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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Dec 6, 2017 6:43:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 11:37:02 GMT -5
2017wrapped.com/I got a playlist "Your top songs 2017" and it included Holy Mountain. What the fuck . Haha, was the same for me. But I don't dislike it anymore though. I started listening to the playlist while I was driving and I was singing along Holy Mountain thinking "do I actually like this song or not?" Fucking independence day. I went to work thinking I'll finish my job at 6:30am but no, I had different delivery route and I was finished at 9:30am. If I had known it, I would've packed something to eat at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:52:12 GMT -5
Over 1000 right wing bastards marching in Helsinki. Lots of neo-nazis in that group...
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 6, 2017 13:31:29 GMT -5
Over 1000 right wing bastards marching in Helsinki. Lots of neo-nazis in that group... The morality of anti-fascist violence is a big split in modern anarchist thought. Is it ok to violently stop these people - who are advocates of white nationalism and racism - from gathering and spreading fear in the community? I'm a pacifist by nature so I'd be more inclined to say no, but there's certainly good arguments on both sides. This video from my girl Contra shows both sides of thought in a pretty non-biased way:
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Post by funhouse on Dec 6, 2017 13:39:02 GMT -5
Over 1000 right wing bastards marching in Helsinki. Lots of neo-nazis in that group... The morality of anti-fascist violence is a big split in modern anarchist thought. Is it ok to violently stop these people - who are advocates of white nationalism and racism - from gathering and spreading fear in the community? I'm a pacifist by nature so I'd be more inclined to say no, but there's certainly good arguments on both sides. This video from my girl Contra shows both sides of thought in a pretty non-biased way: I really struggle to see how any form of violence can be anything other than conter productive. With that said I haven't watched the video, but she will probably have to say something really smart to make me reconsider.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 13:47:06 GMT -5
Over 1000 right wing bastards marching in Helsinki. Lots of neo-nazis in that group... The morality of anti-fascist violence is a big split in modern anarchist thought. Is it ok to violently stop these people - who are advocates of white nationalism and racism - from gathering and spreading fear in the community? I'm a pacifist by nature so I'd be more inclined to say no, but there's certainly good arguments on both sides. This video from my girl Contra shows both sides of thought in a pretty non-biased way: These events are good entertainment. It's basically nazis vs. anarchists. As long as any civils don't get hurt I don't really mind them fighting. I haven't followed the event very closely but I've already read anarchists throwing eggs towards the right wing march Okay, I should add that I don't mind small fighting but if it gets serious like people get hospitalised or worse, then I'm against it.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 6, 2017 13:56:27 GMT -5
The morality of anti-fascist violence is a big split in modern anarchist thought. Is it ok to violently stop these people - who are advocates of white nationalism and racism - from gathering and spreading fear in the community? I'm a pacifist by nature so I'd be more inclined to say no, but there's certainly good arguments on both sides. This video from my girl Contra shows both sides of thought in a pretty non-biased way: These events are good entertainment. It's basically nazis vs. anarchists. As long as any civils don't get hurt I don't really mind them fighting. I haven't followed the event very closely but I've already read anarchists throwing eggs towards the right wing march Okay, I should add that I don't mind small fighting but if it gets serious like people get hospitalised or worse, then I'm against it. Yeah, I think I agree. Punching people who advocate fascism and/or genocide when they try and spread their fear into your community I think is probably justified, although it would be too against my nature to do it myself. Like you say, though, nothing too grievous.
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Post by funhouse on Dec 6, 2017 14:01:54 GMT -5
Apart from the question if it is defensible to punch someone just because that person has loathsome values, I think the most relevant question is whether it helps or not. Will the number of nazis reduce if they have to face physical opposition from time to time? Will the public be less likely to sympathise with nazis if they are being punched?
