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Post by mossy on Sept 11, 2024 13:59:20 GMT -5
I recently saw someone post that they’d just seen the Supersonic documentary and that they were amazed at how poor mental health considerations were for musicians in the 90s and that Liam clearly has undiagnosed ADHD. I googled it and his son Gene has in fact been diagnosed with ADHD. It’s genetic, so if his son has it, then there’s definitely a chance Liam has it. His unfiltered tweets, outrageous interview comments, infidelity, need to immediately get back into the studio after every tour… it seems plausible huh? Made me think if he does have it and he (and Noel and Debbie) have a better understanding of it now after working through Gene’s diagnosis, it might help the band get on better this time around. Interesting thought anyway. Interview where Gene talks about it: www.thetimes.com/magazines/style-magazine/article/gene-gallagher-liam-interview-oasis-reunion-gd6rtvcnl#:~:text=Gallagher%20was%20diagnosed%20with%20ADHD,he%20struggled%20with%20his%20studies. Interview with Liam from the same time period: amp.theguardian.com/music/2017/jun/04/liam-gallagher-interview-rock-n-roll-saved-my-life-oasis-beady-eyeMary Anne Hobbs, DJ: Are you happy?Liam: Yeah, very happy. I’m happy as I could be. I’m a pretty happy-go-lucky guy. I don’t sit and dwell on things. I’m pretty fucking placid. I’m sure people wouldn’t believe that, but shit happens, I deal with it and then I move on. I think I’ve got ADHD, I like to keep moving, man. |
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Post by Marissa on Sept 11, 2024 14:53:03 GMT -5
I was thinking about this recently. As someone who is neurodivergent, I believe both Noel and Liam are likely autistic, or have severe childhood CPTSD that manifests as autistic-like symptoms (and science at this point can't prove whether it's one and the same). ADHD/autism are often comorbidities of each other also. The fork in a bottle of milk story, their obsession with the Beatles to the point of it being their identity, and their extremely blunt communication styles are all giveaways
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Post by thestylecouncil on Sept 11, 2024 15:10:42 GMT -5
Paul Gallagher says in his book that Liam was extremely hyperactive and couldn't stop talking as a child. That also made me think of ADHD.
Sadly mental health awareness was really poor back then, so that must be why no one really put their finger on the matter and I guess especially working class kids like Liam wouldn't have access to the right support systems (if there were even any in the first place)
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Post by resurrection89 on Sept 11, 2024 15:29:16 GMT -5
I recently got diagnosed with ADHD and it’s a blooming nightmare. There’s worse things to have of course so not moaning as such. Just find it very frustrating at times. At least Liam manages to finish things. I start a million things and never seem to finish any of them. Constant ideas, big buzz of motivation, followed by an inability to dot the I’s and cross the T’s. At least Liam is high functioning ADHD. Saying that I think most of us are on some sort of spectrum of something.
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Post by matt on Sept 11, 2024 16:58:42 GMT -5
Interesting observation, genuinely never thought of it that way. Always saw him as extremely eccentric but that rationale does potentially explain a lot.
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 12, 2024 2:37:10 GMT -5
Liam certainly can be highly anxious - I don't know to what extent it happens during the day, how long it lasts and whether it qualifies as generalized anxiety disorder.
Stories that he was on cocaine when he was on Graham Norton's show were always funny to me.
That was a very high level of anxiety.
They didn't tell him that after performing, he would also need to sit down and talk. The sudden change of environment, from the stage where he was emotionally drained, singing and sweating, to having to sit down, placed him in a uncomfortable positon, out of his comfort zone with people that he doesn't like
His anxiety peaked - he was sweating, fidgeting, couldn't calm down and had a constant urge to escape.
Anxiety can also often make it seem like the patient has other disorders, such as ADHD.
Often, during the first session with a psychiatrist, the patient is diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder and there's a question of whether he/she might have another disorders, like ADHD. Usually, it later turns out they don't and that the high anxiety and anxious behavioral patterns sometimes make it appear as if they do.
