monkey man and ldd. but don't get me wrong, i didn't say they sucked! i said they were decent, but very overrated. if you talk great songs, i don't think of smells like teen spirit (that's just crazy old me). i think that everybody goes crazy over nevermind, while their best work is very overlooked- unplugged in ny. and i don't dislike them because kurt was a bad guitarist- that quote was just to show many delusional people that he isn't.
and one more thing about pearl jam: listen to alive and you'll finally see what i'm talking about. and it's not because i'm a democrat who hates george w. bush.
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Post by Toast960 on Jan 7, 2005 19:43:13 GMT -5
To me, Nirvana's best album is "Incesticide". I agree that they are a bit overrated, as is "Nevermind". If you want to really hear what the band was about, listen to either "Incesticide" or "In Utero". They were kinda like The Beatles and Oasis in that they were the right band in the right place at the right time. I also agree with an above post of Nirvana doing for the youth of America what Oasis did for the youth of Britain. And in regards about great guitarists in the realm of grunge, check out Jerry Cantrell's stuff with Alice In Chains.
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Post by ninja on Jan 7, 2005 22:09:56 GMT -5
i've been leeching of this amazing site for a while now only because i don't have anything to upload except a few old charlatans (uk) & stone roses gigs that i think most fans of these bands would have but anyway i think nirvana are(were)one of the best bands of all time just because no one has ever come close to them in a long time, they were ground breaking and yer cobain isn't the greatest gutarist ever but just listen to them and there a cut above any weak band about at moment except the libertines, hope pete sorts himself out but then babyshambles aren't something to moan about killamangiro a great tune just thought i'd give my view
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Post by webm@ster on Jan 8, 2005 0:48:05 GMT -5
i've been leeching of this amazing site for a while now only because i don't have anything to upload except a few old charlatans (uk) & stone roses gigs that i think most fans of these bands would have they would perfect for the other L4E forum cuz members are sharing non oasis boots there , please visit if you have a moment thanks... www.live4ever.org/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl? |
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Post by daysleeper on Jan 8, 2005 15:48:29 GMT -5
i dig what you say monkey man and ldd. but don't get me wrong, i didn't say they sucked! i said they were decent, but very overrated. if you talk great songs, i don't think of smells like teen spirit (that's just crazy old me). i think that everybody goes crazy over nevermind, while their best work is very overlooked- unplugged in ny. and i don't dislike them because kurt was a bad guitarist- that quote was just to show many delusional people that he isn't. I used to think Nirvana were hugely over-rated too....that was until i sat down and properly watched the Unplugged gig. It was an amazing gig and showed perfectly how the band could of went on to greater things. They've done some brilliant songs (Nevermind has at least 4 classics on it so i cant see how that would be called over-rated) and deserve recognition. Although i completely agree with the 'right place, right time' comments. They were very much like Oasis in that respect. But again like Oasis - being massively popular and over-hyped doesnt mean they didnt have a few classic tunes. Dixonhill made a very good point regarding the quality of Nirvana's music They'd never be my fave band at all, and greatest band? no way. But they're still up there with the modern legends. Just the Unplugged 'All Apologies' would get them there imo.... |
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Post by caro on Jan 8, 2005 17:33:22 GMT -5
the unplugged album is just great... i've bought it last week |
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Post by thebeerbaron1 on Jan 8, 2005 19:01:14 GMT -5
i saw nirvana on the word doing teen spirit and it blew me away!
i love the album because it was the one that finally brought punk rock to the american masses.
at the time i could'nt understand why it was such a big album because great music was always pissed over in favour of phil collins or huey lewis...etc.
it is a fucking CLASSIC album and every track is outstanding.
it is by far their best album and one of the greatest punk rock albums of all time ever. anyone who says that bleach is better is full of indy shit! (sorry toast, thats how i feel about this album).
also, there is a fresh new sound in there with an old fashioned hint to it. the sound shall be copied for decades to come.
america lost the best songwriter in decades when cobain blew his brains out.
pearljam is the blueprint for boring rock and every dull band sounds like them these days.
still, could be worse. they could sound like linkinpark instead.
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Post by John Karma on Jan 11, 2005 22:00:36 GMT -5
I remember reading an article once talking about how much respect Noel had for Kurt, & how Nevermind brought all of music to another level. It is not about solos it is about hooks & Nirvana had them. Guess who the next Brilliant hook writer and song writer turned out to be ... you guessed it our own Noel Gallagher. Noel is not known for his great guitar playing but for his natural approach to the perfect pop anthem. Noel is the only other one to come close to what Cobain has achieved in his short tenure. & Nobody, I mean nobody put on a better show then Nirvana in their prime (Except for Oasis-Glory Tour). The angst the honesty, something that music has never retained. PJ is one of the best bands today in music but the only comparison is that they are both from Seattle, that's it. Different genre's all together.
