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Post by andymorris on Mar 30, 2024 7:33:19 GMT -5
DM remixed just like the beatles records.
First versions as bonus
Take my money
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 30, 2024 9:49:51 GMT -5
The archive is clearly all over the shop: “Tom: What’s the band’s archive like? Because obviously you started there and had complete co-operation. Is it in good shape? Mat: It’s utterly chaotic, as you’d imagine. It’s er… well, having said that it’s in better shape now, because there’s one of our researchers – a guy called Martyn James. He’d been brought in by Ignition a couple of years ago to update everything while they were doing the Chasing the Sun reissues. So he was starting to piece it together, and then we inherited him from there. Oasis’s management company Ignition recommended him and he was brilliant. He’s an absolute obsessive and loves the band.“ www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=1952We have so much from the DM era anyway that it’s hard for them to give us much new. I’d like proper releases of the Eden Studios version and whatever is there from Monnow Valley. Almost all the gigs were bootlegged so I doubt we’re going to get any amazing new performances but an official release of Nagoya would be nice. Might as well give us the Liam sung Sad Song as well. The Stones covers would be nice if they exist. Morning Glory could be a different story. There’s a Liam sung Step Out. But I would love a 2025 remix of that album as a bonus disc because sonically it’s a mess. Just curious why you think its a sonic mess? Personally, there's nothing I'd change about the sound of that album, even the ragged recordings (e.g. Some Might Say) are the better for it giving the album a raw edge compared to other mainstream contemporaries. It's the one thing I'm glad Noel wasn't producing by himself as he's often complained about the sound of Morning Glory. Hearing his UNKLE collaboration for the reworked Cast No Shadow from 2005, it's fairly lifeless, overproduced and lacks the freshness of the original version. No Liam vocal doesn't help but the drums weigh the song down and there's none of the acoustic guitar flourishes that light up the album version. It’s a bit noisy and tinny. I’d be advocating keeping the brick walling but maybe reduce a small bit of treble. I think the recordings are actually good. Champagne Supernova, DLBIA, and Wonderwall show that. But it’s just messy. I think make it sound a bit more like Definitely Maybe. I don’t think drastic changes are needed. Just bring out a few more dynamics in the recordings that are clearly there. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 30, 2024 13:11:02 GMT -5
Just a bit of fun challenge I set myself. It didn't quite turn out as well as I'd hoped but I still thought I'd share it as others here might like it. Unfortunately the white background of the forum doesn't allow you to discern quite where the outer frame is but viewing it another tab will fix it. If I were to go back to it I'd make all the white frames a touch slimmer.  I really love this and think it's great. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 30, 2024 13:20:50 GMT -5
Get ready for the color variant vinyls!!!! Let's hope not. They should give us something different. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 30, 2024 13:21:48 GMT -5
Get ready for the color variant vinyls!!!! Let's hope not. They should give us something different. Well we will definitely get a pearl coloured vinyl but hopefully there’ll be something new too. |
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Post by halftheworldaway91 on Mar 30, 2024 13:23:11 GMT -5
Noel never disappoints the Oasis fanbase. Keep the faith dudes.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 30, 2024 13:26:52 GMT -5
Let's hope not. They should give us something different. Well we will definitely get a pearl coloured vinyl but hopefully there’ll be something new too. You could be right but I'll save my money if it is that. However, I'll buy any unreleased live concerts though if they give us any which haven't been released before. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 30, 2024 13:35:01 GMT -5
Well we will definitely get a pearl coloured vinyl but hopefully there’ll be something new too. You could be right but I'll save my money if it is that. However, I'll buy any unreleased live concerts though if they give us any which haven't been released before. 94-95 is so heavily bootlegged that I doubt there’s much brand new there. But an official release of something like Nagoya or Chicago Metro would be great. The 1995 gigs are great too like Southend and Sheffield but Morning Glory songs start to creep in there. One of the 94 gigs would also fit nicely on a CD. I think. And hope. They leave the b-sides off this time. There’s no need. Basically, from the Chasing the Sun stuff we should only be getting Disc 1. Any subsequent discs should be never before released (officially) stuff. |
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 30, 2024 13:47:14 GMT -5
You could be right but I'll save my money if it is that. However, I'll buy any unreleased live concerts though if they give us any which haven't been released before. 94-95 is so heavily bootlegged that I doubt there’s much brand new there. But an official release of something like Nagoya or Chicago Metro would be great. The 1995 gigs are great too like Southend and Sheffield but Morning Glory songs start to creep in there. One of the 94 gigs would also fit nicely on a CD. I think. And hope. They leave the b-sides off this time. There’s no need. Basically, from the Chasing the Sun stuff we should only be getting Disc 1. Any subsequent discs should be never before released (officially) stuff. You're right about the 94-95 stuff being heavily bootlegged but it would be nice to have something released in better quality if they released any of those gigs. But like you say the Nagoya or the Chicago Metro gigs (or one of them) would be nice. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 30, 2024 13:59:05 GMT -5
Actually, what Peter Jackson achieved with Get Back actually opens all sorts of possibilities for live gigs.