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Post by mossy on Sept 12, 2024 3:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by mossy on Sept 12, 2024 3:26:41 GMT -5
Anxiety can also often make it seem like the patient has other disorders, such as ADHD. I’m not convinced he has anxiety over ADHD. Anxiety can be a symptom of ADHD and ADHD is genetic. If a child is diagnosed, it is likely the parent has it. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 12, 2024 3:30:52 GMT -5
I recently got diagnosed with ADHD and it’s a blooming nightmare. There’s worse things to have of course so not moaning as such. Just find it very frustrating at times. At least Liam manages to finish things. I start a million things and never seem to finish any of them. Constant ideas, big buzz of motivation, followed by an inability to dot the I’s and cross the T’s. At least Liam is high functioning ADHD. Saying that I think most of us are on some sort of spectrum of something. How many gigs and tours has he not finished though 😃 All the best to you, getting diagnosed and having an understanding will surely help you manage it better. |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 12, 2024 3:44:18 GMT -5
Paul Gallagher says in his book that Liam was extremely hyperactive and couldn't stop talking as a child. My son is exactly that; never stops talking, like from wake up to bed at night. Very clever, needs to be occupied all the time and dont stand silences. Doing things calms him. But it needs to be challenging intellectually. What's weird is that me and the mother are complete opposite. we love silence, idling, but that can also be another sign of autism  Liam has ADHD and Noel is autistic, that's for sure. I dont think Liam is autistic though. i dont really believe in astrology, but noel being a Gemini, he has multiple personalities; I have few Geminies around, and they're all like that; A fuckin nightmare |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 12, 2024 3:47:59 GMT -5
Anxiety can also often make it seem like the patient has other disorders, such as ADHD. I’m not convinced he has anxiety over ADHD. Anxiety can be a symptom of ADHD and ADHD is genetic. If a child is diagnosed, it is likely the parent has it. yes, One leads to the other. ADHD leads to anxiety, because of the constant need to be reassured about the next thing. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 12, 2024 4:18:52 GMT -5
Not convinced Noel is autistic TBH.
I’ve known and worked with a few autistic people over the years. Noel doesn’t give me that vibe at all. Sure he likes his own company and shuns social media, but he’s very comfortable giving interviews. I don’t see the social awkwardness in him, which is one of the major autism traits.
Obviously I’m not an expert and have never met either of them though.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 12, 2024 5:09:57 GMT -5
Not convinced Noel is autistic TBH. I’ve known and worked with a few autistic people over the years. Noel doesn’t give me that vibe at all. Sure he likes his own company and shuns social media, but he’s very comfortable giving interviews. I don’t see the social awkwardness in him, which is one of the major autism traits. Obviously I’m not an expert and have never met either of them though. there can be something that's light autism. autistic people can be very friendly and sociable but people dont really understand them; I have a friend that was recently diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder. Its more the opposite, those people have a tendency to struggle to make very intimate connections, yet thrives in "futile" social situations. and he's more a people person than anyone else ! lots of friends, like countless, yet he is autistic; always looking for social events, etc... etc. I strongly believe Noel has that, maybe lighter though, its the same trait; Yet, as you said i could be totally wrong. |
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Post by dangerman on Sept 12, 2024 5:20:31 GMT -5
Not convinced Noel is autistic TBH. I’ve known and worked with a few autistic people over the years. Noel doesn’t give me that vibe at all. Sure he likes his own company and shuns social media, but he’s very comfortable giving interviews. I don’t see the social awkwardness in him, which is one of the major autism traits. Obviously I’m not an expert and have never met either of them though. Hard to draw a comparison between people you've actually worked with and someone you've never met and only know through their music and media appearances. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 12, 2024 5:50:17 GMT -5
Not convinced Noel is autistic TBH. I’ve known and worked with a few autistic people over the years. Noel doesn’t give me that vibe at all. Sure he likes his own company and shuns social media, but he’s very comfortable giving interviews. I don’t see the social awkwardness in him, which is one of the major autism traits. Obviously I’m not an expert and have never met either of them though. Hard to draw a comparison between people you've actually worked with and someone you've never met and only know through their music and media appearances. Hence my last sentence. I’ve seen all their faces and the way they speak though. Autistic people can definitely have subtle differences in their facial expressions and the way they speak. Neutral facial expressions and not smiling or laughing are common tells. I don’t see that at all with Noel. I think there’s a stronger case for Liam having ADHD than Noel having autism. Can’t say for sure with either obviously. |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 12, 2024 6:26:17 GMT -5
