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Post by The Escapist on Sept 5, 2024 8:08:07 GMT -5
I've always been baffled by the positive feelings around Don't Believe the Truth.Okay, it sold well, albeit not the frantic 6-9 million-copies reports which emerged over the years. Okay, the tour was the most rollicking of the 2000's era, albeit not with a great deal of competition. Okay, it has "The Importance of Being Idle" on it, but does that make up for the filler still clogging up the arteries of the album like so much Beady-Eye cholesterol? I saw the album had a consistency to it which other post-2000 LPs, but it always stood squarely at the base of my rankings, duking it out with Heathen Chemistry as the band's least inspiring effort. Until now! Going back to this album in my post-reunion Oasis binge, the whole thing has finally clicked. Right from those twinkling guitars which open the first track, there's a crisp sense of freedom to this record; a light-hearted motion to it which sounds (for the firsy time post-'98) like the band are having fun being in Oasis. The cheekily retro flourishes which round out "Lyla" and "Let there be Love", the gorgeous piano break which bursts out of "Love Like a Bomb", the winter-wind harmonicas which make "Mucky Fingers" feel so fresh - even the fleet-footed rhythm which now seems so familiar from the High Flying Birds is a delight to hear from Oasis on "Part of the Queue". There's little that sounds laboured; the sense of a band struggling under the boulder of their own expectations, which characterises Standing on the Shoulders of Giants and Heathen Chemistry, is not here. Thank God! What stands out to me now is that Don't Believe the Truth is something of a pre-debut. It's the birth-before-the-birth of the more romantic, freewheeling melodic style which Noel would use for his solo career; he's finally found a new way of writing here, a second wind of his own talent which can carries him to perhaps his highest point since the glory years ("I sold my soul for the second time..."). Something else quite magical happens, though, more than Noel just finding his flow; somehow, after a decade as a millionaire, he manages to re-connect with the working-class spirit of his best work. The magic of Oasis, as matt said, was their ability to capture the core, tainted emotions of everyday life and combine them into something euphoric. Noel lost that after Morning Glory (even Be Here Now is noticeably the plainer work of a millionaire in celebration), but somehow, he finds it again here. His tracks for this album have all the heart-aching, sunlight-in-the-rain spirit which made his songs so special in the first place. Combine that with Liam hitting his stride in his own right, and even the other members bringing memorable tunes to the party, and you get the strongest case for Oasis ever being a democracy. Of course, there are issues. "Mucky Fingers" is a touch too slow and a touch too long. "Lyla" needs trimming in the first two choruses, to stop it clubbing you over the head with that hook. "Let there be Love" is in desperate need of a kick in energy. And both "The Meaning of Soul" and "A Bell Will Ring" are, to be kind, natural-born b-sides which should have been booted for stronger material like "Pass Me Down the Wine" or "Who Put the Weight of the World on my Shoulders?". So, this is the version of the album I put together for my own enjoyment: I must say, one of my favourite tracklist nonsenses I've ever done is adding two interludes of "Can You See it Now??". It fits beautifully, and creates such a cohesive feel when the liberating guitar riff returns for the second interlude, but this time with Noel's vocals calling out over it. "Pass Me Down the Wine" is a perfectly sun-splashed tune, again showing Liam at the peak of his powers, while "Weight of the World" gives the album an emotional weight towards the end. Some people will look out for "Eyeball Tickler", but while I do enjoy that tune, it feels too harsh for such a feel-good record as this - plus, I've had a sudden and inexplicable change of heart on "Mucky Fingers", so that's going nowhere! With these changes, Don't Believe the Truth is consistent, fun, and varied. Overall then, yeah, this album has resurrected from the dead in my estimation. Far from battling for being the worst of Oasis, it's now possibly the post-nineties work to give me the most enjoyment. Despite the flaws, it has the core DNA of what you want from a Gallagher album by 2005; a freshly-inspired guitar-pop record which comes with some attitude, some fun, some hits, and some variety. It's undoubtedly a minor work in their catalogue, but as a slice of later-Oasis, this album will now become my go-to for something outside the masterpieces they made in their prime. Can y'see it now?? I can see it now!!
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Post by The Chief on Sept 5, 2024 8:17:03 GMT -5
Great read! I agree with most of what you said. On my version, I've added Those Swollen Hand Blues at the end of Mucky Fingers and I can't listen to the record differently now. I'll have to try your track listing to see how it flows.