The question is why Nirvana and I just say why not?
PS Does anyone remember Kurt's picture on the wall behind Liam in the USA release of the Live forever video?
I rest my case
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Post by Toast960 on Jan 14, 2005 16:29:58 GMT -5
No offense taken beerbaron. By the way, great seeing you again . Now I'm not saying "Nevermind" wasn't good because it was. It's just a bit overrated in my view because to every pissant poser punk walking the streets today, they regard that as the holy grail of rebellion and some think it's the only decent thing Nirvana ever did although when it came out, it was just about the only decent album around because any rock act that was around at the time wasn't big enough to cause an impact or thought the world revolved around them *cough* Guns n' Roses*cough* U2* cough*. I agree it's very good but personally, I prefer "Incesticide" and "In Utero" in the same aspect as I more so prefer to listen to either "Damned Damned Damned" or the UK version of The Clash's debut album as to "Nevermind the Bollocks" if I'm in need of a punk fix. "Nevermind The Bollocks" is good, but the other two albums seem to better capture the rawness of old school UK punk just as while "Nevermind" is a damn good album, "Incesticide" and "In Utero" better capture the spirit of Nirvana. I must say I fully agree with you in regards to Pearl Jam. I bought "Ten" the other day and it's a total waste of money. It was as if I could see through Eddie Vedder's bullshit a thousand miles away. |
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Post by thebeerbaron1 on Jan 14, 2005 18:10:09 GMT -5
fuck sake toast! everyone jumped on the pistols bollocks album at the time when it hit mainstream and became massive!
when oasis hit it really big with morning glory my heavymetal mates all got short hair cuts and started shouting "morning glory" a lot!
some people jump on bandwagons because they are scared of missing out.
nevermind will last the test of time and that is for sure!
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Post by Dominic on Jan 14, 2005 19:14:07 GMT -5
can u imagine if something , god forbid , happend to laim at their peek 97 pre be here now , oasis would be haeled equals to the beatles
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Post by thebeerbaron1 on Jan 15, 2005 21:12:19 GMT -5
can u imagine if something , god forbid , happend to bono any time soon.
think of all the rain forests and u2 i-pods that would be lost to mankind forever!
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Post by John Karma on Jan 16, 2005 0:10:59 GMT -5
I would not go that far it is all about Noel, if he died then their would be some legend to the band, if Liam died it would be more like AC DC they would just replace him or Noel would just carry on a solo career.
Liam does not have near the credibility of John or Paul or George or Ringo for that matter. He has never had his own number one album, he has only written a handful of songs that have gotten minimum recognition. He completelty tarnished Oasis's image in the states and in England in the past and gave Oasis a bad name to begin with with his pompas attitude. The states have not yet forgiven them for their attitiude since 1994. Especially when the coward bailed on the MTV unplugged at last minute only to reveal what Oasis really was..... Noel Gallagher. The show went on that night (the best concert Oasis has ever recorded) and it will prosper after Liams death no problem. All true fans know what Noel's role is in the band and Just like Kurt... he is the band. When Kurt died it was over, when Noel dies it is over as well. Please don't give me a story that Liam has any legendary statuus accept for working with the best songwiter around today.
That's about it, ... sure he is a talented singer, sure he is coming along as a song writer, let's let him grow as a true musician before we raise any steeples. It is so nice to pretend that there is a Beatles still, truth is only one has earned the right to be mentioned in the same sentence, Noel Gallagher.
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Post by Rain on Jan 16, 2005 7:22:23 GMT -5
Many people from the UK don't get Nirvana like many US people don't get Oasis or Paul Weller. Many here in US don't know Paul Weller or Oasis.
It doesn't matter how good you play the guitar or if you play proper rock. I notice most people in UK think it haves to be proper rock like the Beatles.Playing the guitar with big guitar solos, everyone in the band haves to dress certain way, and the leader singer doesn't scream in there songs.
Nirvana smashed their guitars and drums. Kurt screamed in his songs and everything wasn't techinal. It was raw and filled with emotion
Nirvana was about Punk rock and influnced by punk rock bands. What made Nirvana and Kurt Cobain so popular was emotions of Kurt's voice and the songs.
Kurt Cobain is a legend if you like it or not. He was up their with the greats like Lennon and Elvis
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