I don't think it helps at all, and justifying violence, even if it's "just" a slap in the face, is peeking into a Pandora's box that should never ever be opened.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 6, 2017 14:11:53 GMT -5
Apart from the question if it is defensible to punch someone just because that person has loathsome values, I think the most relevant question is whether it helps or not. Will the number of nazis reduce if they have to face physical opposition from time to time? Will the public be less likely to sympathise with nazis if they are being punched? I don't think it helps at all, and justifying violence, even if it's "just" a slap in the face, is peeking into a Pandora's box that should never ever be opened. I think the point for a lot of anti-fascists is that it's not just their views, it's that they're gathering to try and spread those views, which often deny certain people the right to existence. They see it as a kind of self-defence from the people that fascists would like to remove from society, one way or another. I think your questions are interesting, though. For antifa, they think that violence is the only way to deal with fascists - these people can't be reasoned with, we shouldn't give them the privilege of equal debating stance sort of thing. On the other hand, Chomsky says that if you make it about violence the fascists will win because that's what they're good at, and that antifa is a major gift to the right. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with Chomsky. I do think violence would be justified in the case of a class war, though, as long as peaceful collectivisation had been at least attempted first.
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 6, 2017 14:34:19 GMT -5
Once idiot, always idiot, never ending bloody idiot.
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Post by funhouse on Dec 6, 2017 14:41:14 GMT -5
Apart from the question if it is defensible to punch someone just because that person has loathsome values, I think the most relevant question is whether it helps or not. Will the number of nazis reduce if they have to face physical opposition from time to time? Will the public be less likely to sympathise with nazis if they are being punched? I don't think it helps at all, and justifying violence, even if it's "just" a slap in the face, is peeking into a Pandora's box that should never ever be opened. I think the point for a lot of anti-fascists is that it's not just their views, it's that they're gathering to try and spread those views, which often deny certain people the right to existence. They see it as a kind of self-defence from the people that fascists would like to remove from society, one way or another. I think your questions are interesting, though. For antifa, they think that violence is the only way to deal with fascists - these people can't be reasoned with, we shouldn't give them the privilege of equal debating stance sort of thing. On the other hand, Chomsky says that if you make it about violence the fascists will win because that's what they're good at, and that antifa is a major gift to the right. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with Chomsky. I do think violence would be justified in the case of a class war, though, as long as peaceful collectivisation had been at least attempted first. It's a good thing then that there are other ways of opposing fascism. Facts and information are key, because they always prove the fascists wrong. In a more direct way, protesting is a good way of showing that the fascists are outnumbered and unwanted, and that the groups of people that they are opposing will be protected. These pro violence leftists make it seem like it's either violence or letting the other side walk all over you, but they're simply wrong. I couldn't agree more with his arguments. If it's not done in self defence, it is as hypocritical of a liberal/anti-fascist to commit violence, as it would be for a nazi to marry a Jewish woman. Ok, maybe the scenarios are not completely equivalent, but my point is that it is simply not defensible, and wildly counter productive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 15:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 6, 2017 15:46:36 GMT -5
Damn
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 6, 2017 16:09:08 GMT -5
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Post by funhouse on Dec 6, 2017 16:33:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 18:12:30 GMT -5
I have work tonight but not tomorrow. Just got a message from work that one newspaper which has weekly release is being delivered tomorrow instead of tonight. Okay, I lose 15€ but it'll also make my work at least 45min shorter, and to be honest I prefer it this way
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2017 0:10:38 GMT -5
I’m not going to hit 30,000 posts until around the year 2020. But it will ruddy bloody happen.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2017 1:10:44 GMT -5
bowlintothefray is a fucking coconut stall, Dyer know what I mean?
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 7, 2017 2:32:35 GMT -5
So many anger, so many hates and so many narrowmind behind the keyboards.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Dec 7, 2017 4:10:17 GMT -5
Necrobutcher rant
Warning: Language and Germany sucks
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Post by akaidleroses on Dec 7, 2017 6:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Dec 7, 2017 7:20:04 GMT -5
lol
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Post by mossy on Dec 7, 2017 11:04:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 14:40:59 GMT -5
H-36 before my IELTS test (big English Test). I'm a bit nervous but I hope everything will be okay.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 7, 2017 15:02:32 GMT -5
We do proper equine therapy every Tuesday and Thursday morning - I never thought I would say this but it’s actually really fucking cool. What is happening to me? lol Elie De Beaufour 🐴
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