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 5, 2024 8:23:02 GMT -5
Great read! I agree with most of what you said. On my version, I've added Those Swollen Hand Blues at the end of Mucky Fingers and I can't listen to the record differently now. I'll have to try your track listing to see how it flows. It'd be fun to put it on YouTube, but I've never figured out how to do that. I'll send some cash to Dave Sardy for it, since he pushed for the singles to be included - this post would be very different without them!
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Sept 5, 2024 8:23:43 GMT -5
i actually listened to this the other day for the 1st time in years, the only thing i would change is take off TMOS for eyeball tickler and add stop the clocks (Liam vocal)
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Post by The Chief on Sept 5, 2024 8:24:57 GMT -5
Great read! I agree with most of what you said. On my version, I've added Those Swollen Hand Blues at the end of Mucky Fingers and I can't listen to the record differently now. I'll have to try your track listing to see how it flows. It'd be fun to put it on YouTube, but I've never figured out how to do that. I'll send some cash to Dave Sardy for it, since he pushed for the singles to be included - this post would be very different without them! It's already on YouTube!
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Post by The Chief on Sept 5, 2024 8:26:49 GMT -5
i actually listened to this the other day for the 1st time in years, the only thing i would change is take off TMOS for eyeball tickler and add stop the clocks (Liam vocal) I find Stop The Clocks boring so I disagree with you there but, although I prefer Eyeball Tickler to TMOS, I don't know if it would flow as well as TMOS. I would remove Keep The Dream Alive and delete it from any Oasis catalog. That song is shocking.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 5, 2024 8:27:19 GMT -5
Glad you've finally seen sense The Escapist I'll never forget going through the band's later albums for the first time - I liked SOTSOG and HC, don't get me wrong, but something about DBTT grabbed me and I've adored it ever since more than any other 00s album
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Sept 5, 2024 8:34:28 GMT -5
i actually listened to this the other day for the 1st time in years, the only thing i would change is take off TMOS for eyeball tickler and add stop the clocks (Liam vocal) I find Stop The Clocks boring so I disagree with you there but, although I prefer Eyeball Tickler to TMOS, I don't know if it would flow as well as TMOS. I would remove Keep The Dream Alive and delete it from any Oasis catalog. That song is shocking. my most hated shocking oasis song is the quiet ones its 100% pure dogshit
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Post by The Chief on Sept 5, 2024 8:40:52 GMT -5
I find Stop The Clocks boring so I disagree with you there but, although I prefer Eyeball Tickler to TMOS, I don't know if it would flow as well as TMOS. I would remove Keep The Dream Alive and delete it from any Oasis catalog. That song is shocking. my most hated shocking oasis song is the quiet ones its 100% pure dogshit It's not my favourite but at least it's a b-side, where Keep The Dream Alive should have been if it absolutely needed to be recorded.
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 5, 2024 8:41:16 GMT -5
(I quite enjoy "Keep the Dream Alive".)
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Post by glider on Sept 5, 2024 10:35:09 GMT -5
Sardy's lifeless mixes and brick wall mastering should be considered a war crime.
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Post by morning_rain on Sept 5, 2024 16:05:24 GMT -5
That was a very good read.
Always loved this album from start to finish. The whole DBTT era has a special charm to it.
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Sept 5, 2024 16:57:45 GMT -5
What I’ve always remembered about DBTT is that it made it ‘in’ to like Oasis again.
I got into them in 2002 when I was 5-6, and during the HC era the label they had amongst young kids was a band who weren’t bad, just somewhat past it. I took a good lot of stick for saying I loved Oasis at school.
But then Lyla came out, and suddenly everyone wanted this album. It also got my dad interested in them for the first time since 1997. So I’ve never had an issue with it. Turn Up The Sun, Part Of The Queue, Lyla, Love Like A Bomb, Importance Of Being Idle and Let There Be Love are all favourites of mine.
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Post by settingson on Sept 5, 2024 19:02:40 GMT -5
i actually listened to this the other day for the 1st time in years, the only thing i would change is take off TMOS for eyeball tickler and add stop the clocks (Liam vocal) I find Stop The Clocks boring so I disagree with you there but, although I prefer Eyeball Tickler to TMOS, I don't know if it would flow as well as TMOS. I would remove Keep The Dream Alive and delete it from any Oasis catalog. That song is shocking.
I'm sure you long time diehards here must have done a thread on the worst / "most delete-able" songs in the catalogue over the years.