Hard to draw a comparison between people you've actually worked with and someone you've never met and only know through their music and media appearances. Hence my last sentence. I’ve seen all their faces and the way they speak though. Autistic people can definitely have subtle differences in their facial expressions and the way they speak. Neutral facial expressions and not smiling or laughing are common tells. I don’t see that at all with Noel. I think there’s a stronger case for Liam having ADHD than Noel having autism. Can’t say for sure with either obviously. I wouldn't be so sure. Look how fast he changed right after his divorce, its the old Noel back. He's obviously got many sides to him, he's not a one sided person, so he could really hide that autistic part of him; the abuse he had in his childhood could also explain it. The human brain is mysterious, and anything is possible, even a smiling autistic person. Fame also changes people a lot, so that maybe why he's at ease in interviews. NG is not a "regular" person, so i doubt regular medical diagnosis can apply. That's my diagnosis  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 12, 2024 6:35:26 GMT -5
Hence my last sentence. I’ve seen all their faces and the way they speak though. Autistic people can definitely have subtle differences in their facial expressions and the way they speak. Neutral facial expressions and not smiling or laughing are common tells. I don’t see that at all with Noel. I think there’s a stronger case for Liam having ADHD than Noel having autism. Can’t say for sure with either obviously. I wouldn't be so sure. Look how fast he changed right after his divorce, its the old Noel back. He's obviously got many sides to him, he's not a one sided person, so he could really hide that autistic part of him; the abuse he had in his childhood could also explain it. The human brain is mysterious, and anything is possible, even a smiling autistic person. Fame also changes people a lot, so that maybe why he's at ease in interviews. NG is not a "regular" person, so i doubt regular medical diagnosis can apply. That's my diagnosis I wouldn't say leaving an unhappy personal situation and then being happier is a sign of anything other than a change of circumstance. |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 12, 2024 7:26:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so sure. Look how fast he changed right after his divorce, its the old Noel back. He's obviously got many sides to him, he's not a one sided person, so he could really hide that autistic part of him; the abuse he had in his childhood could also explain it. The human brain is mysterious, and anything is possible, even a smiling autistic person. Fame also changes people a lot, so that maybe why he's at ease in interviews. NG is not a "regular" person, so i doubt regular medical diagnosis can apply. That's my diagnosis I wouldn't say leaving an unhappy personal situation and then being happier is a sign of anything other than a change of circumstance. I didn't say he was happier lately. I said changed. Like the Oasis Noel was slowly getting back in him; and i dont think the oasis noel was particularly happy. Noel also changed during his 20 years of marriage. As i said, the human brain is full of mysteries. The 2017 Noel is not the 2011 one, yet he was (apparently) still happily married in 2017. Of course change of circumstance can affect a person, more or less. but there's also the brain and how it functions that has an impact on how a person will handle change of circumstance. Its all a circle and who can say which influence which. To me he's got an antisocial side to him, always have. You dont spend hours alone in a room with a guitar if you are 100% social. Those people cant stand to stay 1 minute alone. He kinda admitted he'd rather spend hours strumming guitars than talking to people. |
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Post by Lundblad on Sept 12, 2024 7:51:19 GMT -5
I was watching Supersonic (the movie) the other day and my gf passed by and watched for a couple of minutes. Then she said that "he definitely has ADHD".
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Post by AllOrNothing on Sept 12, 2024 7:54:04 GMT -5
It's interesting to see this topic discussed because I was myself wondering the other day whether he had ADHD symptoms. I do think he's on that spectrum
EDIT: to add to the speculation, ADHD people are often drawn to substance use and abuse, I think we can safely say that Liam did have at one point in his life a small issue with those
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 12, 2024 8:03:26 GMT -5
Anxiety can also often make it seem like the patient has other disorders, such as ADHD. I’m not convinced he has anxiety over ADHD. Anxiety can be a symptom of ADHD and ADHD is genetic. If a child is diagnosed, it is likely the parent has it. My point is that sometimes something can seem like one thing but actually it is something else. If someone is anxious sometimes, it doesn't mean he/she has generalized anxiety disorder. If someone is occasionally depressed, it doesn't mean they have been diagnosed with clinical depression. If someone exhibits certain behavioral patterns that look like ADHD, it doesn't mean that person has ADHD. Even the best psychiatrists, psychologists and psychotherapists can't make diagnoses over the internet. Or at least they shouldn't. Liam definitely has certain issues but that doesn't mean he has a diagnosis. No matter how wild Liam seems sometimes, he's a millionaire and his wife seems like a reasonable, capable and caring person. If he has something like ADHD, GAD... a therapist would have found it already and the problem is being treated. Liam loves himself, don't worry. And this isn't the 90s where everything would be masked with drugs and alcohol. Liam is far more rational than people think and I don't believe there’s any chance that he's walking around with a mental disorder without being aware of it and not treating it. If something does exist, that's his business and I wish him all the best in his recovery. I don't see the point in diagnosing people over the internet, and even if we prove it’s true, then what? Sorry, I love you and all, but this is a pretty pointless thread. These are serious matters and cannot be diagnosed over the internet or based on small parts of his life that we can see through interviews, concerts... And even if they could be diagnosed, it still isn't our problem. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 12, 2024 8:07:03 GMT -5