Oasis gigs might take a few more years because of how noisy everything is but the ability to take a single track and separate out all the instruments could be a game changer. Just listen to the 2023 stereo mixes of the first few songs on the red album. And then go back and listen to the 2009 mixes. Night and day. That’s a far better use of AI than getting a fake AI Liam Gallagher singing If I Had a Gun
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 30, 2024 14:10:10 GMT -5
Personally I hope we don't get any live performances. There's more than enough of that out there already.
Hasn't Noel or someone close to the band already mentioned something about alternative studio takes? I'm not sure how interesting that would be. It could potentially be something a bit like what Nirvana & Steve Albini did for In Utero's 20th anniversary. I could see something like that happening with some outtake being used for the album artwork.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Mar 30, 2024 15:19:39 GMT -5
Unless there’s unreleased new songs — which is 99.9% unlikely — I don’t think I’ll be buying the album again. Already have a few times.
These reissues, anthologies / box sets that bands do always have pre-Final mixes and demos on them, which are “interesting” but I seem to never go back and listen to them. Unless we’re talking the Hindu Times, I’ve always seemed to prefer the final versions with Oasis.
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Post by NicOasis on Mar 30, 2024 15:48:55 GMT -5
More takes of Columbia are needed!!
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Post by glider on Mar 30, 2024 16:07:04 GMT -5
The archive is clearly all over the shop: “Tom: What’s the band’s archive like? Because obviously you started there and had complete co-operation. Is it in good shape? Mat: It’s utterly chaotic, as you’d imagine. It’s er… well, having said that it’s in better shape now, because there’s one of our researchers – a guy called Martyn James. He’d been brought in by Ignition a couple of years ago to update everything while they were doing the Chasing the Sun reissues. So he was starting to piece it together, and then we inherited him from there. Oasis’s management company Ignition recommended him and he was brilliant. He’s an absolute obsessive and loves the band.“ www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=1952We have so much from the DM era anyway that it’s hard for them to give us much new. I’d like proper releases of the Eden Studios version and whatever is there from Monnow Valley. Almost all the gigs were bootlegged so I doubt we’re going to get any amazing new performances but an official release of Nagoya would be nice. Might as well give us the Liam sung Sad Song as well. The Stones covers would be nice if they exist. Morning Glory could be a different story. There’s a Liam sung Step Out. But I would love a 2025 remix of that album as a bonus disc because sonically it’s a mess. Just curious why you think its a sonic mess? Personally, there's nothing I'd change about the sound of that album, even the ragged recordings (e.g. Some Might Say) are the better for it giving the album a raw edge compared to other mainstream contemporaries. It's the one thing I'm glad Noel wasn't producing by himself as he's often complained about the sound of Morning Glory. Hearing his UNKLE collaboration for the reworked Cast No Shadow from 2005, it's fairly lifeless, overproduced and lacks the freshness of the original version. No Liam vocal doesn't help but the drums weigh the song down and there's none of the acoustic guitar flourishes that light up the album version. I'd like to hear a brand new Atmos mix. Something moreso along the lines of an updated SACD 5.1 mix. |
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Post by jezza2 on Mar 30, 2024 19:27:15 GMT -5
Can never have too many live performances  |
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Post by mattcox048 on Mar 30, 2024 20:04:25 GMT -5
Three things I'd like to see:
- New mix of the album, assisted by AI. I know they got the best mix out of the dud sessions they could at the time, but it still sounds like arse.