Which songs tend to get the most dislike?
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Post by morning_rain on Sept 6, 2024 1:42:33 GMT -5
I find Stop The Clocks boring so I disagree with you there but, although I prefer Eyeball Tickler to TMOS, I don't know if it would flow as well as TMOS. I would remove Keep The Dream Alive and delete it from any Oasis catalog. That song is shocking. I'm sure you long time diehards here must have done a thread on the worst / "most delete-able" songs in the catalogue over the years.
Which songs tend to get the most dislike?
The one that usually top the "worst of" rankings is (Probably) All in the mind, although I don't mind that song. Others that tend to be disliked: I can see a liar, She is love, Little James, A Quick Peep, Get Off Your High Horse Lady, Magic Pie, The Quiet Ones, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is and Keep The Dream Alive. Don't agree with it, but after many years on this forum I know lots of people do. As for me the only song on their entire catalogue that I can't really listen is Thank You For The Good Times, hate that song.
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Post by settingson on Sept 6, 2024 5:14:14 GMT -5
I'm sure you long time diehards here must have done a thread on the worst / "most delete-able" songs in the catalogue over the years.
Which songs tend to get the most dislike?
The one that usually top the "worst of" rankings is (Probably) All in the mind, although I don't mind that song. Others that tend to be disliked: I can see a liar, She is love, Little James, A Quick Peep, Get Off Your High Horse Lady, Magic Pie, The Quiet Ones, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is and Keep The Dream Alive. Don't agree with it, but after many years on this forum I know lots of people do. As for me the only song on their entire catalogue that I can't really listen is Thank You For The Good Times, hate that song.
Yeah - difficult to disagree with any of those. "High Horse Lady" is a personal dislike of mine. Really messes up the great flow of DGOYS.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 6, 2024 6:22:53 GMT -5
I find Stop The Clocks boring so I disagree with you there but, although I prefer Eyeball Tickler to TMOS, I don't know if it would flow as well as TMOS. I would remove Keep The Dream Alive and delete it from any Oasis catalog. That song is shocking. I'm sure you long time diehards here must have done a thread on the worst / "most delete-able" songs in the catalogue over the years.
Which songs tend to get the most dislike?
To be fair, I seem to be one of the rare fans to hate (yes hate) Keep The Dream Alive. I don't want to derail the thread by explaining why here, I'm sure I've written a diatribe about it somewhere ha ha. But Andy's songs, in Oasis or Beady Eye, are always hit or miss for me. For example, I love Turn up the Sun.
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 6, 2024 8:03:37 GMT -5
This album has a special place in my heart as it was the first album they released after I got into Oasis. I witnessed all those vibes pre-,during and post release on this forum. It was truly a great time to be an Oasis fan.
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Post by jh on Sept 6, 2024 8:18:10 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun - Is and will always be an absolute monster of a tune. It is up there with FOTF for a live opener with 100% Liam attitude
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Sept 6, 2024 8:38:38 GMT -5
I listened to this album last night. What a gem it is. Probably my third favorite Oasis album. Cool to see others giving it appreciation.
Compared to the albums that surround it, this one is more well rounded and the LAG songs are better than the LAG songs on Dig Out Your Soul.
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Post by The Chief on Sept 6, 2024 9:57:27 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun - Is and will always be an absolute monster of a tune. It is up there with FOTF for a live opener with 100% Liam attitude FOTF?