I’m not convinced he has anxiety over ADHD. Anxiety can be a symptom of ADHD and ADHD is genetic. If a child is diagnosed, it is likely the parent has it. My point is that sometimes something can seem like one thing but actually it is something else. If someone is anxious sometimes, it doesn't mean he/she has generalized anxiety disorder. If someone is occasionally depressed, it doesn't mean they have been diagnosed with clinical depression. If someone exhibits certain behavioral patterns that look like ADHD, it doesn't mean that person has ADHD. Even the best psychiatrists, psychologists and psychotherapists can't make diagnoses over the internet. Or at least they shouldn't. Liam definitely has certain issues but that doesn't mean he has a diagnosis. No matter how wild Liam seems sometimes, he's a millionaire and his wife seems like a reasonable, capable and caring person. If he has something like ADHD, GAD... a therapist would have found it already and the problem is being treated. Liam loves himself, don't worry. And this isn't the 90s where everything would be masked with drugs and alcohol. Liam is far more rational than people think and I don't believe there’s any chance that he's walking around with a mental disorder without being aware of it and not treating it. If something does exist, that's his business and I wish him all the best in his recovery. I don't see the point in diagnosing people over the internet, and even if we prove it’s true, then what? Sorry, I love you and all, but this is a pretty pointless thread. These are serious matters and cannot be diagnosed over the internet or based on small parts of his life that we can see through interviews, concerts... And even if they could be diagnosed, it still isn't our problem. Did you even read my first post? I’m not trying to diagnose him over the internet 🤣 I’m not claiming to be an expert, I’ve just said it is a plausible possibility going by his own words and those of his son, who literally has a medical diagnosis for this genetic condition which gets inherited from parents. I’ll quote Liam directly again: “I think I’ve got ADHD.” If true, it just allows us fans to see one of our favourite musicians in a new light 🤷♂️ And gives me hope the band’s relationship will be better this time round and they can hold it together for a great tour and album. No criticism intended. |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 12, 2024 8:14:23 GMT -5
The fact that Liam writes half songs could also be an indication;
WHERE ARE THOSE CHORUSES YOU ADHD vagina.
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 12, 2024 12:24:21 GMT -5
My point is that sometimes something can seem like one thing but actually it is something else. If someone is anxious sometimes, it doesn't mean he/she has generalized anxiety disorder. If someone is occasionally depressed, it doesn't mean they have been diagnosed with clinical depression. If someone exhibits certain behavioral patterns that look like ADHD, it doesn't mean that person has ADHD. Even the best psychiatrists, psychologists and psychotherapists can't make diagnoses over the internet. Or at least they shouldn't. Liam definitely has certain issues but that doesn't mean he has a diagnosis. No matter how wild Liam seems sometimes, he's a millionaire and his wife seems like a reasonable, capable and caring person. If he has something like ADHD, GAD... a therapist would have found it already and the problem is being treated. Liam loves himself, don't worry. And this isn't the 90s where everything would be masked with drugs and alcohol. Liam is far more rational than people think and I don't believe there’s any chance that he's walking around with a mental disorder without being aware of it and not treating it. If something does exist, that's his business and I wish him all the best in his recovery. I don't see the point in diagnosing people over the internet, and even if we prove it’s true, then what? Sorry, I love you and all, but this is a pretty pointless thread. These are serious matters and cannot be diagnosed over the internet or based on small parts of his life that we can see through interviews, concerts... And even if they could be diagnosed, it still isn't our problem. Did you even read my first post? I’m not trying to diagnose him over the internet 🤣 I’m not claiming to be an expert, I’ve just said it is a plausible possibility going by his own words and those of his son, who literally has a medical diagnosis. I’ll quote Liam directly again: “I think I’ve got ADHD.” If true, it just allows us fans to see one of our favourite musicians in a new light 🤷♂️ And gives me hope the band’s relationship will be better this time round and they can hold it together for a great tour and album. No criticism intended. Well, yeah, but actually you do 😀 I mean, how do you think this thread can continue and that anything can be written on it without us playing psychiatrists and getting into diagnoses? You think that he has, this one thinks that he has, that one doesn’t think that he has ADHD... we all have to play psychiatrists and get into something that is a serious science. And since it's already such a thread where we are playing psychiatry, I have to say that: "I think I’ve got ADHD" is a sentence you're far more likely to hear from an anxious person than from someone with ADHD 😂 Anyway, I still think it's pointless to discuss someone's unconfirmed health condition. |
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Post by andymorris on Sept 12, 2024 12:48:33 GMT -5
Thing is Even brain doctors dont really know whats really going on up there
So us…
Maybe Liam is just an agitated moron
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