- Remastered versions of the early demos, e.g. Colour My Life
- New mix of the best gig they could find (not necessarily the most famous like Knebworth was)
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Post by andymorris on Mar 31, 2024 1:27:15 GMT -5
It could sound still huge and "94" without the compression and brick walling. Its a fine line but its doable. They just need a tight mix and not spread instruments too much. Keep them close to the vocals.
There's records from that era with the same kind of production - heavy guitars, drums drowned in reverb - (The Pumpkins Gish or Siamese dream) that sound huge without that much compression.
Same goes for MG. Some Might Say is just horrible
Those two records could have a new life with these reissues, if done right. Of course its Oasis, so it wont happen.
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Post by tiger40 on Mar 31, 2024 12:19:02 GMT -5
Three things I'd like to see: - New mix of the album, assisted by AI. I know they got the best mix out of the dud sessions they could at the time, but it still sounds like arse. - Remastered versions of the early demos, e.g. Colour My Life - New mix of the best gig they could find (not necessarily the most famous like Knebworth was) No just no, I don't want any official Oasis releases to be assisted by AI thankyou very much. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 31, 2024 13:34:12 GMT -5
Three things I'd like to see: - New mix of the album, assisted by AI. I know they got the best mix out of the dud sessions they could at the time, but it still sounds like arse. - Remastered versions of the early demos, e.g. Colour My Life - New mix of the best gig they could find (not necessarily the most famous like Knebworth was) No just no, I don't want any official Oasis releases to be assisted by AI thankyou very much. Look into how Peter Jackson has used AI with the Beatles. It’s more machine learning than generative AI. The AI is just separating the instruments. It’s not generative AI to create something new. Or shit like Ringo Starr singing Wonderwall. |
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 1, 2024 12:11:55 GMT -5
No just no, I don't want any official Oasis releases to be assisted by AI thankyou very much. Look into how Peter Jackson has used AI with the Beatles. It’s more machine learning than generative AI. The AI is just separating the instruments. It’s not generative AI to create something new. Or shit like Ringo Starr singing Wonderwall. I just don't care for AI and it just can't be the same as the real thing. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Apr 1, 2024 13:08:45 GMT -5
Look into how Peter Jackson has used AI with the Beatles. It’s more machine learning than generative AI. The AI is just separating the instruments. It’s not generative AI to create something new. Or shit like Ringo Starr singing Wonderwall. I just don't care for AI and it just can't be the same as the real thing. You’re not understanding what’s going on here. It’s not creating anything new. The machine learns what it is listening to so it’s able to separate a vocal track from a guitar track in a track where they’ve been mixed together. It’s not creating anything, just separating stuff out. Again, listen to the 2023 Love Me Do and then listen to the 2009 version to see the difference. The AI that you dislike (and I do too) is that rubbish where they have Liam singing Noel solo tunes, that’s bobbins and fake. |
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Post by dazed on Apr 1, 2024 14:07:17 GMT -5
Look into how Peter Jackson has used AI with the Beatles. It’s more machine learning than generative AI. The AI is just separating the instruments. It’s not generative AI to create something new. Or shit like Ringo Starr singing Wonderwall. I just don't care for AI and it just can't be the same as the real thing. You need to read what he just said again. |
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Post by standonit on Apr 1, 2024 15:33:18 GMT -5
AI in Get Back or the remixed Revolver is creating something new – it has to. e.g. to isolate an individual guitar when there are other guitars on the same source occupying the same frequency range, it essentially has to isolate what it can but also fill in the gaps in what it ends up with.
It might be close to perfect and sound very like what was recorded coming out of the amplifier on the day, but the AI model has had to create some of the information itself. It's obviously not in the same category as having it create a different singer for a song, but it's also not entirely "real".
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 1, 2024 19:07:14 GMT -5
It would be really cool if the 1993 Boardwalk version of All Around The World was included in it’s entirety.
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Post by welshylad on Apr 2, 2024 3:43:33 GMT -5
It would be really cool if the 1993 Boardwalk version of All Around The World was included in it’s entirety. Yeh that's the kinda thing that would impress me tbh, complete tapes from the boardwalk, something like that |
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