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Post by jh on Sept 6, 2024 9:58:02 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun - Is and will always be an absolute monster of a tune. It is up there with FOTF for a live opener with 100% Liam attitude FOTF? Nope I mean FLW - Long week at work
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Post by The Chief on Sept 6, 2024 10:11:21 GMT -5
Nope I mean FLW - Long week at work Ahh that makes more sense ha ha ha!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2024 13:10:40 GMT -5
I've always been baffled by the positive feelings around Don't Believe the Truth.Okay, it sold well, albeit not the frantic 6-9 million-copies reports which emerged over the years. Okay, the tour was the most rollicking of the 2000's era, albeit not with a great deal of competition. Okay, it has "The Importance of Being Idle" on it, but does that make up for the filler still clogging up the arteries of the album like so much Beady-Eye cholesterol? I saw the album had a consistency to it which other post-2000 LPs, but it always stood squarely at the base of my rankings, duking it out with Heathen Chemistry as the band's least inspiring effort. Until now! Going back to this album in my post-reunion Oasis binge, the whole thing has finally clicked. Right from those twinkling guitars which open the first track, there's a crisp sense of freedom to this record; a light-hearted motion to it which sounds (for the firsy time post-'98) like the band are having fun being in Oasis. The cheekily retro flourishes which round out "Lyla" and "Let there be Love", the gorgeous piano break which bursts out of "Love Like a Bomb", the winter-wind harmonicas which make "Mucky Fingers" feel so fresh - even the fleet-footed rhythm which now seems so familiar from the High Flying Birds is a delight to hear from Oasis on "Part of the Queue". There's little that sounds laboured; the sense of a band struggling under the boulder of their own expectations, which characterises Standing on the Shoulders of Giants and Heathen Chemistry, is not here. Thank God! What stands out to me now is that Don't Believe the Truth is something of a pre-debut. It's the birth-before-the-birth of the more romantic, freewheeling melodic style which Noel would use for his solo career; he's finally found a new way of writing here, a second wind of his own talent which can carries him to perhaps his highest point since the glory years ("I sold my soul for the second time..."). Something else quite magical happens, though, more than Noel just finding his flow; somehow, after a decade as a millionaire, he manages to re-connect with the working-class spirit of his best work. The magic of Oasis, as matt said, was their ability to capture the core, tainted emotions of everyday life and combine them into something euphoric. Noel lost that after Morning Glory (even Be Here Now is noticeably the plainer work of a millionaire in celebration), but somehow, he finds it again here. His tracks for this album have all the heart-aching, sunlight-in-the-rain spirit which made his songs so special in the first place. Combine that with Liam hitting his stride in his own right, and even the other members bringing memorable tunes to the party, and you get the strongest case for Oasis ever being a democracy. Of course, there are issues. "Mucky Fingers" is a touch too slow and a touch too long. "Lyla" needs trimming in the first two choruses, to stop it clubbing you over the head with that hook. "Let there be Love" is in desperate need of a kick in energy. And both "The Meaning of Soul" and "A Bell Will Ring" are, to be kind, natural-born b-sides which should have been booted for stronger material like "Pass Me Down the Wine" or "Who Put the Weight of the World on my Shoulders?". So, this is the version of the album I put together for my own enjoyment: I must say, one of my favourite tracklist nonsenses I've ever done is adding two interludes of "Can You See it Now??". It fits beautifully, and creates such a cohesive feel when the liberating guitar riff returns for the second interlude, but this time with Noel's vocals calling out over it. "Pass Me Down the Wine" is a perfectly sun-splashed tune, again showing Liam at the peak of his powers, while "Weight of the World" gives the album an emotional weight towards the end. Some people will look out for "Eyeball Tickler", but while I do enjoy that tune, it feels too harsh for such a feel-good record as this - plus, I've had a sudden and inexplicable change of heart on "Mucky Fingers", so that's going nowhere! With these changes, Don't Believe the Truth is consistent, fun, and varied. Overall then, yeah, this album has resurrected from the dead in my estimation. Far from battling for being the worst of Oasis, it's now possibly the post-nineties work to give me the most enjoyment. Despite the flaws, it has the core DNA of what you want from a Gallagher album by 2005; a freshly-inspired guitar-pop record which comes with some attitude, some fun, some hits, and some variety. It's undoubtedly a minor work in their catalogue, but as a slice of later-Oasis, this album will now become my go-to for something outside the masterpieces they made in their prime. Can y'see it now?? I can see it now!! I think having all that being said DBTT ends up right where it always was, it’s a lot better than HC but doesn’t have the sonic highs of SOTSOG or the song highs of SOTSOG and DOYS. There are a ton of flaws with DBTT. Some odd production choices, especially with Liam vocals on songs like Love Like A Bomb, The Meaning of Soul and Keep The Dream Alive. Album had a Frankenstein feels because of the 3-4 times it was recorded and then Noel adding last minute songs to give the album commercial appeal in Lyla and Idle. The sad part is no post 2000 Oasis album is anywhere near their glory days and the amount of filler that made the LPs is shocking especially with rock solid songs being wasted as b-sides when at this point in the Oasis story they needed the best player on the pitch. I’ll give DBTT this distinction, the vibes around the band and reviews were really really strong. It was cool to like Oasis again after an awkward 2000-2002 period of backlash.
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Post by GIMH on Sept 6, 2024 13:46:41 GMT -5
I think it’s a great album. Listening to it right now. 4th best, with the first three holding gold, silver and bronze.
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